What should our trade deadline strategy be?

[theBigLip]

So trade deadline is coming. Of course OG and Siakam would have looked good for the Pistons, but it didn’t happen. So what would you do if you’re our GM?

[vege]

I would trade a young that I do not consider a core piece to get a Forward that can shoot aka Ivey for Cam Johnson.

The only core pieces imo are Cade and Duren. I would not give up on Ausar this early and I like him a lot so he wouldn't be going anywhere.

I would also be open to trade Bojan/Burks/Sasser/Stewart for assets and combine the assets to get another difference maker entering his prime, one that is an above average/elite shooter and above average/elite defender.

Dejounte Murray maybe? Maybe there are other/better options out there, I just don't want to think right now.

LaVine is garbage and we don't need any more picks (unless we are going to trade those picks to acquire real NBA players in their prime), we need to put our young players in a position where they can be developed.

[bstein14]

If you can get an upgrade at SF/PF starting level player without giving up "too much" that should be the first option. If that isn't available, then we should look to trade Bojan/Burks/Morris for draft capital and expirings..... I understand not wanting to be the worst team ever and hopefully we win a few more games before we would trade those guys for draft capital but overall we 100% would be foolish to not get picks for those guys if we could and we don't have them in our long term plans.

I'd also say trading Wiseman for an expiring and a 2nd round pick would be great but not sure he has that value at the moment. Luka Garza is a better NBA player.

[sc8581]

I would trade a young that I do not consider a core piece to get a Forward that can shoot aka Ivey for Cam Johnson.

The only core pieces imo are Cade and Duren. I would not give up on Ausar this early and I like him a lot so he wouldn't be going anywhere.

I would also be open to trade Bojan/Burks/Sasser/Stewart for assets and combine the assets to get another difference maker entering his prime, one that is an above average/elite shooter and above average/elite defender.

Dejounte Murray maybe? Maybe there are other/better options out there, I just don't want to think right now.

LaVine is garbage and we don't need any more picks (unless we are going to trade those picks to acquire real NBA players in their prime), we need to put our young players in a position where they can be developed.

I would rather trade for Herb Jones than Cam Johnson for multiple reasons but I do agree about trading Ivey.

[Snakebites]

I think you triple down on Cade and Duren. Anyone else is fair game. Build a modern pick and roll team, or at least work towards that- 3 other shooters on the floor. Nobody else is off the table. No sense getting sentimental about secondary young guys on a 4-38 team.

Do I think that'll be easy or has a high probability for short term success? Not really. But standing pat is untenable- we need to start showing a commitment to winning games now. Staying the course and standing pat after taking a step backwards 4 years into a rebuild is not an acceptable answer.

Be as aggressive as possible.

As to the particular options- none really fit. I'd categorically say STAY AWAY from Lavine though.

[buzzkilloton]

Id rather trade for D.Murray then Lavine. Much better contract and was a all nba defender before playing with T.Young and Atls dumb trigger Trae scheme. Lavine is also injured AGAIN. Lavines contract is massive with that 15% trade kicker he will cost a crap ton. Obv Murray will cost more in a trade.

Then I would go after Miles Bridges in the offseason. We could enter next season with:

Duren
Bridges
BB if Ausar can learn to shoot he can takeover later
Cade
Murray

Shipping out Ivey and our 1st+maybe more in 3 team deal to get Murray.

[sc8581]

Trade Ausar and Killian for Herb Jones
Wait until draft night, trade Ivey and the 1st rounder (assuming it's not #1) for Dejounte Murray and DeAndre Hunter
Bring back Burks, Morris and Muscala

Duren/Stewart
Hunter/Muscala
H.Jones/Bojan
Cade/Burks
Murray/Morris/Sasser

8 quality shooters in the rotation and a variety of skill sets at every position

[bstein14]

New Orleans GM has come out and stated that they have zero interest in even talking about Herb Jones traades. He's a key piece for them locked into a bargain deal he isn't going anywhere. If we wanted him we had the cap space this past summer to offer him 4 years $100 million and NO wouldn't have been able to match because they didn't have his bird rights but we didn't make that offer so obviously Weaver didn't think he was worth trying to add to the team at that price.

[Kalamazoo317]

I think you triple down on Cade and Duren. Anyone else is fair game. Build a modern pick and roll team, or at least work towards that- 3 other shooters on the floor. Nobody else is off the table. No sense getting sentimental about secondary young guys on a 4-38 team.

