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You gotta think Ivey is on the hot seat with TL looking to put his stamp on the roster. I don’t expect him to just give Jaden away, but looking around the league, it’s hard to find a team that would give up anything of real value for him.

One kind of intriguing/hilarious fit I found was Charlotte. I would do Ivey for Grant Williams right now. Charlotte gets to free up the PF spot to make way for Bridges to return and ease Saluan into minutes while forming the league’s worst defensive backcourt of all time and quite honestly, the most chaotic locker room since Swaggy P’s Lakers.

We would get a solid stopgap switchable forward who can space the court and be a connective piece on offense.

What do you guys think?

I know this one’s gonna get me some heat…

I don't think it would make sense to move any of our young players, until we've had a chance to see them with a coach that wants to work with them and for our success.

I'm hoping our new exec is sensible and not just out to mark his new territory.

I liked the idea of packaging Ivey with a pick to get something bigger. I could still see it for someone like Ingram. Short of that, I'd rather just give him a season under the new coach and see if he can recoup some value.

If I were Ivey, I wouldn’t go buying any green bananas……

I've stated several reasons over the past two seasons, but I hope we trade Ivey.

I think trading Ivey right now when his value is at its lowest without giving him another season with a new coach and training with Vinson would be nothing short of stupid. Yes he makes some dumb decisions sometimes, yes he has been a good shooter or good defender, but even with these warts if he can pull his 3pt shot up he becomes a much more valued player and his trade value increases. I honestly think starting fresh with a new coach will help with his play and allow him to show more of what we hoped he would be. He’s not getting us a decent return at this moment in time and waiting isn’t going to lower that value so I don’t see the benefit of trading him.

I would surely trade him if we could get anything decent. I dont like his games fit with Cade at all.

I understand the theory of "were selling low". That said if we sell him now that potential "what if a new system/city/coach unlocks his game" is what a buyer would be trading for. If he comes back next season and is the same guy under a new coach then his value will be completely tanked.

Actually I would call up Troy Weaver. Hes all about chasing guys he liked coming out of the draft regardless of how they look as pros.

We sold low on Grimes, who has actual NBA skills. Might as well double down and get rid of more dead weight

buzzkilloton wrote:I would surely trade him if we could get anything decent. I dont like his games fit with Cade at all.

I understand the theory of "were selling low". That said if we sell him now that potential "what if a new system/city/coach unlocks his game" is what a buyer would be trading for. If he comes back next season and is the same guy under a new coach then his value will be completely tanked.

Actually I would call up Troy Weaver. Hes all about chasing guys he liked coming out of the draft regardless of how they look as pros.

If he produces identical to last season, I don’t think his value drops and I don’t see him producing less personally. New coaching both shooting and JB is a defensive coach, could help Ivey take the next step. That’s what could really help and hey if he comes out the gates hot and we want to flip him then for a better fitting piece sure. But the truth is we aren’t getting a player his age with his potential back in a trade, and if we sell off too many pieces then it’s just fitting around Cade and imo Cade is not that guy. If Ivey gets back on the path to what people envisioned when he was the number #5 pick that’s a player we could use. Ivey shooting 38% from the 3pt line would help Cade

A_dub06 wrote:

buzzkilloton wrote:I would surely trade him if we could get anything decent. I dont like his games fit with Cade at all.

I understand the theory of "were selling low". That said if we sell him now that potential "what if a new system/city/coach unlocks his game" is what a buyer would be trading for. If he comes back next season and is the same guy under a new coach then his value will be completely tanked.

Actually I would call up Troy Weaver. Hes all about chasing guys he liked coming out of the draft regardless of how they look as pros.

If he produces identical to last season, I don’t think his value drops and I don’t see him producing less personally. New coaching both shooting and JB is a defensive coach, could help Ivey take the next step. That’s what could really help and hey if he comes out the gates hot and we want to flip him then for a better fitting piece sure. But the truth is we aren’t getting a player his age with his potential back in a trade, and if we sell off too many pieces then it’s just fitting around Cade and imo Cade is not that guy. If Ivey gets back on the path to what people envisioned when he was the number #5 pick that’s a player we could use. Ivey shooting 38% from the 3pt line would help Cade

I'm going to disagree on the "his value wont drop if he doesnt produce better this year" point. Year 3 further on the rookie deal he needs to take a big step.

To me his market value is the fact he was a high draft pick that has that top 1% NBA athleticism. Its the same reason some want to keep him. If he could step up his defense or learn to shoot he would be a useful player.

It really comes down to do you believe he can be a +shooter or defender. I liked the Ivey pick coming out but after watching tons I just think his mental game isnt there. I just dont believe in his game nor him fitting with Cade.

I get your side of this and think its completely logical by the way. Its just one of those things we see differently which is completely fine. Hopefully I'm wrong on him and this is a break out season.

buzzkilloton wrote:

A_dub06 wrote:

buzzkilloton wrote:I would surely trade him if we could get anything decent. I dont like his games fit with Cade at all.

I understand the theory of "were selling low". That said if we sell him now that potential "what if a new system/city/coach unlocks his game" is what a buyer would be trading for. If he comes back next season and is the same guy under a new coach then his value will be completely tanked.

Actually I would call up Troy Weaver. Hes all about chasing guys he liked coming out of the draft regardless of how they look as pros.

