Will We Offer Duren and/or Ivey An Extension?

[MortSahlfan]

I'm guessing Duren has a high chance, especially if he plays better.. I'm not sure about Ivey. I'd rather pay Ausar and Ron (defensive players don't seem to command as much) but also because I think we're a much better team on both ends without Ivey and I think it's better to get someone we need.

I think re-signing Beasley and Schroder is key, but what else will we do in the off-season in your opinion? And how long and how much do you think we'll play? Can we even do a sign-and-trade? Duren seems to play much better with Ausar. I notice when the defense helps on Duren, that he'll pass to a quick cutting (but elusive) Ausar (who also makes some nice quick passes to Duren). Lots of hockey assists, which is why we can dunk and score a lot in the paint even without the benefit of a fast break.

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[tmorgan]

This off-season?

I seriously doubt we offer one to Ivey unless he’s amenable to an affordable deal, or a shorter one. He needs to get back on the floor first. Duren is a maybe, but I don’t think I would if I was in charge. He has a lot to work on.

Giving extensions to first contract players that will be restricted free agents anyway is basically a good will gesture from the team. We did it for Cade, and rightly so. Neither of these two guys are anywhere near that level, so caution makes sense.

[MrBigShot]

I would be surprised if we didn't extend Duren. He's at 16/14/4/2 per 36, on nearly 72 TS%. He's a great pick & roll partner for Cade and can finish practically any alley oop if you throw it up there for him...he has his limitations but he plays hard and is a good fit with Cade.

Jury is still on out whether Ivey is a a good fit. He has having a good year (and shooting 41% from deep on 5 attempts a game) before going down and has incredible physical gifts. I'd probably want to see another year from him unless he's willing to take a team friendly deal.

Ausar is very clearly the 2nd most important on the roster and extending him after his 3rd year will be a priority, so that's something Trajan will have to keep in mind. Beasley is probably looking for a big pay day too.

[ComboGuardCity]

This off-season?

I seriously doubt we offer one to Ivey unless he’s amenable to an affordable deal, or a shorter one. He needs to get back on the floor first. Duren is a maybe, but I don’t think I would if I was in charge. He has a lot to work on.

Giving extensions to first contract players that will be restricted free agents anyway is basically a good will gesture from the team. We did it for Cade, and rightly so. Neither of these two guys are anywhere near that level, so caution makes sense.

Agreed. It’s either a good will gesture like we did with Cade or it’s to lock up a guy before he takes a leap. The ship has sailed with Duren on not taking a leap l, but he’s not a bonafide star so I don’t think extending him makes sense

[MortSahlfan]

What about an incentive laden extension for Duren?
I'm sure we've all seen many get contracts, and then don't try as hard. Extension or a regular signing. I hate losing a guy for nothing, and I acknowledge Detroit has to overpay.

[theBigLip]

Of course we will make offers. Whether we come to agreeable terms with each is another question.

[tmorgan]

What about an incentive laden extension for Duren?
I'm sure we've all seen many get contracts, and then don't try as hard. Extension or a regular signing. I hate losing a guy for nothing, and I acknowledge Detroit has to overpay.

We’re not “losing” anyone unless they get all pissy like Greg Monroe and take the qualifying offer. Pretty sure he just didn’t want to share the paint with Drummond and Josh Smith, anyway. Guys finish their rookie deals as restricted free agents, meaning we can match any outside offer.

Early (after third year) extensions are not the norm unless you want to make the player feel extra valued. I don’t think that’s even possible with Ivey right now, but if he’s interested, it’ll be at a far less than max level. Like I said before, maybe Duren, but again no where near second contract max money.

All that said, we do want to cultivate this great team chemistry we have. Just can’t be foolish about the money. Ivey and Duren combined aren’t worth more than Cade, to the team or financially.

[Neptune]

We'll extend both this summer. Both good young pieces that clearly fit our timeline and actually want to be here. Cade and Ivey work. Duren and stretch 4 next to him work. Not sure why some here are questioning it when we've seen it this season

[Mr Peanut]

I can see Duren getting a 4 year 100 million extension (give or take). And after significant injury it's always tough to gauge someone's value - unless Ivey agrees to something team friendly I expect we'll take him to RFA.

[jars]

I can see Duren getting a 4 year 100 million extension (give or take). And after significant injury it's always tough to gauge someone's value - unless Ivey agrees to something team friendly I expect we'll take him to RFA.

My first reaction was 'this feels very similar to that Drummond extension'. Just looked it up and Drummond got 5yrs/$130, so it is actually kind of similar... except that was 9 years ago!

[Uncle Mxy]

We’re not “losing” anyone unless they get all pissy like Greg Monroe and take the qualifying offer. Pretty sure he just didn’t want to share the paint with Drummond and Josh Smith, anyway.

Moose was only pissy when he was arrested and drunk. This was SVG's folly.

[blog_pistons]

I feel that if Duren plays the playoffs at a level like he is playing lately, he can reach an agreement of 120M for 4 years.Ivey I don't think anything will be offered to him, they will wait to see first how he adapts to Cade Duren and use them together to determine his value to the team.

This is one option, Langdon has a difficult job this summer.

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[BadMofoPimp]

I wouldn't offer Ivey an extension until Pistons know that he will come back and be capable of playing at the same level at the very least.

[tmorgan]

Assuming the development I’m forecasting is accurate (just a hunch, after all), I think the 2nd most expensive extension (after Cade) is going to be Ausar, summer of 2026. He doesn’t need to be even an average shooter to be great, he just needs a tighter handle and more reps as a playmaker. I’m expecting something at second contract four year max or near that, honestly.

