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Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 12:10 pm
by Laimbeer
In The Athletic’s report on Detroit’s hiring of the former New Orleans Pelicans general manager, NBA insiders James L. Edwards III and Shams Charania revealed some major potential ramifications from the news.
“In hiring Langdon, he will have the final call on all basketball decisions, as well as have the option to move on from both general manager Troy Weaver and head coach Monty Williams, who signed a massive six-year, $76 million contract (with incentives) last summer,” the outlet revealed.
The huge money left on Williams’ contract, and the fact that he was seen as a pretty good coach until last season, would seem like more than enough of a deterrent for a firing. However, The Athletic reporters added that sources informed them “[Detroit Pistons owner Tom] Gores will eat the rest of the money if the new president of basketball operations decides he wants to bring in someone else to walk the sideline.”
If Langdon does want to install a new head coach or general manager, the decision is reportedly expected to be made soon.
https://sportsnaut.com/detroit-pistons-could-soon-fire-monty-williams/
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 12:22 pm
by MotownMadness
OMG please
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 12:45 pm
by Canadafan
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 1:01 pm
by TPA
Sportsnaut? Isn't this article just reiterating information that was stated weeks ago?
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 1:23 pm
by 7r5ur
No better way for Trajan to prove he knows the flaws of this team than to cut Monty loose immediately.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 1:25 pm
by Uncle Mxy
You don't cut someone loose unless you have their successor lined up.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 1:37 pm
by bstein14
Darvin Ham would make a lot of sense for a young up and coming team (we have one of those right?) JJ Reddick has the Duke connection with Langdon but I doubt he'd go for a job like Detroit. Kevin Ollie is still out there but we know that was Weaver's guy not someone Langdon likely has interest in.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 1:44 pm
by Billl
I always thought Gores might just bring in someone to fire guys vs admit he was wrong and fire them himself. We'll see.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 1:58 pm
by Cowology
I've said this before, but it's practically unimaginable that whoever comes in doesn't at least try to make it work with Monty 1st. Mid-season would be the earliest I could picture anything happening.
I don't give 2 **** what some article says; Gores is not going to simply give $60 mil away. He *may* be willing to go there eventually, but it's going to be like pulling teeth. Any reports to the contrary are just mouthpieces for the organization.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 2:01 pm
by Canadafan
bstein14 wrote:Darvin Ham would make a lot of sense for a young up and coming team (we have one of those right?) JJ Reddick has the Duke connection with Langdon but I doubt he'd go for a job like Detroit. Kevin Ollie is still out there but we know that was Weaver's guy not someone Langdon likely has interest in.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 2:18 pm
by Snakebites
Still think JJ eventually lands the Laker job.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 3:12 pm
by thesack12
Ehh, what are they going to say?
"We just hired our new POBO, but he doesn't have full autonomy to make his own basketball related decisons. We are going to allow our previous financial decisions/mistakes to heavily influence our course of action moving forward."
These kinds of statements leaking out are pure formalities, and 100% expected any time a hire like this is made.
Until we actually see someone get the axe, these kinds of "reports" don't really mean anything.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 3:14 pm
by theBigLip
Draft is coming soon. I think Weaver and Monty are still here next year unless they really don’t get along w Langdon. I just hope he makes sure we get some great FAs this offseason. And he should have some good insight on Brandon Ingram to know if he would be a good acquisition.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 3:26 pm
by jaredtyshaf
Monty has shown the ability to be a very good coach and if I had to pick one and keep one I would pick to keep Monty and fire Weaver.
That being said I would totally get it if we just cleaned house and rebuilt the entire front office.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 3:40 pm
by thesack12
jaredtyshaf wrote:Monty has shown the ability to be a very good coach and if I had to pick one and keep one I would pick to keep Monty and fire Weaver.
That being said I would totally get it if we just cleaned house and rebuilt the entire front office.
Monty's success, if you want to call it that, is directly tied to Chris Paul.
With CP3, Monty has a career record of 180-94
Without CP3, Monty has a career record of 201-310
Without Paul, Monty has 1 career playoff appearance, which he got swept in the 1st round. He also had Anthony Davis who finished 5th in the MVP voting that year.
