Memo?

Master Shake · Post #1 » by **Master Shake** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:16 am

He's probably available. He's really struggling this year, change of scenery might help?

That contract is kind of ugly, we'd have to give up a lot of salary.

HeroicKennedy · Post #2 » by **HeroicKennedy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:17 am

You mean Okur? Naw, he's already peaked, me thinks.

bstein14 · Post #3 » by **bstein14** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:23 am

It all depends on the price.

He is actually a Flip Saunders type player moreso than Sloan or Larry Brown.

That said, he was an all-star center last year so he'd cost us too much, even tho he's had some struggles this year.

Hunter · Post #4 » by **Hunter** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:25 am

Doubt we'd even have what the Jazz would want.

HeroicKennedy · Post #5 » by **HeroicKennedy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:27 am

I still say we go big and make a deal for Gasol.

Send Prince, Rasheed, maybe an expiring or a pick and land the big man. It solves so many problems:

The log jam at SF (Hayes would start and play 24-26 minutes leaving Amir, Afflalo and Hermann with 22-24)

Making our frontcourt younger (I don't like the idea of having two 34 year olds out there next season)

Gives us a legit center.

Hunter · Post #6 » by **Hunter** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:37 am

HeroicKennedy wrote:I still say we go big and make a deal for Gasol.

Send Prince, Rasheed, maybe an expiring or a pick and land the big man. It solves so many problems:

The log jam at SF (Hayes would start and play 24-26 minutes leaving Amir, Afflalo and Hermann with 22-24)

Making our frontcourt younger (I don't like the idea of having two 34 year olds out there next season)

Gives us a legit center.

I'm not sure I'd call Gasol a legit center. He's another one of those guys like Sheed or JO that is able to masquerade as a center, but it's really not the ideal situation for them.

Not sure why Memphis would have any interest in Prince (they have Miller & Gay) or why they'd want Sheed (he'll be more appealing next year as an expiring).

I'd love to have Pau too, but that's not the answer.

HeroicKennedy · Post #7 » by **HeroicKennedy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:44 am

There just has to be a point where Dumars pulls a Dave Dombrowski and bets the farm on someone for the next 3-4 years (that's how long I think the Tiger's window is open). He can't just hold onto these starters forever.

Hunter · Post #8 » by **Hunter** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:47 am

^You'll get no argument from me. I've been looking for him to make that move for the past 2 seasons. :dontknow:

nasty daddy · Post #9 » by **nasty daddy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:31 am

No thank you, been there done that with him in the past. Only thing that has changed is that he is older and suffered a injury.

srt4b · Post #10 » by **srt4b** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:02 pm

Can Okur play the 3?

Post #11 » by **ajaX82** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:53 pm

The thought of all 5 players on the floor looking to shoot 3's and not rebound scares me to death.

Another soft center who hovers around the arch all day is our solution?

HeroicKennedy · Post #12 » by **HeroicKennedy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:45 pm

Hunter wrote:^You'll get no argument from me. I've been looking for him to make that move for the past 2 seasons.

The problem is that there hasn't been anyone on the trading block or available that would be worth making a big trade for. The only ones I can think of were Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant, with both teams wanting a ridiculous amount of players and draft picks.

The key is to find a team either declining or not playing well enough to justify keeping their stars, like Philadelphia, Charlotte, New York (yes, them), or even Washington (they might be hard-pressed to find a way to bring back Arena). They'll take young, cheap talent and expiring contracts because they want to rebuild. That's how we got Miggy and Dontrelle from the Marlins. They weren't good enough to justify keeping them, and they wanted young, cheap talent to build around.

Of course, there's more players to be traded in the MLB than NBA, but we have so many young potentially talented players:
Samb
Stuckey
Afflalo
Maxiell
Amir

That they could catch the eyes of some rebuilding team. I'd love for us to somehow bring in AI (from Philly) while keeping Hamilton, but I don't think we can do it.

nasty daddy · Post #13 » by **nasty daddy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:53 pm

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695242843,00.html

HE SUGGESTED IT: ESPN.com's John Hollinger in an online chat: "What about trading (center Mehmet) Okur and playing smaller with (Kirilenko) at the 4? That's where he had the most success in past seasons, and it creates more minutes to play Korver as a shooter and spread out the opponents' D."

