Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:17 pm
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Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:59 pm
Feel like every time a shooting coach touches our players shot it fails
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:36 pm
MotownMadness wrote:Feel like every time a shooting coach touches our players shot it fails
This time is different! Lol
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:55 pm
If he can get Ausar up to 30% from three then give him the keys to Detroit.
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 5:04 pm
This is about the 3rd "special shooting coach" we've hired in the last 5 years. Yawn.
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Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 5:10 pm
In fairness this guy DOES have a track record.
But yeah, I don't know if anyone can save Ausar's shot. He's so far from where even Herb Jones or Lonzo Ball started.
But yeah, I don't know if anyone can save Ausar's shot. He's so far from where even Herb Jones or Lonzo Ball started.
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:10 pm
Sign killian to an exhibit 10 and bring him in. Let’s get the band back together!
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:24 pm
keepitrealhomes wrote:Sign killian to an exhibit 10 and bring him in. Let’s get the band back together!
There are some things that you can’t joke about lol
Don’t tempt Monty
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 7:41 pm
Snakebites wrote:In fairness this guy DOES have a track record.
But yeah, I don't know if anyone can save Ausar's shot. He's so far from where even Herb Jones or Lonzo Ball started.
I wonder how Suggs did it. That's probably the biggest transformation I've seen from a guy that was shooting a lot of attempts even when he was terrible.
As a rookie Suggs shot 21% on 4.1 attempts per game. 2nd year he shot 32.7% on 3.8 attempts. This year he shot 40% on 5.1 attempts per game.
Ausar shot 19% on 1.8 attempts per game.
It's actually crazy looking at how many 3's Suggs took as a rookie while shooting 20% lol. More than double Ausar and even that felt like a lot sometimes.
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 7:41 pm
keepitrealhomes wrote:Sign killian to an exhibit 10 and bring him in. Let’s get the band back together!
Who can we hire so that he's not afraid of contact?
Relevant to Pistons, I'm actually glad we got this guy. Seems like a step in the right direction, but I hope we don't compound our shooting woes this draft on the off chance he can fix this entire roster. Would be interesting to see who jumps the most this season.
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 8:48 pm
Initially, some around the league believed the addition of Vinson was a signal that Monty Williams would return for a second season as coach in Detroit. Vinson worked as an assistant under Williams in New Orleans for five seasons. However, it’s worth noting that Detroit was one of the worst three-point shooting teams last season, and the hiring of Vinson fills a need after he worked with Herb Jones, Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, and other Pelicans during his time in New Orleans under Langdon.
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:14 pm
WuTang_OG wrote:
Initially, some around the league believed the addition of Vinson was a signal that Monty Williams would return for a second season as coach in Detroit. Vinson worked as an assistant under Williams in New Orleans for five seasons. However, it’s worth noting that Detroit was one of the worst three-point shooting teams last season, and the hiring of Vinson fills a need after he worked with Herb Jones, Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, and other Pelicans during his time in New Orleans under Langdon.
That all makes some sense, but it still feels to me like not the sort of move you make if you're still planning on firing the rest of your coaching staff.
I could be wrong.
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:36 pm
JerseyJungle wrote:Great hire. About time.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2024/06/14/detroit-pistons-fred-vinson-nba-shooting-coach-monty-williams/74099613007/
Belien was a great shooting coach but it didn't do shet for Killian. You can't fix ugly
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:09 pm
Stein
The Pistons have not yet announced, with formality, that Monty Williams will be back next season as Detroit's head coach.
New Pistons president of basketball operations Trajan Langdon, in fact, has yet to hold his introductory news conference after it emerged he was getting the job in late May.
Yet one source with knowledge of Detroit's thinking told The Stein Line that Friday's ESPN report about the Pistons hiring Fred Vinson away from New Orleans as an assistant coach is a "clear signal" that Williams will be back for Year 2 of his six-year contract worth nearly $80 million.
The source described it as "the likely outcome."
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:57 am
Rip32 wrote:JerseyJungle wrote:Great hire. About time.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2024/06/14/detroit-pistons-fred-vinson-nba-shooting-coach-monty-williams/74099613007/
Belien was a great shooting coach but it didn't do shet for Killian. You can't fix ugly
I know Belien's head coaching record, but specifically when it came to shooting, I'd like to see the record that shows he can fix NBA shots like Vinson has.
As far as I knew it was basically Chip Engelland, Fred Vinson, and everybody else. With Chip and Fred as the only guys with a real track record of consistent, trackable results.
Which doesn't mean 100% success rate, but more of a "If Fred can't fix him, no one can".
I also think Ausar's shot is so terrible that it might be worth a full re-work. With someone like Ivey, he's close enough to being an OK shooter that you probably don't risk that and instead find ways to make incremental improvements based on what he already does.
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:41 am
Also just a reminder that over the last two months of the season Ausar shot 27% from three on 2.3 attempts per game (16 game sample size). Not groundbreaking numbers but a step in the right direction given how terrible he shot from the perimeter earlier in the season.
I think the key is to focus on corner threes first and becoming proficient there so his defender realizes he has to guard him, and it unclogs the paint to allow guys like Cade and Ivey to operate with a bit more space.
I think the key is to focus on corner threes first and becoming proficient there so his defender realizes he has to guard him, and it unclogs the paint to allow guys like Cade and Ivey to operate with a bit more space.
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2024 1:45 pm
If Ausar can get good on corner threes *and* get better at ball handling (an underrated hole in his game) then he can be playable on offense.
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:17 pm
WuTang_OG wrote:SteinThe Pistons have not yet announced, with formality, that Monty Williams will be back next season as Detroit's head coach.
New Pistons president of basketball operations Trajan Langdon, in fact, has yet to hold his introductory news conference after it emerged he was getting the job in late May.
Yet one source with knowledge of Detroit's thinking told The Stein Line that Friday's ESPN report about the Pistons hiring Fred Vinson away from New Orleans as an assistant coach is a "clear signal" that Williams will be back for Year 2 of his six-year contract worth nearly $80 million.
The source described it as "the likely outcome."
I have a feellng that Monty is back but with a very short leash. Maybe 20-25 games if its not working.
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:21 am
Good hire. Need to get the most of your assets. Not going to turn everyone into Steph, but hopefully bring up most of our young core to league average.
Re: Pistons hire new shooting coach Fred Vinson
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:59 am
I like the way Langdon is filling out his backroom staff. He is making logical, sensible hires. Getting a proven shooting coach to work with a young team should pay dividends somewhere.
On an Ausar sidenote, if his shot can't be fixed, what is his long term projection? Is it Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?
On an Ausar sidenote, if his shot can't be fixed, what is his long term projection? Is it Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?