GAME 17: Pistons(2-14) vs Wizards(2-14) Mon 11/27 7PM (Battle of the Beatens)

[bstein14]

Two worst teams in the league squaring off to see who is the worst of the worst.

Poole currently listed as questionable with an ankle injury. Not sure if him not playing hurts the team or helps the team.

Looks like this could be the season debut for Bojan as well as he is listed as a "game-time decision".

[Uncle Mxy]

"The upcoming NBA game between the Detroit Pistons and the Washington Wizards is expected to be a close one, as both teams have similar records and strengths. However, based on their recent performances and head-to-head matchups, the Wizards have a slight edge over the Pistons. The Wizards have won three of their last four games, while the Pistons have lost three of their last four. The Wizards also have a better offense and defense rating than the Pistons, and they have beaten them twice this season. Therefore, the Wizards are more likely to win the game, unless the Pistons can surprise them with a strong performance.

Thanks for the BS, AI-bot. 3 out of 4 ain't as bad as we are. Let's see what an AI image generator whips up:

[MortSahlfan]

One team that looks worse than the Pistons... Kuzma and Poole aren't going to "lead" them anywhere.

[breezypeezy]

Until these losers show they care to win I want nothing less then Rodman/Lindsey H. intensity. Diving for the steals, fighting for boards, skinned knees and perpetual effort.

Nothing else is acceptable, you dont give this for the team then sit your @$$ on the pine 1 through 12.
Losing is a disease
https://images.app.goo.gl/oozniEgq441XWr869

[MortSahlfan]

Mike Curtis: Monty Williams was asked about the status of assistant coach Dan Burke after today’s practice. Said it was “a personal thing,” but confirmed that he’s still on the coaching staff.

[zeebneeb]

As bad as it sounds, im hoping the Pistons lose at home, to the Wizards.

If this happens, change absolutely will happen.

Things have to get worse, before they can get better. Also, if they lose this game, they will end up with the teams longest losing streak almost assuredly, and could be in the hunt for all-time.

Something to look forward to!

[Fennis Dembo]

"The upcoming NBA game between the Detroit Pistons and the Washington Wizards is expected to be a close one, as both teams have similar records and strengths. However, based on their recent performances and head-to-head matchups, the Wizards have a slight edge over the Pistons. The Wizards have won three of their last four games, while the Pistons have lost three of their last four. The Wizards also have a better offense and defense rating than the Pistons, and they have beaten them twice this season. Therefore, the Wizards are more likely to win the game, unless the Pistons can surprise them with a strong performance.

Thanks for the BS, AI-bot. 3 out of 4 ain't as bad as we are. Let's see what an AI image generator whips up:

That's a hook and hold.

[Snakebites]

One team that looks worse than the Pistons... Kuzma and Poole aren't going to "lead" them anywhere.

They are where we were when we traded Drummond and let Griffin go.

They have an excuse to be this bad just like we did 3 years ago.

[GreekAlex]

One team that looks worse than the Pistons... Kuzma and Poole aren't going to "lead" them anywhere.

They are where we were when we traded Drummond and let Griffin go.

They have an excuse to be this bad just like we did 3 years ago.

I’d say that our excuse is that we’ve been tanking for 3 years and maintaining our cap space.

As much as we wanted this to be the year to take a step, it wasn’t meant to be.

Let coach Monty have the season to figure out what’s worth keeping to build around and then use the cap space after a good evaluation period.

[Snakebites]

One team that looks worse than the Pistons... Kuzma and Poole aren't going to "lead" them anywhere.

They are where we were when we traded Drummond and let Griffin go.

They have an excuse to be this bad just like we did 3 years ago.

I’d say that our excuse is that we’ve been tanking for 3 years and maintaining our cap space.

As much as we wanted this to be the year to take a step, it wasn’t meant to be.

Let coach Monty have the season to figure out what’s worth keeping to build around and then use the cap space after a good evaluation period.

There is no “meant to be”. There is success and there is failure.

This is the latter.

[GreekAlex]

They are where we were when we traded Drummond and let Griffin go.

They have an excuse to be this bad just like we did 3 years ago.

I’d say that our excuse is that we’ve been tanking for 3 years and maintaining our cap space.

As much as we wanted this to be the year to take a step, it wasn’t meant to be.

Let coach Monty have the season to figure out what’s worth keeping to build around and then use the cap space after a good evaluation period.

There is no “meant to be”. There is success and there is failure.

This is the latter.

Success to me is internal growth and having a competent long term coach evaluate the young talent.

The best way to judge the team is to compare this first half of the season to the second half of the season.

I’m holding off until next year to focus on the win/ loss record.

[Cowology]

I’d say that our excuse is that we’ve been tanking for 3 years and maintaining our cap space.

As much as we wanted this to be the year to take a step, it wasn’t meant to be.

Let coach Monty have the season to figure out what’s worth keeping to build around and then use the cap space after a good evaluation period.

There is no “meant to be”. There is success and there is failure.

This is the latter.

Success to me is internal growth and having a competent long term coach evaluate the young talent.

The best way to judge the team is to compare this first half of the season to the second half of the season.

I’m holding off until next year to focus on the win/ loss record.

I 100% agree, but that doesn't change how bad this feels. I have virtually zero interest in even turning this game on. It's too depressing.

I completely understand young team doesn't know how to win in 4th. That's normal. I get the injuries, new coach, etc etc.

