Anthony Davis Trade

[Dark-Oh]

There are a lot of headlines about the Pistons being interested in Anthony Davis. I'm not opposed to having him on the team, but what it would take to get him is a concern to me. They (Mavs) would have to take a big bite out of the manure sandwich of a contract and not ask for much in return player wise.

We are a deep team and don't have minutes for all those who deserve them. Guys who are expendable: Sasser, Reed, Ivey, Levert, and maybe Holland. It would probably require Tobias to make it work for salaries.

Trading away our depth to get a hall of famer would need to put us in position to win this year. I'm not in favor of this deal if we have to give up more than Ivey and Tobias. AD is better than Tobias and we haven't really needed Ivey.

[Absolutia]

If it was just for this year I could accept having a punt on AD, but taking his contract would reduce our opportunity to make a more permanent upgrade over the next couple of seasons.

[MotownMadness]

Davis just can’t be relied upon. Ivey and Harris for Davis sounds pretty cheap though.

[chrbal]

If we could somehow preserve him until the playoffs, I would possibly do it. I really hope we don’t though.

The way the Bulls do things, it seems almost inevitable that he goes to them.

[Kalamazoo317]

Could we put "Potential" or something like that in the title? I don't need these heart problems

[BadMofoPimp]

If the Mavs attach a future first or two, I would think about it.

[Neptune]

Hell No!

[Mr Peanut]

Beyond the availability issues, the contract will be crippling. He has a player option for 63M in two years during a season where he will turn 35. Given we have Cade, Duren's upcoming contract, a possible Ausar extension and needing to round out our roster with other contributors (not to mention Ivey) we will become very limited financially in the apron era if we take on AD.

[dVs33]

I'm definitely not on team AD.
His deal is way too big and he wants a bigger extension. No thanks

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[Kilo]

An extension demand is a deal breaker for any interest in him.

[Moses ShamMoses]

Blake Griffin 2.0 no thanks. We'd maybe get 1-2 good years from him if we were lucky. I wouldn't trade anything of value. Cap fodder and second rounders? Sure why not.

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[Dark-Oh]

Blake Griffin 2.0 no thanks. We'd maybe get 1-2 good years from him if we were lucky. I wouldn't trade anything of value. Cap fodder and second rounders? Sure why not.

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Tobias, Ivey, trade exception, Sasser, and a couple picks might do it. AD is a great defender and has a similar offensive effect as Tobias. If he can stay healthy, it's a big upgrade to the PF spot. I have no issue with extending him on a deal that makes sense. If he wants HOF money, he'll have to play for HOF incentives...65 games minimums, top 3 DPOY every year, first team all defense, 28 minutes PG, and at least three stocks per game. If he makes the incentives, pay the man. If not, $15m per year is fair for us.

[Kalamazoo317]

It's a big upgrade at the PF spot unless you care about spacing, availability, contract flexibility, or team chemistry.

[chrbal]

It's a big upgrade at the PF spot unless you care about spacing, availability, contract flexibility, or team chemistry.

…..availability, sustained success. (Edit) I messed up, but it honestly kind of needs to be mentioned twice

[Billl]

It's kinda crazy that he's only 32. Seems like he's been in the league forever.

I really don't understand the argument that he isn't a good fit skill wise. He's a rangy shot blocker on defense and has a great inside outside game on offense. Not a volume 3 point shooter, but teams guard him out on the floor.

Obviously, he's got injury issues, so I wouldn't mortgage the future for him, but he's a legit all-star level 4.

[Invictus88]

It's kinda crazy that he's only 32. Seems like he's been in the league forever.

I really don't understand the argument that he isn't a good fit skill wise. He's a rangy shot blocker on defense and has a great inside outside game on offense. Not a volume 3 point shooter, but teams guard him out on the floor.

Obviously, he's got injury issues, so I wouldn't mortgage the future for him, but he's a legit all-star level 4.

Given that he's making 54 million this year and averaging 60 million the following 2 years I think it's impossible not to mortgage the future for him... directly or indirectly.

In order to acquire him you need to make the dollar amounts close.
Dallas is going to want positive value back in return given they gave up Luka for this guy (no matter how dumb that trade was).
Having to pay those big dollar amounts for his contract means less dollars to spend extending our own talent right?

Games played per season since age 25:
56, 62, 36, 40, 56, 76, 51, (15 games missed this year out of 25)

The cost is just too high. Pass.

