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[whitehops]

Discuss away.

Previous one should have been locked a long time ago when it passed 100 pages.

link to the last page of the last thread: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2030814&start=2400

[Kalamazoo317]

Are 100+ page threads hard on the system or something?

[whitehops]

Are 100+ page threads hard on the system or something?

that's my understanding yeah, it's been a rule as long as i've been here that threads with over 100 pages get locked and you open up a new one. i'm not super techy but i guess it puts more strain on the server to have to pull up all that info? kind of like having 20 tabs open on your internet browser slows the computer down? anyone feel free to correct me.

forgot to add the link to the last thread in the OP, i'll do that now.

[ComboGuardCity]

I think Weaver getting another year would’ve been interesting. Grimes is a great player and proving it wasn’t a fluke. Who knows if Troy would’ve turned a corner or traded for and stretched a few guys. We’ll never know.

[Mr Peanut]

I think Weaver getting another year would’ve been interesting. Grimes is a great player and proving it wasn’t a fluke. Who knows if Troy would’ve turned a corner or traded for and stretched a few guys. We’ll never know.

Weaver definitely had his faults and failed putting the right supporting pieces around our young core. And was never really able to extract enough value when using our cap space for salary dump trades. Plus the Killian Hayes mess.

But he also did some good. Drafting Stew at 16th was maligned at the time but in retrospect was a great pick and he has been the real heart and soul of this team during its resurgence. Cade was the obvious pick at 1. Ivey/Duren the jury is still out but there is hope. Ausar wasn't the consensus at 5 but in retrospect was a solid pick. It seems like Grimes was actually a good return for the Bojan/Burks trade but unfortunately he was largely injured when we had him and then decided he didn't want to be in Detroit.

Overall Weaver was a failure in his time here. But can't deny that our young core that is now making some noise was largely his design (sans Holland).

[BadMofoPimp]

If the Pistons continue to overachieve, then it is a successful season to me.

[SuperBad]

I always thought Weaver had a real good eye for talent, he missed bad with Killian Hayes in the Covid Summer, outside that pretty good. I don’t think he has the cap construction side of things down in any way, and he doesn’t draft for Team fit very well. But he did draft a lot of the right personalities. It will be interesting if they can build a new likable core for the fans of New Orleans.

[Crymson]

It seems like Grimes was actually a good return for the Bojan/Burks trade but unfortunately he was largely injured when we had him and then decided he didn't want to be in Detroit.

I think it still bears mention that this has never been reported upon by any reliable source. It's a fan theory.

To this day, we don't know if there's any special reason why Grimes was traded.

[Snakebites]

I get why people like to rewrite history on the latter half of Dumars executive career with the Pistons. He’s a Hall of Famer and All Time Piston great as a player who built our title team. If there’s a Mount Rushmore for Piston history- he’s on it. And his time was a long time ago, so I get why some might want to gloss over how bad he was with personnel moves post 2006 or so.

But I struggle to grasp the revisionist history going on with Troy Weaver. Dude was bad. He did a bad job. And it was recent. We all saw it.

[tmorgan]

I get why people like to rewrite history on the latter half of Dumars executive career with the Pistons. He’s a Hall of Famer and All Time Piston great as a player who built our title team. If there’s a Mount Rushmore for Piston history- he’s on it. And his time was a long time ago, so I get why some might want to gloss over how bad he was with personnel moves post 2006 or so.

But I struggle to grasp the revisionist history going on with Troy Weaver. Dude was bad. He did a bad job. And it was recent. We all saw it.

I still think it’s just a matter of over-promotion. He’s fine as a head scout or draft manager. His role in OKC behind Presti suited him, but he wanted a bigger opportunity and got it… and sucked.

Now why New Orleans can’t see this is beyond me. Bad times are a coming for the Pelicans even though they have interesting talent.

[Snakebites]

I get why people like to rewrite history on the latter half of Dumars executive career with the Pistons. He’s a Hall of Famer and All Time Piston great as a player who built our title team. If there’s a Mount Rushmore for Piston history- he’s on it. And his time was a long time ago, so I get why some might want to gloss over how bad he was with personnel moves post 2006 or so.

But I struggle to grasp the revisionist history going on with Troy Weaver. Dude was bad. He did a bad job. And it was recent. We all saw it.

I still think it’s just a matter of over-promotion. He’s fine as a head scout or draft manager. His role in OKC behind Presti suited him, but he wanted a bigger opportunity and got it… and sucked.

Now why New Orleans can’t see this is beyond me. Bad times are a coming for the Pelicans even though they have interesting talent.

Yeah, I'm not saying Troy is dirt and has no value to basketball. He should be employed.

Just that he was (and is by the looks of it) an objectively bad GM.

[chrbal]

I think Weaver getting another year would’ve been interesting. Who knows if Troy would’ve turned a corner or traded for and stretched a few guys. We’ll never know.

The Pelicans have added Hunter Dickinson, DeAndre Jordan, Kevon Looney, and Derik Queen to a roster that already had Yves Missi and Karlo Matković.

Doesn’t seem like much has changed with him. I can’t see him turning a corner anytime soon.

