Stuckey=Carlos Arroyo

Chuck Nevicic · Post #1 » by **Chuck Nevicic** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:40 am

No jump shot.

Can get to the basket but can't finish.

Just stands around dribbling.

Another great Dumars draft pick.

princeofpalace · Post #2 » by **princeofpalace** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:43 am

Its 15 games into his career. How quickly we forget that the point guard position is the hardest to learn.

He clearly is not ready yet and IMO- doesnt really deserve to play over Afflalo. That being said- its crucial that he develops and Im glad to see him out there despite the fact that he's costing us games (IMO- He was a huge factor in losing the game tonight), in the end he will help win us some.

Hunter · Post #3 » by **Hunter** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:43 am

Chuck Nevicic · Post #4 » by **Chuck Nevicic** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:46 am

Great points, Hunter.

Joe Berry · Post #5 » by **Joe Berry** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:46 am

Chuck Nevicic wrote:No jump shot.

Can get to the basket but can't finish.

Just stands around dribbling.

Another great Dumars draft pick.

trade him for Cato and a first immediatley! :lol:

Big Steak · Post #6 » by **Big Steak** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:02 am

^ Lets do one better, lets trade him for Darko! :lol:

Champs04bigshot · Post #7 » by **Champs04bigshot** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:07 am

That is stupid to put a ceiling on a rookie with his skill set after 15 games. His talent is great he is a very good passer and he does have a jump shot the first thirteen games of his career he played with a brace on his hand. Not to mention he didnt have practice time since he was thrown right into the game. Carlos Arroyo is not what Stuckey will be. Why are you stuck on Afflalo name me one thing he does that is better than Stuckey. His offensive game is not and Stuckey averages two steals a game and plays with energy on defense. What does Afflalo bring to the table Stuckey doesnt? Stuckeys ball handling and passing ability makes the second unit go Afflalo couldnt run anything. I just dont see what you see he hustles on d well so does Stuckey and he gets into passing lanes and everything that Afflalo could do but better. Give it a rest he is a rookie who missed 25 games.

HeroicKennedy · Post #8 » by **HeroicKennedy** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:07 am

Hey, you know what makes sense!

Totally judging a player 15 games into his NBA career!

:roll:

GJense4181 · Post #9 » by **GJense4181** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:30 am

Arroyo was not a Joe Dumars draft pick?
Unless you're referring to how Joe has drafted Arron Afflalo deserving of a permanent rotation spot. Sammy Mejia who dominates the D-League, at the very least. Jason Maxiell, deserving of a STARTING spot. Amir Johnson, coveted by all teams. Alex Acker, tearing **** up in Europe. Darko Milicic, NBA starter. Carlos Delfino, valuable contributor to Toronto. Tayshaun Prince, starter since season two. Mehmet Okur, former all-star.
Not all of those draft picks have *worked out* for the Pistons, but Joe has only drafted two legitimate busts, Mateen Cleaves and Rodney White.

nasty daddy · Post #10 » by **nasty daddy** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:16 am

Give the guy a break, he is only just come back from breaking his hand. He is still learning the offense, if he is still playing like this in a month or two, then bitch about it.

#1stunna · Post #11 » by **#1stunna** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:00 am

I think hes alright for being a rook playing out of position. His pg skills were questionable in college so what do you expect out of him. Hes learning.

I do wonder if this is as athletic as he really is. I thought he was wade-ish. Hes quick off the dribble but a weak finisher. It seems like he has problems dunking in game. His vertical is weaker than I expected. He doesn't have to dunk but his lay-ups get blocked easy also. Maybe hes holding something back waiting for that hand to heal fully :dontknow:

It'll all get better in time. Atleast I hope

Chuck Nevicic · Post #12 » by **Chuck Nevicic** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:42 am

GJense4181 wrote:Arroyo was not a Joe Dumars draft pick?
Unless you're referring to how Joe has drafted Arron Afflalo deserving of a permanent rotation spot. Sammy Mejia who dominates the D-League, at the very least. Jason Maxiell, deserving of a STARTING spot. Amir Johnson, coveted by all teams. Alex Acker, tearing **** up in Europe. Darko Milicic, NBA starter. Carlos Delfino, valuable contributor to Toronto. Tayshaun Prince, starter since season two. Mehmet Okur, former all-star.
Not all of those draft picks have *worked out* for the Pistons, but Joe has only drafted two legitimate busts, Mateen Cleaves and Rodney White.

If you don't have the balls to admit Darko is a bust your opinion is worthless.

mattyj · Post #13 » by **mattyj** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:03 am

Champs04bigshot wrote:That is stupid to put a ceiling on a rookie with his skill set after 15 games. His talent is great he is a very good passer and he does have a jump shot the first thirteen games of his career he played with a brace on his hand. Not to mention he didnt have practice time since he was thrown right into the game. Carlos Arroyo is not what Stuckey will be. Why are you stuck on Afflalo name me one thing he does that is better than Stuckey. His offensive game is not and Stuckey averages two steals a game and plays with energy on defense. What does Afflalo bring to the table Stuckey doesnt? Stuckeys ball handling and passing ability makes the second unit go Afflalo couldnt run anything. I just dont see what you see he hustles on d well so does Stuckey and he gets into passing lanes and everything that Afflalo could do but better. Give it a rest he is a rookie who missed 25 games.

