theBigLip Piston Blowup plan for 2008-09

[theBigLip]

Of course I'm bored and also upset that we don't win every single game. So, I've come up with some ideas (inspired by the "Next Summer" thread).

1. Trade Chauncey for Bibby.
Bibby has just one more year after this year. He gets paid a little more and is not as talented, but it has to be done.

2. Trade RIP and McDyess for Iverson.
AI is slowing down and gets paid an obscene amount of money, but this should help Denver make the post AI transistion. It also gives us another contract that will expire after next year.

3. Let Hunter retire, Murray, Hayes, Herrman and Brezac can all move on.

2008-2009 will not be too bad, will have to get a couple of one year deals to fill in the holes, but we would still be competitve.
Bibby/Stuckey
Iverson/Affalo
Prince/???
Maxiell/Johnson
Wallace/Samb???

The awesome part of this is 2009-2010 season. Going into that season, we would only have $17mil committed, plus we would need to give Max and extension. That gives us huge room to sign some big free agents. We would still start with this roster:

Stuckey
Affalo
Prince
Maxiell (assume he extended)
Johnson

Add the best free agents to this we would be golden for years to come. Or save some cap space for the following year when Wade, LeBron and Bosh all become unrestricted free agents

[Hunter]

The part about trading Chauncey for Bibby made me throw up in my mouth a lil.

Honestly, I think cap space is overrated. How often do you see big name free agents actually gotten on the open market? Shaq is the one real exception and LA was a major draw for him.

I'm not gonna totally rip ya for this since, like you I get bored and times and write some really stupid ****. But this was not one of your better ideas.

[legacyinthemakin89c]

And Johnson isn't a center, I'm sorry, if he ever does get good enough to start for us, it'll be at the 3 or 4 spot, but no chance would he play the five. Imagine him, even a buff, body filled out him, trying to guard Dwight Howard, he would mowed over and grinded up on the ground after Howard stomped on him

[ajaX82]

Well while i like the thought of lots of cap room, hunter is right, its slightly overrated. And i dont think swapping Billups/Rip/Dice for Bibby/AI is really much of an upgrade, if one at all

[theBigLip]

And Johnson isn't a center,

Didn't mean to imply that, just wrote down the 5 guys that were left on the team

[roc]

Didn't mean to imply that, just wrote down the 5 guys that were left on the team

You forgot our future D12 stopper in the middle the one, the only... Cheikh Samb!

If I'm 'Blowing up the Pistons' the guy I target to build around is Gerald Wallace because he is the ultimate 'going to work, Piston's DNA' type player at a reasonable price and age and even more importantly my favorite player.

Charlotte does not have a great PG like Billups and could really use one to make a playoff push. We already won too many this year to have a shot at the ultimate Billups replacement in Rose however.

Last year I was targeting guys like Bynum. He was still a possibility then. This year he is untouchable for the most part unless a team drastically overpays. Who is this year's Bynum? I like SeanWilliams and Marvin Williams as possible bust out type young players.

It is fun to come up with theses scenarios from time to time even though we know Joe D would probably never even consider most of them.

Oh yeah... BIBBY??? *pukes in mouth ala Hunter*

As has been mentioned, the Free Agent market/cap room is way overated, unless your a team like LAL that has quite a bit to offer the pampered athlete.

[triplet1984]

here's my attempt at blowup up the team

The pre-requisite of this scenario is a playoff run which results in us going out like bitches in 6 games in the Semis or ECFs.

Sheed and filler for Amare or Marion (Phoenix would be sick with Sheed)
our interior defense would suck even more than it does now, but we know Flipdoesn't even understand how defense is supposed to work so he'll be thrilled to have Amare.

Start Maxiell, and let ALL of our expirings go and see if we can take a run at Josh Smith or Corey Maggette or Emeka Okafur (Smith/Maggette if we got Amare, Okafur if we got Marion)

Think about dealing some combination of Rip/Tay/picks for another scorer. Look to Utah as a team that we might be able to pry something away from since they are underperforming.

[theBigLip]

here's my attempt at blowup up the team

The pre-requisite of this scenario is a playoff run which results in us going out like bitches in 6 games in the Semis or ECFs.

Sheed and filler for Amare or Marion (Phoenix would be sick with Sheed)
our interior defense would suck even more than it does now, but we know Flipdoesn't even understand how defense is supposed to work so he'll be thrilled to have Amare.

Start Maxiell, and let ALL of our expirings go and see if we can take a run at Josh Smith or Corey Maggette or Emeka Okafur (Smith/Maggette if we got Amare, Okafur if we got Marion)

Think about dealing some combination of Rip/Tay/picks for another scorer. Look to Utah as a team that we might be able to pry something away from since they are underperforming.

Forgot about that one. Amare would look nice in the middle with our other guys, although that take up a chunk of that cap room....

[nasty daddy]

Chauncey for Mike Bibby, what the hell are you smokin theBigLip.

I would prefer Chauncey for Arroyo

[mercury]

Cap space may be slightly overarated for acquiring FA's but it's valuable for trades... teams are always looking for another team to take on some salary... typically giving up 1st rounders or more talent than they receive (Utah)....
As BigLip suggests it may be the quickest way to get back to the elite level for another long stretch.