If he produces identical to last season, I don’t think his value drops and I don’t see him producing less personally. New coaching both shooting and JB is a defensive coach, could help Ivey take the next step. That’s what could really help and hey if he comes out the gates hot and we want to flip him then for a better fitting piece sure. But the truth is we aren’t getting a player his age with his potential back in a trade, and if we sell off too many pieces then it’s just fitting around Cade and imo Cade is not that guy. If Ivey gets back on the path to what people envisioned when he was the number #5 pick that’s a player we could use. Ivey shooting 38% from the 3pt line would help Cade

I'm going to disagree on the "his value wont drop if he doesnt produce better this year" point. Year 3 further on the rookie deal he needs to take a big step.

To me his market value is the fact he was a high draft pick that has that top 1% NBA athleticism. Its the same reason some want to keep him. If he could step up his defense or learn to shoot he would be a useful player.

It really comes down to do you believe he can be a +shooter or defender. I liked the Ivey pick coming out but after watching tons I just think his mental game isnt there. I just dont believe in his game nor him fitting with Cade.

I get your side of this and think its completely logical by the way. Its just one of those things we see differently which is completely fine. Hopefully I'm wrong on him and this is a break out season.

Right now I look at players as draft picks, in terms of if we trade player “x” what is the highest pick we could get. Right now I think Ivey is anywhere from the 20-30 range. If he produces identically to last season, that pick range is more 26-30. That of course this is all my own personal assumptions and beliefs, but that drop in pick value is enough risk to roll the dice again with a new HC and amazing shooting coach to see if he can improve. Ivey will be 23 by the end of this upcoming season and still young enough and our teams situation bad enough for a rival to think there’s still lots of untapped potential in there and they can get it out of him to trade for him.

It’s just risk vs reward and that’s how I try to view every hypothetical move. I get understand you’re thinking too, I just really feel this team desperately needed a change from Monty and both JB/vinson can help with the worst 2 parts of his game to make him a more complete player. Not expecting Ivey to become a lockdown defender or sniper at all, but I think a material change can happen since he is a good kid with the right attitude by all accounts

This is sad because Ivey is the one player who actually wanted to play for Detroit. He loves the Pistons. Always has.

keepitrealhomes wrote:You gotta think Ivey is on the hot seat with TL looking to put his stamp on the roster. I don’t expect him to just give Jaden away, but looking around the league, it’s hard to find a team that would give up anything of real value for him.

One kind of intriguing/hilarious fit I found was Charlotte. I would do Ivey for Grant Williams right now. Charlotte gets to free up the PF spot to make way for Bridges to return and ease Saluan into minutes while forming the league’s worst defensive backcourt of all time and quite honestly, the most chaotic locker room since Swaggy P’s Lakers.

We would get a solid stopgap switchable forward who can space the court and be a connective piece on offense.

What do you guys think?

I know this one’s gonna get me some heat…

I thought this Grant Williams obsession died when he showed just how masterfully mediocre he is. But now you want to trade Ivey for him. W in T whole F?

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Absolutia wrote:I don't think it would make sense to move any of our young players, until we've had a chance to see them with a coach that wants to work with them and for our success.

I'm hoping our new exec is sensible and not just out to mark his new territory.

I agree! Every player should be on evaluation watch include cade!

I'm down with moving Ivey+ for a SG that will fit with Cade.

If we’re keeping him next year it is his last chance to earn a solid contract.

I don’t think he’s out of the league or anything like that if he doesn’t take a leap this year, but he’s definitely out of consideration for a starting role (or starter contract) any time soon if he doesn’t get it together.

Ivey isn’t a guy I’m all that high on. But I doubt the rest of the league is either. Not sure what the point of dealing him is.

treefi wrote:This is sad because Ivey is the one player who actually wanted to play for Detroit. He loves the Pistons. Always has.

This!

Trading him while his value is so low doesn't make much sense either.



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Snakebites wrote:If we’re keeping him next year it is his last chance to earn a solid contract.

I don’t think he’s out of the league or anything like that if he doesn’t take a leap this year, but he’s definitely out of consideration for a starting role (or starter contract) any time soon if he doesn’t get it together.

Ivey isn’t a guy I’m all that high on. But I doubt the rest of the league is either. Not sure what the point of dealing him is.

Ivey may be best suited to a Jamal Crawford like 6th man role. I can see him carving out a productive career, but it's tough trying to start as a scoring combo guard who can't shoot or defend.

Cowology wrote:

Snakebites wrote:If we’re keeping him next year it is his last chance to earn a solid contract.

I don’t think he’s out of the league or anything like that if he doesn’t take a leap this year, but he’s definitely out of consideration for a starting role (or starter contract) any time soon if he doesn’t get it together.

Ivey isn’t a guy I’m all that high on. But I doubt the rest of the league is either. Not sure what the point of dealing him is.

Ivey may be best suited to a Jamal Crawford like 6th man role. I can see him carving out a productive career, but it's tough trying to start as a scoring combo guard who can't shoot or defend.

I feel like the Crawford archetype is becoming a bit of a relic now.

There aren’t as many inefficient scoring no defense tweener guards as there used to be.

He needs to improve his shot a great deal or become really efficient as a finisher to even be a bench scorer IMO.

Pharaoh wrote:

treefi wrote:This is sad because Ivey is the one player who actually wanted to play for Detroit. He loves the Pistons. Always has.

This!

Trading him while his value is so low doesn't make much sense either.



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Also he's had 2 different coaches in his 2 years here.
His rookie season was good and last season was a mess. Give him a chance. Why go for the immediate upgrade when he still has so much upside?


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