Getting steals DOES NOT make you a good defender...Look at Larry Hughes and Allen Iverson for starters...Also, Stuckey has 17 steals in 14 games, want to explain to me how that equals 2 steals per game??

Champs04bigshot · Post #14 » by **Champs04bigshot** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:28 am

mattyj wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Getting steals DOES NOT make you a good defender...Look at Larry Hughes and Allen Iverson for starters...Also, Stuckey has 17 steals in 14 games, want to explain to me how that equals 2 steals per game??

larry Hughes huh? Thats funny i remember him being a first team all defender so that is not a good comparison? I still hear people complaining about Stuckey every day when he doesnt play great but praise Afflalo. What has Afflalo done to make all of you think he should be in the rotation and that Stuckey hasnt showed you anything?

Hunter · Post #15 » by **Hunter** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:47 am

Champs04bigshot wrote:larry Hughes huh? Thats funny i remember him being a first team all defender so that is not a good comparison?

It was a crime he made 1st team all-defense.

Hughes is actually the perfect example of a guy who's numbers vastly exceeded his actual impact. He lead the league in steals by gambling, but his man to man defense was nothing more than average and for every steal he generated I'd be willing to bet he had at least 1 or 2 misses that gave his man a free pass into the lane. Which not only gives up points mind you, but puts your big men in a horrible position and unless you have a Big Ben or Camby behind you it's probably gonna get them into foul trouble.

Don't let his All-Defensive team selection fool you; Hughes is NOT a great defender and never has been.

*disclaimer*
Hughes does own Chauncey, but that's fairly typical of bigger defenders on him.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Stuckey is playing and I'm not sweating over some rookie bumps in the road. But there is no question in my mind that at the moment Afflalo is a much better man to man defender. That dude is an absolute pest in the Lindsey Hunter or Bruce Bowen mold. But at SG. The dude just gets right up in your grill and doesn't give you any room at all; but he's quick enough and has good enough instincts to anticipate and disrupt. I'm not saying he's as good as those guys obviously, but he has the sorta game. The trick is going to be for him to find his niche with his team, which is hard to do when we're trying to integrate Stuckey, who for better or worse is ultimately going to be more important due to his backing up the point and his slashing ability.

Master Shake · Post #16 » by **Master Shake** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:48 am

LMAO at this thread... seriously.

Chill people. I can't say anything that hasn't already been said... but 15 games, and you're ready to throw him under the bus like that? Sad. I really hope this isn't a new trend of posting from you Chuck, because this could dent your reputation.

Stuckey's a rookie, by the end of his rookie contract we're going to be calling for this kid to be starting over Billups...

Take a deep breath... a few bad games ain't nothin to worry about.

mattyj · Post #17 » by **mattyj** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:21 am

Champs04bigshot wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

larry Hughes huh? Thats funny i remember him being a first team all defender so that is not a good comparison? I still hear people complaining about Stuckey every day when he doesnt play great but praise Afflalo. What has Afflalo done to make all of you think he should be in the rotation and that Stuckey hasnt showed you anything?

As Hunter said, just because Hughes made all-D first team, does not make him a good defender...Do you watch basketball or just read box scores? Because youre coming off as if you are very un-educated basketball wise

Larry Hughes is a TERRIBLE defender, he gambles in passing lanes and leaves his man wide open all the time...I get a lot of steals when i play ball aswell but i wouldnt call myself a great defender

Also, you still never explained how 17/14=2?

Post #18 » by **ajaX82** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:45 am

He is a rookie. He will struggle. Every single rookie strugles.

Look at Durant out there in Seattle. He has put up some piss-poor games and is shooting god awful for the most part. But im thinking he is still gunna be kinda good, no?

Stop overreacting kids, he will turn it around

7r5ur · Post #19 » by **7r5ur** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:51 am

Copy and pasted from the other Stuckey thread...

Per Flip Saunders status quo, Rodney is not being used correctly. For some reason, once Flip got Rodney into a few practices he has managed to completely take away his aggressiveness by running the same iso crap over and over. Rodney's an off-the-ball spot up shooter now who just happens to dribble the ball up the floor.

How about this. Flip called Rodney the best pick and roll player on the team a couple weeks back, yet you could count on one hand the number of pick and rolls he has been involved in in the last 5 or so games.

Same old case of Flip trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. And his usual game of playing keep away from the young guy on offense. The guy should be driving into the lane at least every other possession when he's in the game, but Flip "genius" playbook would rather have iso-ing for 20 footers on the wings with the clock winding down.

srt4b · Post #20 » by **srt4b** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:43 am

[quote="Hunter"][/quote]

WTF is with the quotes?

I pretty much agree with Cow on this one.

Only thing I would add from the few games I have saw Stuckey play is that he seems to be pressing big time. It's like he wants to have a massive impact every play and he is playing out of control at times because of it.

Dude just needs to calm down and play naturally, if it isn't playing like a true PG than so be it. Combo guards can have huge success in todays NBA.

EDIT: damn another ballboy started this thread...what the hell?