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Smart move --- set the expectations for the fan base low before the league blows up with trades over the next few days.
Yeah he says he's gonna run it back...but his comment about the "Agents are tough" in regards to bringing back our own FA's may be telling.
I think it is safe to say that Beasley is coming back at least....but worst case, if he gets an offer he cant refuse and has to leave, I think we should try to get Malik Monk from Sacramento. Apparently on the trade block, and would be a nice replacement. Hopeful we don't need to go down that road though.
Yeah he says he's gonna run it back...but his comment about the "Agents are tough" in regards to bringing back our own FA's may be telling.
I think it is safe to say that Beasley is coming back at least....but worst case, if he gets an offer he cant refuse and has to leave, I think we should try to get Malik Monk from Sacramento. Apparently on the trade block, and would be a nice replacement. Hopeful we don't need to go down that road though.
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I hope Schroeder drives too hard a bargain and goes elsewhere. He is a vagabond for a reason and wears out his welcome quickly. With Ivey back, there isn't really room for the role he would want.
Beasley at fair market rate is fine. Don't let his public statements of Detroit love raise his price. Where did he go in the playoffs?
Beasley at fair market rate is fine. Don't let his public statements of Detroit love raise his price. Where did he go in the playoffs?
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I like Trajan because he does what I’d do in his shoes: If someone asks me a question I don’t want to answer (strategically or otherwise), I’m not gonna make up some dumb ass dance-around-the-question answer. I’m gonna say “I’m not answering that”, and I don’t feel the need to tell you why. It’s internal business or internal strategy and telling you would be stupid as hell.
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It appears the “official” answer to the “run it back or look for an upgrade” question is “run it back”.
I get that he’s not going to come out and say we’re going in guns a blazing but I do think we should expect a relatively quiet offseason on the trades and free agency front.
Running it back was always a strong possibility. We’ve heard rumors and speculations but the only concrete thing we’ve heard is our interest in a group of free agent stretch bigs we have no realistic chance of getting. We’ve heard rumors haven’t been concretely linked to any major trade candidates.
I was hoping we’d do…something significant but I totally get the instinct to stay the course here. We aren’t a team flush with assets to make a play for a major star and the price for genuinely impactful talent is sky high.
There’s also the possibility he just lied to our faces, or that some golden opportunity will fall into his lap that necessitates a course correction, but the smart money is on us more or less standing pat.
I get that he’s not going to come out and say we’re going in guns a blazing but I do think we should expect a relatively quiet offseason on the trades and free agency front.
Running it back was always a strong possibility. We’ve heard rumors and speculations but the only concrete thing we’ve heard is our interest in a group of free agent stretch bigs we have no realistic chance of getting. We’ve heard rumors haven’t been concretely linked to any major trade candidates.
I was hoping we’d do…something significant but I totally get the instinct to stay the course here. We aren’t a team flush with assets to make a play for a major star and the price for genuinely impactful talent is sky high.
There’s also the possibility he just lied to our faces, or that some golden opportunity will fall into his lap that necessitates a course correction, but the smart money is on us more or less standing pat.
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the_l_train wrote:Smart move --- set the expectations for the fan base low before the league blows up with trades over the next few days.
Yeah he says he's gonna run it back...but his comment about the "Agents are tough" in regards to bringing back our own FA's may be telling.
I think it is safe to say that Beasley is coming back at least....but worst case, if he gets an offer he cant refuse and has to leave, I think we should try to get Malik Monk from Sacramento. Apparently on the trade block, and would be a nice replacement. Hopeful we don't need to go down that road though.
Not sure why people seem down on Schroder. He was one of our best players come playoff time, and was arguably our best defender on Brunson. Plus, he seems to actually like it here.
Ivey is not a point guard. Yes he can bring the ball up, but we struggled to start last season with the staggering of him and Cade and it would be a huge step backwards if we go back to that. We don't need a hole at backup PF and PG.
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the_l_train wrote:the_l_train wrote:Smart move --- set the expectations for the fan base low before the league blows up with trades over the next few days.
Yeah he says he's gonna run it back...but his comment about the "Agents are tough" in regards to bringing back our own FA's may be telling.
I think it is safe to say that Beasley is coming back at least....but worst case, if he gets an offer he cant refuse and has to leave, I think we should try to get Malik Monk from Sacramento. Apparently on the trade block, and would be a nice replacement. Hopeful we don't need to go down that road though.
Not sure why people seem down on Schroder. He was one of our best players come playoff time, and was arguably our best defender on Brunson. Plus, he seems to actually like it here.
Ivey is not a point guard. Yes he can bring the ball up, but we struggled to start last season with the staggering of him and Cade and it would be a huge step backwards if we go back to that. We don't need a hole at backup PF and PG.
I'd much rather see Ivey take THJs minutes and we move on from him and Sasser. Bringing back Schroeder means we then actually have 3 pgs on the team (I equate Ivey to a #3 at this point). Ivey shot much better than THJ by the numbers. And other than THJ's charges I think Ivey played at least as well on the other end and is much younger.
Beasley remains as backup sg. Ron soaks up any remaining guard / 3 minutes and hopefully carves out more minutes as the season goes on.
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Look at all of Schroder's stops - he never stays anywhere for a reason.
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the_l_train wrote:
Yeah he says he's gonna run it back...but his comment about the "Agents are tough" in regards to bringing back our own FA's may be telling.
I wonder if that is just our free agents or does that include the Ivey/Duren extensions?
I don’t think TL will overpay anyone. And I think the agents are talking tough now but there isn’t any real money above the MLE for anyone. I think this summer will be more like musical chairs and if you play hardball too long, you won’t get a chair or a contract that you expect.
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Kilo wrote:Look at all of Schroder's stops - he never stays anywhere for a reason.
