Shooting is a problem

[Dark-Oh]

Zone defense is hurting this team badly. They want to work in the paint, but teams are crowding it and we can't make outside shoots. At the same time, we are not defending three point shots well. It seems like teams are getting wide open looks from outside throughout the game and they're able to knock them down. It's been this way all season.

Lanier is buried on the bench with a skill that's lacking in the line up. With Duncan out, they need to bring in players to space the floor. Until they get outside shooting going, breaking the zone is going to be very hard. The only player that doesn't nearly turn it over on every drive is Jenkins... Hopefully Ivey can start to take a bigger role shooting and provide better handles than he has so far.

Duren took the game off... I'd say they need to start Stew for effort, defense, and spacing. With Tobias off the bench we lose some offensive creation in the starting line up, but if the plan is to start Ivey, that should compensate.

[Moses ShamMoses]

Doesn't help the cause when Cade is shooting 29% 3PT this season. It's really the missing piece to his game.

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[bstein14]

If you took out Cade's 29% on 6.3 attempts per game, we'd actually be just above league average in 3 point shooting. Obviously Duncan is important to that, but LeVert, Stew, Reed are also all shooting over 40% and Tobias is over 38%.

Ausar has actually got himself up to an almost respectable 33.3% and I think that could continue to rise closer to 35% as the year goes on.

We're making 36.8% of the threes besides what Cade has taken, and this year on average the league is shooting 35.9% thus far which is down slightly from the past two seasons. We're 35.1% if you include Cade into the equation so we're slightly below average factoring him in, and we're slightly above average besides him.

For comparison's sake, last year the Pistons shot 36.2% from deep including Cade's 35.6% on 6.0 attempts per game.

[Rip32]

TURNOVERS are the problem! The Pistons are committing way too many and a lot of times this is leading to easy baskets for the opponent!

[Kalamazoo317]

If you took out Cade's 29% on 6.3 attempts per game, we'd actually be just above league average in 3 point shooting. Obviously Duncan is important to that, but LeVert, Stew, Reed are also all shooting over 40% and Tobias is over 38%.

Ausar has actually got himself up to an almost respectable 33.3% and I think that could continue to rise closer to 35% as the year goes on.

We're making 36.8% of the threes besides what Cade has taken, and this year on average the league is shooting 35.9% thus far which is down slightly from the past two seasons. We're 35.1% if you include Cade into the equation so we're slightly below average factoring him in, and we're slightly above average besides him.

For comparison's sake, last year the Pistons shot 36.2% from deep including Cade's 35.6% on 6.0 attempts per game.

Ausar turns down too many open corner threes for that percentage to have any gravity. But, agreed that our shooting percentages are manageable if Cade can get his to the level they should be at.

[Fennis Dembo]

TURNOVERS are the problem! The Pistons are committing way too many and a lot of times this is leading to easy baskets for the opponent!

Not just turnovers, but unforced turnovers. Don't know if anyone keeps that stat. There was one turnover lastnight that looked like some middle school ish.

[Dark-Oh]

TURNOVERS are the problem! The Pistons are committing way too many and a lot of times this is leading to easy baskets for the opponent!

In addition to below average ball handling (away from Jenkins), the TOs are also greatly influenced by the lack out outside shooting. They don't have to spread the floor, so they can reach into the passing lanes too easy. Beasley would help a lot.

Cade jacks them up, but they want him to. Other than Duncan, there are no players who will fire it in high volume if they get an opening. So they're not respecting it and that's leading to a lot of offensive problems.

[Cowology]

Shooting IS a problem but just having a healthy Duncan & Ivey will essentially take care of that. We don't need elite shooting up & down the roster, you just need enough to essentially zone bust. Duncan (and/or Beasley) fill that purpose, but I think Ivey is also capable once he gets his legs under him. People are worried about Ivey's defense instead of recognizing that he can essentially fill the Beasley role with better athleticism.

But we gotta figure out some roster combinations that work and this 11-12 deep thing has to eventually go away. Ivey is probably still a few weeks away from really getting some type of rhythm, but he's a 40+% shooter from deep.

My assumption is that once we cross the trade moratorium (Dec 15) some of this nonsense will stop, but right now we're in a weird spot with rotations.

[bstein14]

Shooting IS a problem but just having a healthy Duncan & Ivey will essentially take care of that. We don't need elite shooting up & down the roster, you just need enough to essentially zone bust. Duncan (and/or Beasley) fill that purpose, but I think Ivey is also capable once he gets his legs under him. People are worried about Ivey's defense instead of recognizing that he can essentially fill the Beasley role with better athleticism.

But we gotta figure out some roster combinations that work and this 11-12 deep thing has to eventually go away. Ivey is probably still a few weeks away from really getting some type of rhythm, but he's a 40+% shooter from deep.

My assumption is that once we cross the trade moratorium (Dec 15) some of this nonsense will stop, but right now we're in a weird spot with rotations.

Part of me feels that Ivey's best way to fit in with this current team is really be able to sit in the corner and shoot 8 threes a night and make 3 of them... I'm ok if that's his role much of the time, and then he continues to work on more over time.

If we have a 10 man rotation I'm ok if Ivey is our 9th or 10th worst defender.... but you also can't pay him $20 million a year for that role. Guards who don't defend well aren't paid well unless they can shoot the lights out or they are really great on offense. He's got a $13.4 million QO. Unless he really shows some improvement, I think he accepts his QO (rather than something like 4 years $60 million) and he becomes a UFA in 2027.

