Maybe it’s Not All Weavers Fault

[GreekAlex]

https://www.netsdaily.com/2024/5/17/24159482/macmahon-brooklyn-nets-capologist-matt-tellem-headed-to-phoenix

I had no idea that Tellem’s kid was working for the Nets. I thought he was just representing players or part of the agency that his father started.

This makes eating the Joe Harris deal and to a lesser extent, DeAndre Jordan deal look way worse.

How many other moves has Tellem potentially influenced?

How about Gores overriding the coaching search?

I don’t think that Weaver has done anything special but these questions definitely make you second guess every move and make me want to place more blame solely with Gores.

[Mr Peanut]

Arn Tellem has too much influence in this organization, and it has never come across as the good kind. The whole Deividas Sirvydis situation and the three second rounders we wasted to get him was one of the first signs of trouble.

[7r5ur]

Looking forward to more coming out about the disastrous power dynamics in the front office here once Troy is canned. We already know about the coach and we've heard rumors of Troy getting overridden in the draft... Will be curious to find out what other decisions were being made by guys like Tellem and Gores.

[A_dub06]

https://www.netsdaily.com/2024/5/17/24159482/macmahon-brooklyn-nets-capologist-matt-tellem-headed-to-phoenix

I had no idea that Tellem’s kid was working for the Nets. I thought he was just representing players or part of the agency that his father started.

This makes eating the Joe Harris deal and to a lesser extent, DeAndre Jordan deal look way worse.

How many other moves has Tellem potentially influenced?

How about Gores overriding the coaching search?

I don’t think that Weaver has done anything special but these questions definitely make you second guess every move and make me want to place more blame solely with Gores.

There’s many ways to assess front office personnel’s abilities and performance which for the sake of the post I understand and agree that some of weavers decisions were probably overrode or influenced. With that said, Weaver also not having the brain or the balls to dig his heels in and make sure his decisions are his decisions are also a knock on his abilities. An intelligent and confident GM would be able to navigate the difficult communications between themself and other front office roles, even the owner to an extent, to make them see it’s their job and ultimately fate that are responsible so it should be them making the call.

The draft lottery outcomes are not Weavers fault, but outside of that weaver is either 100% or almost 100% responsible. If memory serves weaver also wanted Monty buy Monty passed. It was Weaver who traded our first for Stewart, it was Weaver who traded 2nd round picks to acquire players and then more again to get rid of them. It was weaver who wasted money on players like Bagley, Wiseman, Harris but didn’t think to offer Herb Jones a poison pill contract that would’ve make the Pelicans sweat. It was Weaver who didn’t trade Bojan when he had real value. It was weaver who wasn’t skilled enough in trades to actually pull value or use cap space for bad contracts and good picks.

Whichever way you cut it, Weaver failed and his “plan” if you can actually call it one is terrible. What if we didn’t win the #1 pick and instead fell to 5th when we drafted Cade? How would things be different. Every reclamation project he took on hasn’t panned out, and our young players outside of Cade haven’t developed. There’s so many red flags that there’s no other way to conclude that his tenure here has been a colossal failure.

[Sheeeeed]

No matter if Weaver wanted Monty or not, wasn't his choice of coach to hire Adrian Griffin?

[7r5ur]

https://www.netsdaily.com/2024/5/17/24159482/macmahon-brooklyn-nets-capologist-matt-tellem-headed-to-phoenix

I had no idea that Tellem’s kid was working for the Nets. I thought he was just representing players or part of the agency that his father started.

This makes eating the Joe Harris deal and to a lesser extent, DeAndre Jordan deal look way worse.

How many other moves has Tellem potentially influenced?

How about Gores overriding the coaching search?

I don’t think that Weaver has done anything special but these questions definitely make you second guess every move and make me want to place more blame solely with Gores.

There’s many ways to assess front office personnel’s abilities and performance which for the sake of the post I understand and agree that some of weavers decisions were probably overrode or influenced. With that said, Weaver also not having the brain or the balls to dig his heels in and make sure his decisions are his decisions are also a knock on his abilities. An intelligent and confident GM would be able to navigate the difficult communications between themself and other front office roles, even the owner to an extent, to make them see it’s their job and ultimately fate that are responsible so it should be them making the call.

The draft lottery outcomes are not Weavers fault, but outside of that weaver is either 100% or almost 100% responsible. If memory serves weaver also wanted Monty buy Monty passed. It was Weaver who traded our first for Stewart, it was Weaver who traded 2nd round picks to acquire players and then more again to get rid of them. It was weaver who wasted money on players like Bagley, Wiseman, Harris but didn’t think to offer Herb Jones a poison pill contract that would’ve make the Pelicans sweat. It was Weaver who didn’t trade Bojan when he had real value. It was weaver who wasn’t skilled enough in trades to actually pull value or use cap space for bad contracts and good picks.