Monty Williams has always been an extremely over-rated coach, and as I've said before he owes Chris Paul a massive portion of his coaching salary.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 3:44 pm
by jaredtyshaf
thesack12 wrote:jaredtyshaf wrote:Monty has shown the ability to be a very good coach and if I had to pick one and keep one I would pick to keep Monty and fire Weaver.
That being said I would totally get it if we just cleaned house and rebuilt the entire front office.
Monty's success, if you want to call it that, is directly tied to Chris Paul.
With CP3, Monty has a career record of 180-94
Without CP3, Monty has a career record of 201-310
Without Paul, Monty has 1 career playoff appearance, which he got swept in the 1st round. He also had Anthony Davis who finished 5th in the MVP voting that year.
Monty Williams has always been an extremely over-rated coach, and as I've said before he owes Chris Paul a massive portion of his coaching salary.
That's crazy lol!
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 4:27 pm
by vic
thesack12 wrote:jaredtyshaf wrote:Monty has shown the ability to be a very good coach and if I had to pick one and keep one I would pick to keep Monty and fire Weaver.
That being said I would totally get it if we just cleaned house and rebuilt the entire front office.
Monty's success, if you want to call it that, is directly tied to Chris Paul.
With CP3, Monty has a career record of 180-94
Without CP3, Monty has a career record of 201-310
Without Paul, Monty has 1 career playoff appearance, which he got swept in the 1st round. He also had Anthony Davis who finished 5th in the MVP voting that year.
Monty Williams has always been an extremely over-rated coach, and as I've said before he owes Chris Paul a massive portion of his coaching salary.
The numbers don't lie. Always be wary of coaches that live and die by their high-IQ point guard. It's why he was so addicted to Killian.
As a matter of fact, Trajan should hire CP3 as the new coach.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 5:30 pm
by GreekAlex
thesack12 wrote:jaredtyshaf wrote:Monty has shown the ability to be a very good coach and if I had to pick one and keep one I would pick to keep Monty and fire Weaver.
That being said I would totally get it if we just cleaned house and rebuilt the entire front office.
Monty's success, if you want to call it that, is directly tied to Chris Paul.
With CP3, Monty has a career record of 180-94
Without CP3, Monty has a career record of 201-310
Without Paul, Monty has 1 career playoff appearance, which he got swept in the 1st round. He also had Anthony Davis who finished 5th in the MVP voting that year.
Monty Williams has always been an extremely over-rated coach, and as I've said before he owes Chris Paul a massive portion of his coaching salary.
Those are some crazy splits with/ without CP3.
Thanks for sharing that.
I’m less confident in him that I was before
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 5:45 pm
by Billl
I know we like to crap on Monty right now, but that is revisionist history. Monty took over a rebuilding Phoenix team that had be awful for 3 season and had just had a 19-63 season. His first year, we was 5 games under 500 and the team looked great in the covid bubble play. Then they got chris paul and vaulted up to 51-21. They had already gone from a 23% win team to 46% win percentage before Chris Paul walked in the door. Obviously, this is a players league, so you need to have some all-star player if you are going to be any sort of a contender, but Monty took phoenix from god awful to respectable.
Of course none of that should really matter to pistons fans. He was god awful for us last year. He somehow managed to make a bad roster even worse on the court.
Re: Pistons open to firing Monty; Gores willing to eat contract
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 8:22 pm
by 7r5ur
Cowology wrote:I've said this before, but it's practically unimaginable that whoever comes in doesn't at least try to make it work with Monty 1st. Mid-season would be the earliest I could picture anything happening.
I don't give 2 **** what some article says; Gores is not going to simply give $60 mil away. He *may* be willing to go there eventually, but it's going to be like pulling teeth. Any reports to the contrary are just mouthpieces for the organization.
The $60M is already given away. That’s gone. No coming back. The only thing it will cost Gores is the cost of the next coach, who I assume won’t be some massively overpaid “veteran” coach that doesn’t want to come here like Monty.
But I do agree that bringing in a new POBO was likely always going to mean that Monty will get a second chance, even if (I think) he was more egregiously terrible than anyone in the entire franchise last year.