Strategy for Future First Round Picks

[theBigLip]

After giving up this year’s pick, we will finally have control of our picks. What to do? Shop them for a missing piece? Keep them for a steady flow of youth to our roster? Something else?

Assuming we stay healthy and keep improving, those picks will be in the 20s. I personally think we can move them w minimal protection and get us a quality player. Trade for KD? Zion? Swap for future firsts in hopes of getting lottery picks? We finally have options.

[zeebneeb]

I dont know. Honestly, this season has to end, and how it ends will determine what happens with picks. That's just me saying that, but I'll guarantee, the front office right now has no idea what they are gonna do. No one saw this coming.

Langdon did the right thing in adding Schroder, which ill guarantee was not the plan at the start of January. He wanted picks, and if memory serves, was stated publicly.

Now I'm ecstatic I don't even think about the damn draft, picks, or anything atm. Just basketball, which I firmly believe, is where the Pistons front office is at currently as well.

[ahike12]

I don't know the answer to this, either, but like zeebneeb above, this is the first season in a long time that I haven't been watching potential draft pick highlights already. I don't even care about the draft, which was like my Super Bowl the last several years. Feels good, man.

[DetroitSho]

After giving up this year’s pick, we will finally have control of our picks. What to do? Shop them for a missing piece? Keep them for a steady flow of youth to our roster? Something else?

Assuming we stay healthy and keep improving, those picks will be in the 20s. I personally think we can move them w minimal protection and get us a quality player. Trade for KD? Zion? Swap for future firsts in hopes of getting lottery picks? We finally have options.

I've been very vocal about my desire to add KD to this team next year using draft capital, so there's that.

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[bstein14]

As we start to pay some of these guys to stay here, its going to be more and more important for our 8th/9th/10th guys in the rotation to either be on cheap rookie deals, minimum salary vets, or guys one something like a bi-annual exception. Once we pay Duren, Ivey, Ausar, etc to go along with Cade we're going to have to round out the rotation with cheap playable guys. Plus, there's always a chance you find a rookie that you hit on in the teens or early 20s even.... a Tayshaun Prince type. Best to keep the picks and not mess up the chemistry unless a deal you can't pass up goes along. Zero need to go out and be hunting for a 22+ PPG scorer for Cade at this point we're getting that from who we have at the moment in a nice balanced attack.

I actually think its pretty likely that over the offseason we might just add one FA to the rotation and one 2nd round pick to the end up the bench and just roll with what we've got again.... only really trade that seems possible is Font.

[Billl]

No rush here. Keep the powder dry until a good deal comes along.

[uncleoswald]

I imagine that we’ve got our young core, and similar to the Celtics (Al Horford and Derrick White), we’ll use our FRPs as trade bait to improve the core with veterans.

[tmorgan]

As we start to pay some of these guys to stay here, its going to be more and more important for our 8th/9th/10th guys in the rotation to either be on cheap rookie deals, minimum salary vets, or guys one something like a bi-annual exception. Once we pay Duren, Ivey, Ausar, etc to go along with Cade we're going to have to round out the rotation with cheap playable guys. Plus, there's always a chance you find a rookie that you hit on in the teens or early 20s even.... a Tayshaun Prince type. Best to keep the picks and not mess up the chemistry unless a deal you can't pass up goes along. Zero need to go out and be hunting for a 22+ PPG scorer for Cade at this point we're getting that from who we have at the moment in a nice balanced attack.

I actually think its pretty likely that over the offseason we might just add one FA to the rotation and one 2nd round pick to the end up the bench and just roll with what we've got again.... only really trade that seems possible is Font.

There’s potentially a little more than that, though.

With Ivey returning, we definitely aren’t keeping Schroder AND Sasser. One or the other has to go. It probably depends on Schroder’a asking price and the trade market for Sasser.

We’ll see what Langdon does with Tek. It’s worth mentioning that TL wasn’t here when Tek looked good last year, and he’s been our only disappointing piece, really.