Do I think that'll be easy or has a high probability for short term success? Not really. But standing pat is untenable- we need to start showing a commitment to winning games now. Staying the course and standing pat after taking a step backwards 4 years into a rebuild is not an acceptable answer.

Be as aggressive as possible.

As to the particular options- none really fit. I'd categorically say STAY AWAY from Lavine though.

After trading away Bags, the only non-shooters on the roster are Ausar, Wiseman, and Hayes. We should move Hayes just to stop Monty from playing him but otherwise lots of shooters to put around Cade and Duren.

Ivey may be in a gray area due to poor percentages. If you believe he will come around keep him. If not, move him now. Same with Ausar.

[Snakebites]

I think you triple down on Cade and Duren. Anyone else is fair game. Build a modern pick and roll team, or at least work towards that- 3 other shooters on the floor. Nobody else is off the table. No sense getting sentimental about secondary young guys on a 4-38 team.

Do I think that'll be easy or has a high probability for short term success? Not really. But standing pat is untenable- we need to start showing a commitment to winning games now. Staying the course and standing pat after taking a step backwards 4 years into a rebuild is not an acceptable answer.

Be as aggressive as possible.

As to the particular options- none really fit. I'd categorically say STAY AWAY from Lavine though.

After trading away Bags, the only non-shooters on the roster are Ausar, Wiseman, and Hayes. We should move Hayes just to stop Monty from playing him but otherwise lots of shooters to put around Cade and Duren.

Ivey may be in a gray area due to poor percentages. If you believe he will come around keep him. If not, move him now. Same with Ausar.

I’m decidedly on the fence about both Ivey and Ausar as future pieces for this team.

Ivey seems to perform best with the ball in his hands. I’m not totally out of him as an off ball player and 3 point shooter but his fit as a defensive player is pretty dubious too.

Ausar? Love the guy. Just praying he at least becomes a guy who can hit open shots. He’ll never be a dynamic scorer on the perimeter. And if he doesn’t he’ll never be more than a 6th or 7th man. And that would be a shame.

[Kalamazoo317]

I’m on the fence as well. Ivey does have good chemistry with Duren though. In theory Cade and Ivey can do a “my turn, your turn” thing but both need to get more consistent with catch and shoot threes.

I don’t think Luka level on ball usage for Cade is the recipe for longterm success.

[whitehops]

I’m decidedly on the fence about both Ivey and Ausar as future pieces for this team.

Ivey seems to perform best with the ball in his hands. I’m not totally out of him as an off ball player and 3 point shooter but his fit as a defensive player is pretty dubious too.

Ausar? Love the guy. Just praying he at least becomes a guy who can hit open shots. He’ll never be a dynamic scorer on the perimeter. And if he doesn’t he’ll never be more than a 6th or 7th man. And that would be a shame.

i'm probably in the vast minority but i think duren is also quite far from being a lock as a future piece of this team. a lot of red flags show up with him which i think people overlook because of his exciting plays. "he's young" is only an excuse until you compare him to other young bigs and see how they're thriving.

i think ausar has a lot to work on skill-wise but i trust his approach that he'll get there eventually, even if it's a limited role with elite defense.

ivey is the most polarizing to me, he can so easily create advantages which is highly valuable but his processing and decision-making leaves a lot to be desired. it's also one of the hardest things to improve, and i think that's why he's best on-ball right now, he doesn't have to think much he just drives past his guy. when you're off-ball there's a lot to process and make decisions on. heck, even when he has the ball he doesn't really have a plan when he's driving and that's why you see so many bad turnovers when his drive is stopped.

[mattao313]

If you're on the fence about both ausar and Ivey how are u not on the fence about Duren? Questionable defense at the 5, purely a rim runner, undersized and really struggles against size.

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[bstein14]

Duren has come a long way from day one and I expect he'll continue to make big strides.... yes the lack of shooting it concerning as far as looking at him as a high dollar player but overall he floor is looking like 5th starter that works well as long as the other four can all shoot/score and spread the floor. I think its a pretty safe bet Duren is a starter in this league for a very long time. I cant' say that about anyone else besides Cade at this point even thought I'm hopeful for Ivey, Ausar, and even Stew & Sasser.