That’s one of the reasons I have less reservations about shopping Ivey than some of you. Cade, Ausar and Duren are going to be expensive. If those three are the true core, our two and four need to: be very good shooters and good defenders. Self-creation is not required or really needed, playmaking for others not required or really needed, good athlete is a plus.

Ivey’s not the right fit — as of today. Things can change. But considering a realistic future budget, he may have to go at some point. I’m trying to keep a close eye on the development of Holland, particularly his defense and shooting. He’s my future starting SG if he develops right.

Eh, don’t get too worked up about all this, anyway. Too much young talent is never a problem, even if it may eventually need a solution.

[engelbert321]

We’d be insane if we didn’t for Duren. Ivey is a different story

[tmorgan]

Also worth noting that, even tho he has improved a lot during the year, what Duren does is very replaceable as of today. Cade does need someone like Duren, because Duren is a truly elite lob catcher, but doesn’t need Duren himself.

Elite: Rebounder, hands, lob finisher, dunker
Near elite: Athlete, transition player
Good (for his position): Passer and ball-handler
Average (for his position): Size
Below average or worse: man defender, help defender, shooter

So yeah, other than the interesting playmaking stuff he’s flashed, Duren’s not really unusual. His potential as an all-star level player depends completely on improving defensively, avoiding stupid fouls, and playing more minutes. He’s looked a little better there this year, but he still gets bullied by really big guys and doesn’t track stretch bigs well. Stewart is shorter, jumps less and has way fewer physical gifts (other than arm length), but he is a quality defender and Duren is not, bottom line. Weak defense and one-dimensional offense is going to be a problem no matter how ferocious a dunker Duren is. He’s also very young, so I have hope.

I still think Duren can actually shoot. His form is pretty nice, and he looks comfortable shooting in no-pressure games like summer runs. We need to work with him and integrate sets that have him shooting 12-footers every once in a while. That kind of space will unlock Ausar and Holland and Ivey further as cutters.

End rant, I guess. I love watching Duren yam on people, but he has a long way to go yet.

[Kalamazoo317]

Hope we're able to get them both on value contracts.

On the question of fit, I think Ivey showed that he's a perfectly fine fit on offense. It's just a question of whether he can improve significantly on defense or not. If he can, he should be a long-term starter. If he can't, he might be a sixth man.

[DetroitSho]

What about an incentive laden extension for Duren?
I'm sure we've all seen many get contracts, and then don't try as hard. Extension or a regular signing. I hate losing a guy for nothing, and I acknowledge Detroit has to overpay.

We’re not “losing” anyone unless they get all pissy like Greg Monroe and take the qualifying offer. Pretty sure he just didn’t want to share the paint with Drummond and Josh Smith, anyway. Guys finish their rookie deals as restricted free agents, meaning we can match any outside offer.

Early (after third year) extensions are not the norm unless you want to make the player feel extra valued. I don’t think that’s even possible with Ivey right now, but if he’s interested, it’ll be at a far less than max level. Like I said before, maybe Duren, but again no where near second contract max money.

All that said, we do want to cultivate this great team chemistry we have. Just can’t be foolish about the money. Ivey and Duren combined aren’t worth more than Cade, to the team or financially.

What exactly was wrong with what Monroe did? Just looking at the situation he was in? Other than that traffic stop, I'm not sure why you would characterize him as getting pissy. Dude left here and signed a max contract ffs.

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[tmorgan]

What about an incentive laden extension for Duren?
I'm sure we've all seen many get contracts, and then don't try as hard. Extension or a regular signing. I hate losing a guy for nothing, and I acknowledge Detroit has to overpay.

We’re not “losing” anyone unless they get all pissy like Greg Monroe and take the qualifying offer. Pretty sure he just didn’t want to share the paint with Drummond and Josh Smith, anyway. Guys finish their rookie deals as restricted free agents, meaning we can match any outside offer.

Early (after third year) extensions are not the norm unless you want to make the player feel extra valued. I don’t think that’s even possible with Ivey right now, but if he’s interested, it’ll be at a far less than max level. Like I said before, maybe Duren, but again no where near second contract max money.

All that said, we do want to cultivate this great team chemistry we have. Just can’t be foolish about the money. Ivey and Duren combined aren’t worth more than Cade, to the team or financially.

What exactly was wrong with what Monroe did? Just looking at the situation he was in? Other than that traffic stop, I'm not sure why you would characterize him as getting pissy. Dude left here and signed a max contract ffs.

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He got upset with the team and his role and signed the qualifying offer after his rookie deal expired, that’s all I meant. It doesn’t happen often, but it did happen that time. He bet on himself and “won”, sort of. Then the league passed him by, but he did indeed get his money.

[zeebneeb]

Assuming the development I’m forecasting is accurate (just a hunch, after all), I think the 2nd most expensive extension (after Cade) is going to be Ausar, summer of 2026. He doesn’t need to be even an average shooter to be great, he just needs a tighter handle and more reps as a playmaker. I’m expecting something at second contract four year max or near that, honestly.

That’s one of the reasons I have less reservations about shopping Ivey than some of you. Cade, Ausar and Duren are going to be expensive. If those three are the true core, our two and four need to: be very good shooters and good defenders. Self-creation is not required or really needed, playmaking for others not required or really needed, good athlete is a plus.

Ivey’s not the right fit — as of today. Things can change. But considering a realistic future budget, he may have to go at some point. I’m trying to keep a close eye on the development of Holland, particularly his defense and shooting. He’s my future starting SG if he develops right.

Eh, don’t get too worked up about all this, anyway. Too much young talent is never a problem, even if it may eventually need a solution.

I hate that your mainly correct on Ivey(save for fit. It was looking pretty spicy before Anthony decided to be a main character)I love having Iveys ability to create for himself at any time, amd others.

Cost, cost, cost. *sigh*