He’s a good scout though

[Cowology]

I get why people like to rewrite history on the latter half of Dumars executive career with the Pistons. He’s a Hall of Famer and All Time Piston great as a player who built our title team. If there’s a Mount Rushmore for Piston history- he’s on it. And his time was a long time ago, so I get why some might want to gloss over how bad he was with personnel moves post 2006 or so.

But I struggle to grasp the revisionist history going on with Troy Weaver. Dude was bad. He did a bad job. And it was recent. We all saw it.

I still think it’s just a matter of over-promotion. He’s fine as a head scout or draft manager. His role in OKC behind Presti suited him, but he wanted a bigger opportunity and got it… and sucked.

Now why New Orleans can’t see this is beyond me. Bad times are a coming for the Pelicans even though they have interesting talent.

Yep, it's The Peter Principle in effect.

Personally, I tried to give Weaver a long rope with regards to criticism. Even when things looked objectively bad I'd try to find the rationale or justification because I wanted him to succeed and I wanted to believe my failure to understand was because he was smarter than me.

But the results are tough to argue and I'm pretty sure I could have done a better job (along with half the board).

And for the record Dumars is my #1 All-Time Piston despite what happened from 2006 on. Even during the Bad Boy era he operated with a different level of class & dignity that I greatly respect. Package that with his Finals MVP & GtW Pistons in 2004 and I think he embodies what I'd like the Pistons to represent better than anyone. And yeah, it was hella ugly after 2006. Mistakes definitely made. But the guy is still Piston royalty in my book.

[JLiv]

The Bulls are 5-0

[bstein14]

Troy Weaver immediately got off on the wrong foot with me because he cleared house and got nothing in return. His first draft he went into debt owing a future first. He stretched and waived guys to do long term salary cap damage. It wasn't the proper way to start a full rebuild.

That said, he hit solid in FA with Jerami Grant and Plumlee both being fine signings, and he seemingly hit two decent first round picks in Stewart and Bey so it was a mixed bag for his first year.

Getting lucky and landing the #1 pick in his next draft, and getting Cade was a franchise altering moment for sure.

The trade for Duren was very exciting at the time, but then he grossly overpaid Bagley and he picked up the option on Hayes who really wasn't an NBA player and that's when I started to further turn on him.

The trade for Bojan seemed solid at first, but the losing kept coming and we then moved Bey for another project center who couldn't shoot in Wiseman and it became very clear Weaver was never going to get "it"... and Hayes was still on the team. Obviously the Monty hire was the absolute nail in the coffin and probably ended up better for Pistons fans than if Monty would have kind of worked and Weaver got to keep calling the shots.

[MotownMadness]

Pelicans are 0-6 and Dumars traded their pick unprotected

[dVs33]

Weaver did a few good things, but he had no idea how to run a team. Has an eye for finding individual talent, but can't build a team. He wasn't ready to be a GM and was bad.

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[Snakebites]

Pelicans are 0-6 and Dumars traded their pick unprotected

It's actually worse than that.

They gave up their 2026 unprotected pick along with the 23rd pick to get Queen, who is barely playing.

How did they get the 23rd pick to begin with? Well, they used to own the Pacers 2026 pick- they traded it back to the Pacers to get the 23rd pick in this draft. Immediately after that Haliburton got hurt and the value of that pick skyrocketed.

They gave up 2 potentially lottery valued picks to get Queen- including one that is completely unprotected. And Queen is playing 17 minutes per game off the bench.

It's just wild, wild work.

[MotownMadness]

Pelicans are 0-6 and Dumars traded their pick unprotected

It's actually worse than that.

They gave up their 2026 unprotected pick along with the 23rd pick to get Queen, who is barely playing.

How did they get the 23rd pick to begin with? Well, they used to own the Pacers 2026 pick- they traded it back to the Pacers to get the 23rd pick in this draft. Immediately after that Haliburton got hurt and the value of that pick skyrocketed.

They gave up 2 potentially lottery valued picks to get Queen- including one that is completely unprotected. And Queen is playing 17 minutes per game off the bench.

It's just wild, wild work.

That’s insane

[Snakebites]

Pelicans are 0-6 and Dumars traded their pick unprotected

It's actually worse than that.

They gave up their 2026 unprotected pick along with the 23rd pick to get Queen, who is barely playing.

How did they get the 23rd pick to begin with? Well, they used to own the Pacers 2026 pick- they traded it back to the Pacers to get the 23rd pick in this draft. Immediately after that Haliburton got hurt and the value of that pick skyrocketed.

They gave up 2 potentially lottery valued picks to get Queen- including one that is completely unprotected. And Queen is playing 17 minutes per game off the bench.

It's just wild, wild work.

That’s insane

Troy likes to make his mark via the draft immediately. Recall that in his first draft with us he also traded for two first rounders in that draft. Killian was our own pick, and Stewart and Bey were picks attained via draft day trades.

I don't think those trades were particularly bad- the Bey trade was moderately bad given how bad Bey turned out and we gave up multiple second rounders. The Stewart trade was fine.

But yeah, it's a pattern with Troy- sacrifice future draft capital to get young players he likes immediately.