FRP owed to the Knicks

[theBigLip]

2024 first round draft pick to New York
Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

So when do you think it will convey? I wonder when New York thinks it will? And is there a simple trade for us to get it back?

I’d like for us to get it back so we have more flexibility to make a bigger trade. Trying to figure out a pupu platter that the Knicks would take from us or a salary they could dump on us.

Since there is a chance it converts to a second, I’d think NY would be interested in making a deal.

[MotownMadness]

Voted 25 but i meant 26

[Canadafan]

I believe it's likely to convey in the 2025draft.
I'd also prefer we just get it outta the way and trade with them to get it back.
The obvious deal would revolve around Fournier since they aren't going to use him in their rotation.
Wiseman+Burks gives them something to uwlse possibly and they're both expiring.
Putting Bagley in instead of Wiseman gives them a better player but a non expiring contract.
Bojan for Fournier and the 1st gives them the best player out of all of them and he's still basically expiring.
The first option is best for us to reduce our glut
I dunno, I'd sure love to make something not sure how excited Knicks are to do any of these moves

[vege]

If Weaver continue to be our GM, probably it turn into 2nds but I think (and hope) he will be fired before that.

[mattao313]

Didn't we trade this pick to draft Stewart? Smh lmao

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[theBigLip]

Didn't we trade this pick to draft Stewart? Smh lmao

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Yup. I got abused a long time ago and asked what we got for that pick If he doesn’t learn to shoot 3s, we pretty much got a backup 5 for a first rounder.

[mattao313]

Didn't we trade this pick to draft Stewart? Smh lmao

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Yup. I got abused a long time ago and asked what we got for that pick If he doesn’t learn to shoot 3s, we pretty much got a backup 5 for a first rounder.

Really bad value and we tie up our 1st because of a guy that give the production of a min salary C.

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[vege]

We traded a lot more than just this 1st for Stewart. Even if he was a decent player, which he isn't, it would've been a bad trade.

[bstein14]

Didn't we trade this pick to draft Stewart? Smh lmao

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Yup. I got abused a long time ago and asked what we got for that pick If he doesn’t learn to shoot 3s, we pretty much got a backup 5 for a first rounder.

Really bad value and we tie up our 1st because of a guy that give the production of a min salary C.

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Getting a solid backup rotation player for a mid (not lottery) first round pick isn't bad. Stew has been fine for where he was drafted. Whether or not we end up giving up a better pick is TBD and whether or not he lives up to that contract he just signed is TBD.

[mattao313]

Yup. I got abused a long time ago and asked what we got for that pick If he doesn’t learn to shoot 3s, we pretty much got a backup 5 for a first rounder.

Really bad value and we tie up our 1st because of a guy that give the production of a min salary C.

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Getting a solid backup rotation player for a mid (not lottery) first round pick isn't bad. Stew has been fine for where he was drafted. Whether or not we end up giving up a better pick is TBD and whether or not he lives up to that contract he just signed is TBD.

Uhmm no if your drafting at that range you ain't looking to get a low end C. Busts happen but guys like Stewart aren't valuable in the slightest. He was a reach then and is a bad contract now. He'll have to really improve to actually be worthwhile.

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[bstein14]

Really bad value and we tie up our 1st because of a guy that give the production of a min salary C.

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Getting a solid backup rotation player for a mid (not lottery) first round pick isn't bad. Stew has been fine for where he was drafted. Whether or not we end up giving up a better pick is TBD and whether or not he lives up to that contract he just signed is TBD.

Uhmm no if your drafting at that range you ain't looking to get a low end C. Busts happen but guys like Stewart aren't valuable in the slightest. He was a reach then and is a bad contract now. He'll have to really improve to actually be worthwhile.

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Lots of guys drafted 15-20 don't even make it 8 years in the league. Getting an actual solid rotation player from that spot is a decent pick. Looking back at drafts from 8, 9, 10 years ago its pretty much a 50/50 chance at being an 8 year player in this league in the 15-19 spots.