[m23uza1hem36]

I dont think Chauncey is tradeable at all he just signed a huge contract to be with this even when he is on the bench for this team, he's a veteran that brings great thing's to this team, so I would take that out of the equation, I do think Mcdyess could be gone soon.

[Low-Ki]

Trade Chauncey Billups to the Denver Nuggets for Allen Iverson. Fire Flip Saunders and promote Terry Porter and keep Mike Curry unless Avery Johnson is scapegoated out of Dallas.

We need to up the intensity of this team. I believe a team takes on the personality of it's leader - and currently that's Chauncey Billups. An over-confident, friends with everybody, we beat ourselves fatcat. Some would say Rasheed is, but I think he's more of a classic right hand man. Imagine Sheed following Iverson's lead, imagine Wallace, Hamilton, McDyess, Prince, Maxey, Stuckey, Afflalo, Johnson all adopting Iverson's attitude/personality.

Iverson and Hamilton would start in the backcourt, however Stuckey could be brought in, shifting Iverson to the two-guard. Aaron Afflalo could also play alongside Iverson on occasion.

We'd probably have to give up another big peice because of the salary mismatch. Tay of McDyess(back to Denver) would probably have to be included. However we'd be losing too much talent in this exchange so Denver would have to include something as well either a first rounder and/or a rookie contract with upside.

Something like Chauncey Billups and Tay Prince to Denver for Allen Iverson, Linas Kleiza and a first rounder.

Go after Josh Childress with the full MLE(three years with player option fourth) and the starting SF spot.

Allen Iverson|Rodney Stuckey
Richard Hamilton|Aaron Afflalo
Josh Childress|Linas Kleiza
Jason Maxiell|Amir Johnson
Rasheed Wallace|Antonio McDyess

[theBigLip]

Billups to Denver is a very interesting idea. I'd rather move Dice along with Billups to get rid of two older guys at one time, and then we could keep Tay on our new-look team.

[Low-Ki]

Dice would make more sense going there as well because I don't know if Tay can play the 2-guard and Melo is going to play big minutes at SF.

With Kenyon Martin, Marcus Camby and Nene all having health issues/concerns, adding another big would probably be a bigger need for them.

However than that leaves us shallow at PF/Ce, and would eliminate Chillz as an option.

[roc]

Billups/Dice for AI/Linas won't work with Chauncey being BYC. We could add in Brezec and still it doesn't work. We would have to give up too much. Not a good idea.

I don't really think we would be better after such a deal anyway.

IF we are 'blowing it up' then I would rather target younger players that Joe D could build around for the future. It would mean being in the lotttery for a couple of years perhaps but Joe would get us back to the top in no time me thinks.

I don't really see us trading any of our core but it is fun to create scenarios none the less.

If I am motivated later I may post a massive blow it up deal.

[Low-Ki]

The Billups for Iverson deal wasn't a deal to do know, but rather a summer deal. Chauncey will lose the BYC status once the season ends.

Dumars tried to acquire Iverson once previously (damn you Matt Geiger) and I would just love the idea of Stuckey patterning himself more after AI than Billups.

Teams don't trade young studs for old studs. AI and Sheed would be expiring deals, if it didn't work out, both walk and we have a **** of capspace that off-season. You have a better chance of rebuilding though FA - landing the superstar there, then you do have trading for a young one.

[Train Wreck]

Wow....

Am I the only one that doesn't have a problem with being a very good team for a while even if they don't win another title?

I like watching good basketball...

If you could guarantee to me that a full blown rebuild would secure us another title in the not too distant future than I'd be all for it....

However, to rebuild with the hope that those players may one day get us to the level that we are at right now is Foolish, IMO. Relying on capspace is foolish....

Chauncey for Bibby? Really?

It's not like we can't ride these players out and than start the rebuilding if we wanted too in a few years.

Just let the contracts of the other players run out while slowing getting the youth to play bigger roles.... (Hope Amir is ready when Sheed's contract expires and so on)

[JustinSane]

If we're going to blow it up, I agree with r0cdogg. I don't think there are many options out there that would increase our chances of winning a championship this year or next, due to the chemistry this core has built over the last several years. If we don't like this group, the only decent option is to trade them off while they are still in their primes (particularly Rip and Prince) for younger players and/or picks and expiring contracts. The problem is that rebuilding teams probably would have little interest in trading away their young prospects when they wouldn't be contending anyway, so we'd have to find a team that could plausibly believe one or two of our veterans could put them over the top.

Edit: If we do want to blow it up, I'd look at something like Sheed for Kwame + Ariza or Kwame + Crittendon and a 1st. Sheed could put the Lakers over the top. Kwame expires and Ariza and Crittendon are both good. This frees up space for both Samb and Amir in the rotation. Obviously we aren't contending any more, but Stuckey-Afflalo-Ariza-Maxiell-Samb-Amir is a pretty decent young core. We could also get good value for Rip, Prince and next year Billups. I'm not in favor of this since I think we do have a shot this year, but if we were going to blow it up this is the type of thing I'd be looking at.

[NCHeels2008]

Chauncey for Mike Bibby, what the hell are you smokin theBigLip.

I would prefer Chauncey for Arroyo

i actually considered the same thing if we can get some of sactos cheap youth in the process

[NCHeels2008]

Billups to Denver is a very interesting idea. I'd rather move Dice along with Billups to get rid of two older guys at one time, and then we could keep Tay on our new-look team.