[Cowology]

Shooting IS a problem but just having a healthy Duncan & Ivey will essentially take care of that. We don't need elite shooting up & down the roster, you just need enough to essentially zone bust. Duncan (and/or Beasley) fill that purpose, but I think Ivey is also capable once he gets his legs under him. People are worried about Ivey's defense instead of recognizing that he can essentially fill the Beasley role with better athleticism.

But we gotta figure out some roster combinations that work and this 11-12 deep thing has to eventually go away. Ivey is probably still a few weeks away from really getting some type of rhythm, but he's a 40+% shooter from deep.

My assumption is that once we cross the trade moratorium (Dec 15) some of this nonsense will stop, but right now we're in a weird spot with rotations.

Part of me feels that Ivey's best way to fit in with this current team is really be able to sit in the corner and shoot 8 threes a night and make 3 of them... I'm ok if that's his role much of the time, and then he continues to work on more over time.

If we have a 10 man rotation I'm ok if Ivey is our 9th or 10th worst defender.... but you also can't pay him $20 million a year for that role. Guards who don't defend well aren't paid well unless they can shoot the lights out or they are really great on offense. He's got a $13.4 million QO. Unless he really shows some improvement, I think he accepts his QO (rather than something like 4 years $60 million) and he becomes a UFA in 2027.

I absolutely agree that Ivey should be taking 8+ 3's a game. He needs to sort of morph into a volume shooter in order to open both his and the rest of the teams offense. Stop trying to make him a lead guard. Use him like Beasley/Duncan and eventually the other stuff will come.

[Rip32]

TURNOVERS are the problem! The Pistons are committing way too many and a lot of times this is leading to easy baskets for the opponent!

In addition to below average ball handling (away from Jenkins), the TOs are also greatly influenced by the lack out outside shooting. They don't have to spread the floor, so they can reach into the passing lanes too easy. Beasley would help a lot.

Cade jacks them up, but they want him to. Other than Duncan, there are no players who will fire it in high volume if they get an opening. So they're not respecting it and that's leading to a lot of offensive problems.

Yeah but Beasley ain't coming back this year. A trade will have to be made imo

[Cowology]

We have too many guys who need minutes AND have a couple of clear needs. I don't know if it will be big or small, but I'd be shocked if we didn't make some type of move.

I get wanting to be patient & develop guys, but there are also times to be aggressive. If we're going to make a move regardless, I'd like to see us be aggressive & do it quickly. More time for the team to gel before the post-season run.

Honestly though, I feel more pressured by the roster congestion than an actual need. I want a clearer pecking order.

[MrBigShot]

If we're going to do anything with this core over the next few years Cade has to get better at shooting, point blank. 29% from deep is Josh Smith levels of bad. He shot just under 36% the previous 2 year so he's not THIS bad, but he's gotta be better.

And the thing is that he gets a lot of quality looks from deep. HIs size/length allows him to get clean looks, or often it's an open spot up attempt. So many of his misses come up short, and he rarely even takes deep threes. Needs to work with a shooting coach to optimize his release.

[BadMofoPimp]

Bease has been staying in Detroit and made references to Detroit many times. He will be back if his legal issues get resolved. Will be nice if it happens. Will make for a fun playoff run.

[joedumars1]

Just seems they aren’t doing the same things now as they did on the streak, tough defense and going inside scoring. With Tobias and Ivey added in, just think they trying to find a rhythm, but it seemed they had an identity there for a second, tough d, fast breaking paint scoring. I have to admit only watched a little bit of the last 4 games, but that’s how it seems to me, not as in your face and not getting in the paint as much or maybe just not making them idk

[tmorgan]

Bease has been staying in Detroit and made references to Detroit many times. He will be back if his legal issues get resolved. Will be nice if it happens. Will make for a fun playoff run.

Just wanted to tell you you put Ausar in your sig and spelled his name wrong.

[DetroitSho]

TURNOVERS are the problem! The Pistons are committing way too many and a lot of times this is leading to easy baskets for the opponent!

Not just turnovers, but unforced turnovers. Don't know if anyone keeps that stat. There was one turnover lastnight that looked like some middle school ish.

Was it the one Paul Reed just refused to outlet the basketball to Ivey 7 feet away to throw it up 40 feet away to apparently the hands growing out of Cade's back?

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[Canadafan]

I absolutely agree that Ivey should be taking 8+ 3's a game. He needs to sort of morph into a volume shooter in order to open both his and the rest of the teams offense. Stop trying to make him a lead guard. Use him like Beasley/Duncan and eventually the other stuff will come.

Yep. With Duncan out, ivey should start and fill that role as our shooter. The kid can shoot.
Jenkins should strictly be backing up Cade at PG with Levert playing strictly backup SG.
Once Duncan comes back, we can trade Levert

[Patrick27]

People are worried about Ivey's defense instead of recognizing that he can essentially fill the Beasley role with better athleticism.

Ivey is probably still a few weeks away from really getting some type of rhythm, but he's a 40+% shooter from deep.

He is not a Beasley replacement, and he does not shoot 40+% from deep. He did on a limited sample size last season, but he's 33.3% this year and 35.1% for his career.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iveyja01.html

[Snakebites]

Duncan Robinson has been a very good shooter for us, but a role player of his caliber should not be THIS critical to our overall spacing.

We absolutely need more shooting.

I think the Bucks game demonstrated that we're simply too easy to guard at times, and spacing is a major part of that given the effectiveness teams have found with zone defense against us.