[Billl]

It's kinda crazy that he's only 32. Seems like he's been in the league forever.

I really don't understand the argument that he isn't a good fit skill wise. He's a rangy shot blocker on defense and has a great inside outside game on offense. Not a volume 3 point shooter, but teams guard him out on the floor.

Obviously, he's got injury issues, so I wouldn't mortgage the future for him, but he's a legit all-star level 4.

Given that he's making 54 million this year and averaging 60 million the following 2 years I think it's impossible not to mortgage the future for him... directly or indirectly.

In order to acquire him you need to make the dollar amounts close.
Dallas is going to want positive value back in return given they gave up Luka for this guy (no matter how dumb that trade was).
Having to pay those big dollar amounts for his contract means less dollars to spend extending our own talent right?

Games played per season since age 25:
56, 62, 36, 40, 56, 76, 51, (15 games missed this year out of 25)

The cost is just too high. Pass.

I'm not saying we should do it, but tobias + lavert = 40M It's up to 125% now, right. So that's up to 50M coming back. We don't need to add *that* much more salary beyond those 2. And then ownership has to be willing to shell out some cash still to resign the young guys. Obviously, you don't start bidding multiple young players and picks, but that's more about the negotiation with dallas vs would AD fit here.

[Kalamazoo317]

It's kinda crazy that he's only 32. Seems like he's been in the league forever.

I really don't understand the argument that he isn't a good fit skill wise. He's a rangy shot blocker on defense and has a great inside outside game on offense. Not a volume 3 point shooter, but teams guard him out on the floor.

Obviously, he's got injury issues, so I wouldn't mortgage the future for him, but he's a legit all-star level 4.

He's attempting about 2 three pointers a game this season

[Invictus88]

It's kinda crazy that he's only 32. Seems like he's been in the league forever.

I really don't understand the argument that he isn't a good fit skill wise. He's a rangy shot blocker on defense and has a great inside outside game on offense. Not a volume 3 point shooter, but teams guard him out on the floor.

Obviously, he's got injury issues, so I wouldn't mortgage the future for him, but he's a legit all-star level 4.

Given that he's making 54 million this year and averaging 60 million the following 2 years I think it's impossible not to mortgage the future for him... directly or indirectly.

In order to acquire him you need to make the dollar amounts close.
Dallas is going to want positive value back in return given they gave up Luka for this guy (no matter how dumb that trade was).
Having to pay those big dollar amounts for his contract means less dollars to spend extending our own talent right?

Games played per season since age 25:
56, 62, 36, 40, 56, 76, 51, (15 games missed this year out of 25)

The cost is just too high. Pass.

I'm not saying we should do it, but tobias + lavert = 40M It's up to 125% now, right. So that's up to 50M coming back. We don't need to add *that* much more salary beyond those 2. And then ownership has to be willing to shell out some cash still to resign the young guys. Obviously, you don't start bidding multiple young players and picks, but that's more about the negotiation with dallas vs would AD fit here.

That only addresses the one concern. The rest remain.

[Dark-Oh]

I just read a tweet from Omari Sankofa saying the Pistons have had talks with Dallas about the trade. If true, it's kind of surprising. I assume they're not looking to unload him for a bag of doughnuts...they will want something significant back. If they'll take Ivey or LeVert, Tobias, and the trade exception, this is a deal worth considering. If they want Ausar or Duren, no way. I'd part with Tobias, Ivey, Levert, Sasser, Reed, Lanier, and Tulu...any of them or all of them. I'd be reluctant to give up Holland. I wouldn't part with Cade, Ausar, Duren, or Jenkins. I'd throw in a couple of first rounders if we can keep Holland.

PG: Cade/Jenkins
SG: Duncan/Jenkins
SF: Ausar/Holland
PF: Davis/Stew
C: Duren/Stew

That's a blow to our depth, but now we have two all stars (possibly three with Duren) and we keep the young core intact for the most part. We lose Ivey who might already be the odd man out. Maybe we'd keep Reed and/or Sasser for depth? If so, this is something to think long and hard about...

Davis is a real shot blocker which we don't have. Everyone thinks Stew is, but he is not. He contests dunks at the rim. He's not doing what Wemby or Gobert defending shots within 5-10 feet of the rim. Davis is a better offensive threat than Tobias.

The real concerns are:
What do we have to give up?
Will the contract cripple us?
Will Davis be healthy enough to make a different?