Okur for whom?

"You'd be trying to get a small forward to start ahead of Korver and use (Korver) 25 minutes off the pine," Hollinger said. "(Kirilenko) will take care of some of the D because he'll block a ton of shots if you move him back to the 4, but yes, it would leave them a bit short in terms of post defenders. Gotta give up something to get something."

Post #14 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:00 am

Im confused. A few years ago leaving Detroit was the change of scenary Memo needed to get his career going.

Now, returning to Detroit is the change of sceneary he needs to get back to his peak?

Pistons#1 is confused, and it is his opinion that the logic in the initial suggestion is flawed.

In any event, I dont see a deal for Okur helping us. If were gonna add a big guy, it should be a tough inside presence, not an outside shooter. Adding Okur doenst fill any need for this team.

Master Shake · Post #15 » by **Master Shake** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:28 am

Yea, Memo needed his change of scenery to get his career going. And yes, a change of scenery now could help get his career back on track. How is that logic flawed again?

He plays for a coach named Jerry Sloan, aka, the most hated coach in all of basketball. What Memo needed to get his career going, Playing Time. Playing behind Wallace X2 wasn't going to get it done.

Now that Jerry Sloan may have worn on Memo, the team is struggling, his role is being questioned, AK 47 might move to the 4 and Boozer to the 5, why is a change of scenery a flawed suggestion?

Playing for a new coach, and a new team could light a fire under his ass... again, how is that flawed?

Post #16 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:03 pm

Master Shake wrote:Yea, Memo needed his change of scenery to get his career going. And yes, a change of scenery now could help get his career back on track. How is that logic flawed again?

He plays for a coach named Jerry Sloan, aka, the most hated coach in all of basketball. What Memo needed to get his career going, Playing Time. Playing behind Wallace X2 wasn't going to get it done.

Now that Jerry Sloan may have worn on Memo, the team is struggling, his role is being questioned, AK 47 might move to the 4 and Boozer to the 5, why is a change of scenery a flawed suggestion?

Playing for a new coach, and a new team could light a fire under his ass... again, how is that flawed?

Couple of things that need to be addressed here: Yes the coach is different, and Flip might be a little friendlier to his playing style than LB or Sloan had been. Ill give you that, but only to a point. Cant forget that Okur blossomed as a player under Sloan, which weakens this argument to a degree.

Additionally, he'd still be trying to work his way into an equally established 3-man frontcourt rotation as the one he played in before (since I doubt the Jazz would be looking to take one of our power forwards back in a deal). And his really big problem in his final year here was that Rasheed has a similar offensive game and better defense. Okur's numbers dropped towards the end of that season and during the title run in the playoffs, and its not coincidental.

And my point about the fact that he doesnt address a need for the Pistons still stands. We might be able to use another big guy, but it would be as a replacement to one we already have or a player on a smaller contract ideally. 9 mill is a lot to spend on a guy who doesnt improve our versatility (our current starting bigs can make jumpers, too).

Post #17 » by **theBigLip** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:15 pm

Utah is going to have to give Deron Williams a boatload of money soon, so they might want to move Okur to give them a break. I could see Amir($3.7), Hayes($1.2) and Primo($2.8) (as filler) getting it done, and it gets them a SF. I think that would be a reasonable trade, although I think Amir counts as 1/2 for BYC. Too lazy to use the trade checker, but something along these lines makes sense.

Uncle Mxy · Post #18 » by **Uncle Mxy** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:17 am

Master Shake wrote:Yea, Memo needed his change of scenery to get his career going. And yes, a change of scenery now could help get his career back on track. How is that logic flawed again?

What's notable here is that Memo's actually playing pretty well at home. It's his road play that's been craptacular. The changes of scenery haven't been doing him any favors this year.

srt4b · Post #19 » by **srt4b** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:40 am

NO MORE CHUKKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!