Whichever way you cut it, Weaver failed and his “plan” if you can actually call it one is terrible. What if we didn’t win the #1 pick and instead fell to 5th when we drafted Cade? How would things be different. Every reclamation project he took on hasn’t panned out, and our young players outside of Cade haven’t developed. There’s so many red flags that there’s no other way to conclude that his tenure here has been a colossal failure.

Just saying "dig your heels in" here when you've seemingly got multiple people in the room with veto power above the GM who can just say "nah, we're gonna do this instead" isn't all that useful in these scenarios. At some point that just means you've got to resign and give up all of those guaranteed millions which just isn't something most people are going to do unless they've got something else lined up.

Who knows how prevalent it is (none of us are in the rooms to definitively say who decided what), but it's pretty clear that Weaver hasn't had full control over the decision making. Lots of cooks in that kitchen. Don't know why anyone else would want to come in and take his spot.

We've seen the smoke around the coaching stuff.
We've seen the smoke with the trade to draft Sirvydis who has ties to Tellem.
Heard rumors that Weaver was leaning toward Mobley in 2021 and got vetoed (for better or worse).
We seen multiple instances of the Pistons helping the Nets with Tellem's son there.
We see one of the top candidates for HoBo was one of Tellem's clients.

It's fair to wonder who is the one in charge here, but either way there are a lot of weird coincidences there.

[Sheeeeed]

The "rumor" Weaver wanted Mobley over Cade seems more like baseless speculation than anything else. All remember getting thrown out there was Mobley was getting #1 consideration.

[Canadafan]

No matter if Weaver wanted Monty or not, wasn't his choice of coach to hire Adrian Griffin?

Ollie too.
Either one would have been better developing our youth than the clown coaching us now.

[MortSahlfan]

Remember the thing we heard most (positive).. "Well, he was an agent, so I'm sure we'll sign some great players!"

[Sheeeeed]

No matter if Weaver wanted Monty or not, wasn't his choice of coach to hire Adrian Griffin?

Ollie too.
Either one would have been better developing our youth than the clown coaching us now.

Except Griffin was a disaster from start with the Bucks.

[bstein14]

From all reports Tellum and Weaver both wanted Monty it was a matter of who their 2nd choice was if Monty wasn't willing to come. Weaver backed Ollie and Tellum backed his former client Jarron Collins.

Gores really, really didn't want to have to pick and choose one between the two so he backed up the brinks truck for Monty to avoid having to have a back bone and support one of Weaver or Tellum.

[Snakebites]

Given those trades we made with the Nets were very much in keeping with Weavers’ patterns I’m a bit skeptical of this particular example.

We’ve seen Tellem’s hand in other ways though, such as with Sirvydis- the Tellem connected client we signed despite his not being NBA level.

I could be proven wrong if we start taking the Suns crap now though.

It’s always been true that it’s not ALL Troy’s fault. But he’s been part of the failure.

[Kilo]

It would be Troy's fault for sticking around if that nepotism power play was made from above him against his will.

[Kilo]

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[Kilo]

Triple

[Cowology]

It would be difficult to be this big a disaster and not have multiple failings at multiple levels. It was never all Weavers fault. But at best he's complicit in the complete destruction of our organization and at worst he's planned & executed it. Either way, after 4 years I've had enough.

I'm relatively patient and level headed, but we're long past the "show me" stage of this relationship. Lotsa talk, nothing showing. The whole **** lot of them can go. Every. single. one.

[Canadafan]

It would be difficult to be this big a disaster and not have multiple failings at multiple levels. It was never all Weavers fault. But at best he's complicit in the complete destruction of our organization and at worst he's planned & executed it. Either way, after 4 years I've had enough.

I'm relatively patient and level headed, but we're long past the "show me" stage of this relationship. Lotsa talk, nothing showing. The whole **** lot of them can go. Every. single. one.

Watching the Knicks gives me hope that someone can turn this around for us.

[Kalamazoo317]

Not terribly interested in how the blame pie is divided - it's a big pie with plenty of blame to go around and I blame them all. But, sure, add Tellem to the list of folks this franchise really ought to fire and move on from. Hopefully the HOBO will be allowed to.

[GreekAlex]

From all reports Tellum and Weaver both wanted Monty it was a matter of who their 2nd choice was if Monty wasn't willing to come. Weaver backed Ollie and Tellum backed his former client Jarron Collins.

Gores really, really didn't want to have to pick and choose one between the two so he backed up the brinks truck for Monty to avoid having to have a back bone and support one of Weaver or Tellum.

If I remember correctly, Chris Quinn (Heat Assistant) and Charles Lee who just got hired by the Hornets were also in the running.

[GreekAlex]

I agree with everyone in the post. My goal wasn’t to absolve Weaver, it was to point out that the Tellem connection is more dubious than we may have thought.