[whitehops]

Duren has come a long way from day one and I expect he'll continue to make big strides.... yes the lack of shooting it concerning as far as looking at him as a high dollar player but overall he floor is looking like 5th starter that works well as long as the other four can all shoot/score and spread the floor. I think its a pretty safe bet Duren is a starter in this league for a very long time. I cant' say that about anyone else besides Cade at this point even thought I'm hopeful for Ivey, Ausar, and even Stew & Sasser.

he hasn't defensively... and he still lacks a bunch of fundamental things that even stewart does. even his decision-making offensively leaves a lot to be desired. i guess he was recently given the green light to carry the ball up the floor and it's ended in some really bad possessions, despite the few times he's gone coast to coast for a layup.

he could also play with a lot more physicality, he's wasting probably his best attribute.

[Piston Pete]

In a perfect world, we’d trade our vets for a young SF who can shoot and play at least average defense, an athletic PF who can shoot and play at least average defense, and get our pick back from the Knicks

[Snakebites]

If you're on the fence about both ausar and Ivey how are u not on the fence about Duren? Questionable defense at the 5, purely a rim runner, undersized and really struggles against size.

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I’ll own up to some bias, but while Duren is far from a perfect player I do more clearly see how he fits with Cade.

It’s not a guarantee he’ll get there (there are never guarantees with young players) but with Ivey and Ausar I’m not even sure the archetype of the player they could be is a fit.

[bstein14]

Duren has come a long way from day one and I expect he'll continue to make big strides.... yes the lack of shooting it concerning as far as looking at him as a high dollar player but overall he floor is looking like 5th starter that works well as long as the other four can all shoot/score and spread the floor. I think its a pretty safe bet Duren is a starter in this league for a very long time. I cant' say that about anyone else besides Cade at this point even thought I'm hopeful for Ivey, Ausar, and even Stew & Sasser.

he hasn't defensively... and he still lacks a bunch of fundamental things that even stewart does. even his decision-making offensively leaves a lot to be desired. i guess he was recently given the green light to carry the ball up the floor and it's ended in some really bad possessions, despite the few times he's gone coast to coast for a layup.

he could also play with a lot more physicality, he's wasting probably his best attribute.

He's making a bigger defensive impact this year for sure, and that will only grow once he's playing overall with better players and some more vets out there IMO. The numbers show he's taken one of the biggest leaps forward among centers in defensive impact this year being below average last season and above average this season. I will agree I still see some stuff where the eye test says he's got a ways to go on that end but overall I see him as a better defender this year than last no question.

[mattao313]

Duren has come a long way from day one and I expect he'll continue to make big strides.... yes the lack of shooting it concerning as far as looking at him as a high dollar player but overall he floor is looking like 5th starter that works well as long as the other four can all shoot/score and spread the floor. I think its a pretty safe bet Duren is a starter in this league for a very long time. I cant' say that about anyone else besides Cade at this point even thought I'm hopeful for Ivey, Ausar, and even Stew & Sasser.

he hasn't defensively... and he still lacks a bunch of fundamental things that even stewart does. even his decision-making offensively leaves a lot to be desired. i guess he was recently given the green light to carry the ball up the floor and it's ended in some really bad possessions, despite the few times he's gone coast to coast for a layup.

he could also play with a lot more physicality, he's wasting probably his best attribute.

He's making a bigger defensive impact this year for sure, and that will only grow once he's playing overall with better players and some more vets out there IMO. The numbers show he's taken one of the biggest leaps forward among centers in defensive impact this year being below average last season and above average this season. I will agree I still see some stuff where the eye test says he's got a ways to go on that end but overall I see him as a better defender this year than last no question.

In what ways exactly? And what are they basing these claims off of? He's upped his defense rebounding but the rim protection is definitely not there.

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[NYPiston]

Sadly, I don't think there's not much that can be done in season at least not any significant moves. The Pistons don't have many assets to move and most of the big trades for lottery teams improving are in the offseason when there's a bigger pool of players to choose from.

The one move I'd make is selling high on Burks. He probably won't return much but I don't see him being back next season so get "something" for him. Other than that? Trade off some dead weight if possible, Wiseman, Hayes...

Also, it pains me to see Ausar in so many trade proposals. Absolutely not, a guy with that size, athletic profile, work ethic and Basketball IQ isn't easy to come by. Shooting is the easiest thing that can be improved upon, there's no way I'm trading that guy unless it's a young star player on a good contract.