The extension negotiations for Ivey and Duren will be interesting. After the first month of the season, you’d have thought Ivey might be pushing for the second contract max and Duren was potentially on the trade block. Now the opposite sentiment may exist, as we’ve played so well without Ivey and Duren has greatly improved. I’d guess we’re keeping them both, but I’m not as sure about Ivey.

Beasley has leverage on us, so it’s up to him to decide how badly he wants to stay vs. maximizing his bag. We need him, both for 6th man offense and for the cultural upgrade. He’s been truly outstanding.

We also need to know if Klintman looks like anything, what Tobias might want after next year, and to figure out what our plan at PF is for the future;

Good times all around, though!

[The Moose]

I think personally I would flip a pick or multiple picks with a someone like Ivey to add one really good piece

[MortSahlfan]

After giving up this year’s pick, we will finally have control of our picks. What to do? Shop them for a missing piece? Keep them for a steady flow of youth to our roster? Something else?

Assuming we stay healthy and keep improving, those picks will be in the 20s. I personally think we can move them w minimal protection and get us a quality player. Trade for KD? Zion? Swap for future firsts in hopes of getting lottery picks? We finally have options.

Trade it... We're young enough, and it's time to win. Get the best 2-way player possible. Fill a need now. We can always use 2nd round picks to draft a 4-yr player, or someone from Europe.

I don't want Zion.. Very wary of guys who barely play. Or can't get in shape. Give me a guy who loves the game and puts effort like Ausar any day.

I think we're a better team on both ends without Ivey, so I only imagine how much better we could be if we got a player to fill a need. I'd trade him with Tek and a 1st round... I like THJ, and wouldn't mind him coming off the bench, but wouldn't lose sleep if he was traded.

[Kalamazoo317]

I'm against any big trades any time soon. This is a fun team, a cohesive team, and a darn good team, and a ton of the pieces are young and growing. No reason to mess with that. First rounders for depth and youth infusions sounds good. Obviously things may change before we actually need to make any of those decisions, but that's the default for where things stand, imo.

[tmorgan]

I'm against any big trades any time soon. This is a fun team, a cohesive team, and a darn good team, and a ton of the pieces are young and growing. No reason to mess with that. First rounders for depth and youth infusions sounds good. Obviously things may change before we actually need to make any of those decisions, but that's the default for where things stand, imo.

I want Ivey to succeed. I really do. But you can’t help but notice that when we won the game Ivey got hurt in, we were 15-18. The team’s record is 18-8 since then. When you’re talking about a “cohesive team”, we’ve been far more cohesive since he’s been gone. It’s just a fact.

If I were TL, I’d wait until after the season and have a private meeting with JBB and Cade. Let them decide if Ivey really fits, and quietly gauge the market if they come to the conclusion that he really doesn’t. I could see it going either way.

A little more: this team has plenty of shooters and plenty of slashers, but Ivey’s really the only guy that can do both well. There’s real value there. He’s not a selfish player, either. The big issue, of course, is that his defense kinda sucks. How much can that improve — and quickly? With further development and shrewd personnel moves, we have a window of contention opening a lot sooner than anyone really expected. And we have an identity, too — kids that run, points in the paint, pretty good defense overall, and a maestro in the half court.

[Kalamazoo317]

I'm against any big trades any time soon. This is a fun team, a cohesive team, and a darn good team, and a ton of the pieces are young and growing. No reason to mess with that. First rounders for depth and youth infusions sounds good. Obviously things may change before we actually need to make any of those decisions, but that's the default for where things stand, imo.

I want Ivey to succeed. I really do. But you can’t help but notice that when we won the game Ivey got hurt in, we were 15-18. The team’s record is 18-8 since then. When you’re talking about a “cohesive team”, we’ve been far more cohesive since he’s been gone. It’s just a fact.

I mean, I'm the one who caught flack on here for saying I didn't think we'd miss Ivey that much, so you're not telling me anything I didn't see coming to an extent.

That said, Ivey is young and he has upside and I can see the fit. I'm not in a hurry to move on from that. Lets see what things look like on the court when he's fitting back in with things. Lets give him a chance to keep improving and fit into a good thing here.