But what is that reason?
He filled in nicely for us and I’d like to have him back. I also have no idea why he jumps to so many teams.
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Kilo wrote:I hope Schroeder drives too hard a bargain and goes elsewhere. He is a vagabond for a reason and wears out his welcome quickly. With Ivey back, there isn't really room for the role he would want.
Beasley at fair market rate is fine. Don't let his public statements of Detroit love raise his price. Where did he go in the playoffs?
Schroder is a floor general. Ivey is...not a floor general. The two have nothing to do with each other. Ivey will take THJ's spot.
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Kilo wrote:I hope Schroeder drives too hard a bargain and goes elsewhere. He is a vagabond for a reason and wears out his welcome quickly. With Ivey back, there isn't really room for the role he would want.
Ivey has never been a lead handler from Purdue onward. He's always been at his best playing off of somebody else.
Lose Schroder and you're setting the stage for the offense to suck again with Cade off the floor and also requiring Cade and Ivey to be staggered rather than getting them maximum familiarity playing together.
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Kilo wrote:Look at all of Schroder's stops - he never stays anywhere for a reason.
Great, give me the reason. We are all aware he is a journeyman.
You saying he’s a bad locker room presence? Seems fine here.
He wants too much money? What is a steady backup PG who has already proven himself worth.
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the_l_train wrote:the_l_train wrote:Smart move --- set the expectations for the fan base low before the league blows up with trades over the next few days.
Yeah he says he's gonna run it back...but his comment about the "Agents are tough" in regards to bringing back our own FA's may be telling.
I think it is safe to say that Beasley is coming back at least....but worst case, if he gets an offer he cant refuse and has to leave, I think we should try to get Malik Monk from Sacramento. Apparently on the trade block, and would be a nice replacement. Hopeful we don't need to go down that road though.
Not sure why people seem down on Schroder. He was one of our best players come playoff time, and was arguably our best defender on Brunson. Plus, he seems to actually like it here.
Ivey is not a point guard. Yes he can bring the ball up, but we struggled to start last season with the staggering of him and Cade and it would be a huge step backwards if we go back to that. We don't need a hole at backup PF and PG.
I rather keep Schroder than Ivey. We were better on both ends without Ivey. Just imagine how better would we be if we got a player back for him that fits our needs. 3 and D player who moves with the ball, instead of killing the offensive flow and motion.
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MortSahlfan wrote:the_l_train wrote:the_l_train wrote:Smart move --- set the expectations for the fan base low before the league blows up with trades over the next few days.
Yeah he says he's gonna run it back...but his comment about the "Agents are tough" in regards to bringing back our own FA's may be telling.
I think it is safe to say that Beasley is coming back at least....but worst case, if he gets an offer he cant refuse and has to leave, I think we should try to get Malik Monk from Sacramento. Apparently on the trade block, and would be a nice replacement. Hopeful we don't need to go down that road though.
Not sure why people seem down on Schroder. He was one of our best players come playoff time, and was arguably our best defender on Brunson. Plus, he seems to actually like it here.
Ivey is not a point guard. Yes he can bring the ball up, but we struggled to start last season with the staggering of him and Cade and it would be a huge step backwards if we go back to that. We don't need a hole at backup PF and PG.
I rather keep Schroder than Ivey. We were better on both ends without Ivey. Just imagine how better would we be if we got a player back for him that fits our needs. 3 and D player who moves with the ball, instead of killing the offensive flow and motion.
Keeping Schroder over Ivey is crazy talk and not allowed here!
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Neptune wrote:MortSahlfan wrote:the_l_train wrote:
Not sure why people seem down on Schroder. He was one of our best players come playoff time, and was arguably our best defender on Brunson. Plus, he seems to actually like it here.
Ivey is not a point guard. Yes he can bring the ball up, but we struggled to start last season with the staggering of him and Cade and it would be a huge step backwards if we go back to that. We don't need a hole at backup PF and PG.
I rather keep Schroder than Ivey. We were better on both ends without Ivey. Just imagine how better would we be if we got a player back for him that fits our needs. 3 and D player who moves with the ball, instead of killing the offensive flow and motion.
Keeping Schroder over Ivey is crazy talk and not allowed here!
Schroder might even sign for the minimum while we're trying to re-sign Malik, and then we have Duren, Ausar, Holland.. I just think Ivey is the odd man out.
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Neptune wrote:MortSahlfan wrote:the_l_train wrote:
Not sure why people seem down on Schroder. He was one of our best players come playoff time, and was arguably our best defender on Brunson. Plus, he seems to actually like it here.
Ivey is not a point guard. Yes he can bring the ball up, but we struggled to start last season with the staggering of him and Cade and it would be a huge step backwards if we go back to that. We don't need a hole at backup PF and PG.
I rather keep Schroder than Ivey. We were better on both ends without Ivey. Just imagine how better would we be if we got a player back for him that fits our needs. 3 and D player who moves with the ball, instead of killing the offensive flow and motion.
Keeping Schroder over Ivey is crazy talk and not allowed here!
Unfortunately, it probably is one or the other. Ivey will be playing in 30 minutes a game with Cade and I'm sure Beasley being close to 30 if we bring him back. THJ/or Ron and Shroeder are the odd men out if we run it back, which I hope we don't. I hope we trade Ivey for an upgrade at 4 and resign Shroeder.
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The low hanging fruit, non-contextual fallacy of this team being better without Ivey is still annoyingly being spouted, I see.
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What we need to do is extend Ivey. He showed serious improvement last season. He’s a crazy great athlete among great athletes. He works hard. And he will get seriously more expensive if he has a great year this year. If we can do 4x25, we do it. Look at what Jalen Green got paid. As for Schroeder, we can sign him too. It’s THJ that doesn’t have a spot.