Dumars Ranked #2 in GM Efficiency behind Buford (SAS)

PistonsFanFromNJ · Post #1 » by **PistonsFanFromNJ** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:26 pm

Interesting article on GMs in the NBA and their success over the last 6 seasons. Dumars is ranked #2.

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=79

HeroicKennedy · Post #2 » by **HeroicKennedy** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:27 pm

Well, over the past 6 years, the only team that I can think of that's had more success is the Spurs.

Makes you think how really good this team is.

nasty daddy · Post #3 » by **nasty daddy** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:23 pm

http://blog.oregonlive.com/johncanzano/ ... ed_in.html

An NBA general manager sent me a link to a study on the basketball prospectus, which ranked the league's general managers using a variety of criteria including "payroll management."

wasn't so much interested in the stuff about Isiah Thomas, but I scrolled down and found the final rankings of the study, and the criteria used, interesting.

San Antonio's RC Buford and Detroit's Joe Dumars rank Nos. 1-2. Blazers GM Kevin Pritchard ends up a respectable 23, and rising. Former Blazers GM Bob Whitsitt is ranked No. 25. Ex-GM John Nash is No. 49. And former Blazers' GM Steve Patterson is at No. 51 of the 53 ranked.

OneBadMutha · Post #4 » by **OneBadMutha** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:26 am

Buford is over-rated. He didn't draft Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, or Bowen. All he's had to do is find veteran role players who were willing to take a pay cut to join the Duncan bandwagon. Buford gets way too much credit.

Dumars had to build his thing from the ground up when even the owner was on TV complaining that NBA players wouldn't come to Detroit because of the weather.

PistonsFanFromNJ · Post #5 » by **PistonsFanFromNJ** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:31 am

True. The team that Dumars took over was complete crap (outside of Hill).

mattyj · Post #6 » by **mattyj** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:54 am

OneBadMutha wrote:Buford is over-rated. He didn't draft Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, or Bowen. All he's had to do is find veteran role players who were willing to take a pay cut to join the Duncan bandwagon. Buford gets way too much credit.

Dumars had to build his thing from the ground up when even the owner was on TV complaining that NBA players wouldn't come to Detroit because of the weather.

i agree he's over-rated...and even if he did draft Duncan, that was a no brainer and you shouldnt get credit for that anyway

PistonsFanFromNJ · Post #7 » by **PistonsFanFromNJ** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:15 pm

RC Buford History:

http://www.hoopshype.com/general_managers/rc_buford.htm

Dumars:

http://www.hoopshype.com/general_manage ... dumars.htm

PistonsFanFromNJ · Post #8 » by **PistonsFanFromNJ** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:22 pm

Hoopshype say RC Buford's best transaction:

Signed Ginoboli

Dumar's:

Trade for Rasheed

chrbal · Post #9 » by **chrbal** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:26 am

How in the world did Kevin McHale get 27th? I guess it means others have done worse in less time or something. Basically the only good thing he ever did was draft Garnett.

Everything else is meh.

srt4b · Post #10 » by **srt4b** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:22 am

PistonsFanFromNJ wrote:Hoopshype say RC Buford's best transaction:

Signed Ginoboli

Dumar's:

Trade for Rasheed

both moves=rings

can't argue that.

Rasheeed!!! · Post #11 » by **Rasheeed!!!** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:59 am

those results = BS

3 Danny Ferry CLE

his best work is re-signing Big Z, there's a no brainer. He's also responsible for Larry Hughes (and letting LBJ go in 2010)

seriously ?

Post #12 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:09 am

PistonsFanFromNJ wrote:True. The team that Dumars took over was complete crap (outside of Hill).

Hill was an FA when Dumars came on, and his leaving was a pretty safe bet early in the offseason.

What Dumars inherited was absolute crap. Laettner, Stack, Vaught, Hunter, Curry et. al.

Laettner, Hunter, and Vaught were all jettisoned for various expiring deals, and he got B Wall and Chucky off the Magic. We still sucked the next year, but in retrospect he did a decent job that offseason setting us up for future opportunity.

bstein14 · Post #13 » by **bstein14** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:52 pm

Spurs GM is overrated.

People want to go to a team with nice weather, no state income taxes, and one of the best ever to play the game in Duncan.

GMs who made teams into champions?

Dumars without a doubt.

Who was the Lakers GM that signed Shaq and traded for Kobe?

Who was the Heat GM that drafted Wade, and traded for Shaq?

Inheriting a team with one of the all-time greats doesn't make you a great GM.

Chuck Nevicic · Post #14 » by **Chuck Nevicic** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:12 pm

Joe has been so efficient as GM I think we should have him step down and become assistant GM. Have Hammond run things and in a pinch we can have Joe step in and be our super sub in the front office.

tmorgan · Post #15 » by **tmorgan** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:52 am

Chuck Nevicic wrote:Joe has been so efficient as GM I think we should have him step down and become assistant GM. Have Hammond run things and in a pinch we can have Joe step in and be our super sub in the front office.

That horse isn't just dead, it's decomposing.