Another thing that's changed since we were 15-18 is Ausar has come on fully. Also, Duren's bringing it every game lately. And Cade has made a leap over the course of the season. I don't personally think Ivey being in the game or not has anything to do with any of those things.

If we get Ivey back and he's clearly not a fit and it's just not working out, we can move on then. He'll still have plenty of value in a trade, imo. But no reason to think (imo) that he can't still have plenty of value for us.

[Kilo]

Ivey + Holand + Harris + 2026 FRP + 2028 FRP + 2030 FRP for ...

[jars]

It would have to be a player who truly pushes us into contending status. I think contributing players on cost controlled contracts are going to be worth their weight in gold for us in the next few years.

If we can make a trade like the Knicks did for KAT, or another all-star+ level player still in their prime, I'm good with it. Anything less than that seems like too much of a risk. Zion and KD are interesting, but only if we are buying low (i.e. a couple of picks, not all our picks & swaps).

[blog_pistons]

In my opinion, we are going to be lucky to play in the playoffs. That is a different league, where the shortcomings are exposed and we will see which players stand out and which suffer, understanding that they are still young but it is a litmus test.

In my opinion you don't have to follow a strategy, owning them is a great value, you never want something like the Suns to happen to you, they are screwed now. If the perfect deal appears, go for it.

[DetroitSho]

I'm against any big trades any time soon. This is a fun team, a cohesive team, and a darn good team, and a ton of the pieces are young and growing. No reason to mess with that. First rounders for depth and youth infusions sounds good. Obviously things may change before we actually need to make any of those decisions, but that's the default for where things stand, imo.

I want Ivey to succeed. I really do. But you can’t help but notice that when we won the game Ivey got hurt in, we were 15-18. The team’s record is 18-8 since then. When you’re talking about a “cohesive team”, we’ve been far more cohesive since he’s been gone. It’s just a fact.

If I were TL, I’d wait until after the season and have a private meeting with JBB and Cade. Let them decide if Ivey really fits, and quietly gauge the market if they come to the conclusion that he really doesn’t. I could see it going either way.

A little more: this team has plenty of shooters and plenty of slashers, but Ivey’s really the only guy that can do both well. There’s real value there. He’s not a selfish player, either. The big issue, of course, is that his defense kinda sucks. How much can that improve — and quickly? With further development and shrewd personnel moves, we have a window of contention opening a lot sooner than anyone really expected. And we have an identity, too — kids that run, points in the paint, pretty good defense overall, and a maestro in the half court.

Yeah any team that trades Ivey for Ausar (who barely played before Ivey's injury), Schroeder, Tobias and Duren (the latter two were invisible prior to Ivey's injury) of course you won't miss Ivey.

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[NYPiston]

I think personally I would flip a pick or multiple picks with a someone like Ivey to add one really good piece

I'm starting to think this too. I know Ivey showed improvements but I'm struggling to see where he fits and I think he could have some real value if a team can get past the injury and assume that he'll bounce back to what he was before the injury. I think Cade/Ausar have thrived in the shared ballhandling role, not sure where Ivey fits into that equation unless they want to use him in the Schroder role as a primary ballhandler off the bench then in some late 4th quarter situations.

The Pistons have a big need at the 4 long term, Tobias has been a solid placeholder but they need a better/bigger player in that role maybe as soon as next season and I think Ivey plus picks are the pieces they can dangle to get that player.
I'm also fine with them running it back with this group and seeing where Ivey fits but I feel like next season should be about winning time, not developing to see where guys fit long term.

[BadMofoPimp]

Maybe a smaller trade for a PF to share time with Tobias to keep him healthy.

[tmorgan]

Maybe a smaller trade for a PF to share time with Tobias to keep him healthy.

I mean, anything can happen as you get older — I’m certainly having more than my share of crap happening to me in my 50’s — but worrying about Tobias holding up isn’t really a thing. He’s always been an iron man, largely because he plays under control and doesn’t really risk his body doing aggressive stuff.

We do still need a bigger prospect type to develop, though, or another big vet of high quality. Thus the interest in Aldama or Naz.