But it's not like this whole process started 6 months ago. We are years in. It's time to start showing some results. We need to either see that growth, or for Killian to be out of the rotation. We need to see that growth or for the Bagley/Wiseman/Stew experiment to come to an end. We need to see the guys we've signed on the court, not in street clothes.

I understand patience, but this is frustrating.

[Snakebites]

There is no “meant to be”. There is success and there is failure.

This is the latter.

Success to me is internal growth and having a competent long term coach evaluate the young talent.

The best way to judge the team is to compare this first half of the season to the second half of the season.

I’m holding off until next year to focus on the win/ loss record.

I 100% agree, but that doesn't change how bad this feels. I have virtually zero interest in even turning this game on. It's too depressing.

I completely understand young team doesn't know how to win in 4th. That's normal. I get the injuries, new coach, etc etc.

But it's not like this whole process started 6 months ago. We are years in. It's time to start showing some results. We need to either see that growth, or for Killian to be out of the rotation. We need to see that growth or for the Bagley/Wiseman/Stew experiment to come to an end. We need to see the guys we've signed on the court, not in street clothes.

I understand patience, but this is frustrating.

In a way I envy the infinite patience expressed here- as though we haven't all been trying to say the exact same thing for the last 3-4 years now. As though we haven't seen multiple teams bottom out and bounce back much more quickly than this.

But I can't take part in it.

[GreekAlex]

Success to me is internal growth and having a competent long term coach evaluate the young talent.

The best way to judge the team is to compare this first half of the season to the second half of the season.

I’m holding off until next year to focus on the win/ loss record.

I 100% agree, but that doesn't change how bad this feels. I have virtually zero interest in even turning this game on. It's too depressing.

I completely understand young team doesn't know how to win in 4th. That's normal. I get the injuries, new coach, etc etc.

But it's not like this whole process started 6 months ago. We are years in. It's time to start showing some results. We need to either see that growth, or for Killian to be out of the rotation. We need to see that growth or for the Bagley/Wiseman/Stew experiment to come to an end. We need to see the guys we've signed on the court, not in street clothes.

I understand patience, but this is frustrating.

In a way I envy the infinite patience expressed here- as though we haven't all been trying to say the exact same thing for the last 3-4 years now.

But I can't take part in it.

I hear you, trust me. You’ve been the voice of reason many times.

I definitely expected more this season but the injuries and coaching change have been a valid setback.

I’m confident that the team will be playing a more enjoyable brand of basketball to watch regardless of the wins and losses by the second half of the season.

[Kalamazoo317]

I dunno. Is there an enjoyable way to lose? Can enjoyability ever truly exist outside of the context of wins and losses when you have a rooting interest? Is a 30 game losing streak any less terrible if every loss is on a last second shot? (It'd be worse in some ways, I'd think).

I just don't think you can separate enjoyability and winning that way. Even if we were playing ugly and winning, that'd be more enjoyable.

I honestly think we have flashes of talent and the players exhibit effort by and large, they just don't consistently execute and make some dumb mistakes and/or wilt in the face of superior talent and teamwork.

[breezypeezy]

I dont care if its a young team of millionaires, they still need to be coached in a manner thats consistent with rewards and consequences for playing correctly or horribly.
The impression they leave is of a team that cant be bothered giving a $h!÷ if it win or loses. That attitude needs to get crushed, its festered for far too long and now its a roster of losers that cannot see forward.
Coaching and fans need to return the ugly that these players project, they need to know in no uncertain terms that anything they are doing is remotely acceptable.
I mean booed unmercifully, if they donot want win they need to be driven out of the franchise.

[breezypeezy]

We are loooooonnnnggg past time to be patient, its time to burn effigies and revolt on this team.

[zeebneeb]

We are loooooonnnnggg past time to be patient, its time to burn effigies and revolt on this team.

Normally, I would battle against this, but the team really is in uncharted territory, something many NBA fans in general, and even Piston fans fail to realize.

This team is historically bad.

"But they are tanking"

"No worse then the process"

"You can't turn a team around in a few years"

"This how rebuilds work"

All of these statements are unequivocally false.

The only team worse, is the expansion Vancouver Grizzlies.

The time has come to clean house, and burn this turd of a franchise to the ground, and truly rebuild.

Weavers farcical "restoration" tagline has been an absolute failure, of historical proportions.

Enough, is enough.

[Canadafan]

I don't see how they don't care if they win or lose. They all seem pretty bummed out about it. They need some help to learn how to win and Bojan and then Morris later on will help. I also think a trade is definitely a long time coming and needs to happen sooner rather than later to get these guys some more help.

[JD43320]

As bad as it sounds, im hoping the Pistons lose at home, to the Wizards.

If this happens, change absolutely will happen.

Things have to get worse, before they can get better. Also, if they lose this game, they will end up with the teams longest losing streak almost assuredly, and could be in the hunt for all-time.

Something to look forward to!

Extremely doubtful anyone gets fired before the trade deadline. There is not a snowballs chance in hell Monty gets fired simply because of his obscene contract. I guess maybe Gores could fire Weaver but then in all likelihood one of Arn Tellem's halfwit kids will be named interim GM and would that really be any better? I'd advocate firing Tellem and anyone related to him. He's been a higher up since 2015 and yet somehow still has a job (let alone having the ability to bring in his nepobabies) makes me think he's in deep with Gores and we'll continue to be stuck with him.