Sekou @ 15
Henry Ellenson @ 18
Austin Daye @ 15
Rodney Stuckey @ 15 (10 year career mostly as a rotation player)

[Snakebites]

I’d love to see us lose it this year or next.

That progress would be worth more than the mid level prospect it would cost us.

No way we lose it this year even if the rebuild is a huge success. Top 12 isn’t realistic.

[SuperBad]

He was pick 16#, that’s usually just a good back up, that was a pretty bad draft. I think it was a solid trade, we needed to jump start the rebuild. I always viewed that group of Killian, Stew, and Saddiq as good back ups, all of them, we just got them first and gathered the high end talent next. Weaver hoped to hit a home run with one, but really they were all pretty sure bets to make the league, and be solid rotation players. If you go back five years after most drafts and look where they’re at, it’s crazy what draft picks are worth really. If each team has 10 players multiplied by 30 teams that’s 300 rotation players, but really there’s probably 75 players in those 300 that don’t play much, than every season there are 30 new ones with guaranteed contracts, they basically have four seasons to find a spot, if not there very likely end of rotation player on the fringe of the g league, or out of the league if they don’t have a good attitude. The top 7 picks are pretty much solid, it’s like 16% odds there better than a good back up after that.

[Mr Peanut]

I was being hopeful and voted 2025 although it could well be 2026.

I think the initial trade was a bit of a rookie move by Weaver. He clearly wanted Stewart, and the protections he put on our first rounder he probably thought were ideal as it prevented it from being conveyed as a high lottery pick, but the downside he may not have anticipated is the amount of years that it has and will tie our pick up and prevent it from being used in a bigger trade.

[whitehops]

it would be awesome if it were next year but we'd have to be a playoff team (or the best play-in team to lose) for it to convey. definitely possible with internal growth but there's a lot of roster spots to fill next off season so who knows what acquisitions we make.

i'd say 2026 is more realistic, especially with the lower protection.

[NYPiston]

If that thing doesn't convey by 2025, this rebuild is a disaster. With the young players 2 more years experienced by then and all this cap space Weaver has to use, if they aren't at least a middle of the pack team by then end of 2025 then what's the point of all of this?

[theBigLip]

He was pick 16#, that’s usually just a good back up, that was a pretty bad draft. I think it was a solid trade, we needed to jump start the rebuild. I always viewed that group of Killian, Stew, and Saddiq as good back ups, all of them, we just got them first and gathered the high end talent next. Weaver hoped to hit a home run with one, but really they were all pretty sure bets to make the league, and be solid rotation players. If you go back five years after most drafts and look where they’re at, it’s crazy what draft picks are worth really. If each team has 10 players multiplied by 30 teams that’s 300 rotation players, but really there’s probably 75 players in those 300 that don’t play much, than every season there are 30 new ones with guaranteed contracts, they basically have four seasons to find a spot, if not there very likely end of rotation player on the fringe of the g league, or out of the league if they don’t have a good attitude. The top 7 picks are pretty much solid, it’s like 16% odds there better than a good back up after that.

Good points. I think draft expectations are out of line with reality. I’m too lazy to look them up now, but there are like a few good analyses out there that show how hard it is to draft quality players, especially once you’re past the top 10 picks.

[theBigLip]

Even looking at top 10 draftees through the years there are a lot of busts.

[Snakebites]

It’s paradoxical.

While we’d love to not lose a first rounder not doing so would mean a total failure of a rebuild.

[whitehops]

It’s paradoxical.

While we’d love to not lose a first rounder not doing so would mean a total failure of a rebuild.

i think it was still very much the right thing to do, the 16th pick of the 2020 draft has way more value than a draft pick in the same range 4-6 years down the road. we also gave up christian wood in a S&T in that deal. both wood and the pick we gave up have bounced around the league because they have very little value, while we've been able to develop stewart and make him a part of the core going forward.

we've had so many draft picks in recent drafts that it'll be weird to not have a first rounder one year but realistically we already used it in 2020. i know that doesn't have much to do with the state of our rebuild but i think it was a great move at the start of it.