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I think this trade is great for both teams... It will help Memphis rebuild, with young talent, give them the expiring contracts they are looking for , and provide Detroit with the missing piece to our puzzle!!!

Trade ID #4514412
Memphis Gets:
1) Primoz Prezec
2) Walter Hermann
3) Flip Murray
4) Jarvis Hayes

Detroit Gets:
1) Mike Miller

That's the kind of trade I've been expecting the Pistons to try to do before the deadline. I'll be honest, I don't know what kind of contract Miller has, but as long as it's not something that would throw the Pistons deep into the luxury tax or prevent them from resigning any of their main players, it's the kind of deal they should at least be inquiring about.

Miller's contract is over 9 million a year. No way you give that kind of money to a bench player. He's got two more years after this. It would force Dumars to dump other salary after this season. The reasons why Memphis would trade Miller are the exact same reasons why Detroit can't trade for him.

Yeah I think the only way we would trade for Miller would be if he was going to be starting for us. He just makes too much money.

He's a high % shooter, but that's not really a big need of ours. We could certainly give Rip a few more touches.

Ahhh, I never realized that he made that much money... No Thanks, but thats definitly the type of player we would like.

The thought of Mike Miller spelling Rip and Tay both makes sense. He gets his minutes, and both them get theirs.

I know AA suffers, but im willing to ignore him for a title.

Im not saying i would, but damn thats inticing

OneBadMutha wrote:Miller's contract is over 9 million a year. No way you give that kind of money to a bench player. He's got two more years after this. It would force Dumars to dump other salary after this season. The reasons why Memphis would trade Miller are the exact same reasons why Detroit can't trade for him.

After the trade the Pistons would be paying 500,000 more than before. Fill the rest of the roster out with D-leaguers or minimum vets, and you end up only a couple million over what we're currently at (which would still put us in the middle of the league in overall payroll). I'd say it's worth it for the difference between Jarvis Hayes and Mike Miller.

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After the trade the Pistons would be paying 500,000 more than before. Fill the rest of the roster out with D-leaguers or minimum vets, and you end up only a couple million over what we're currently at (which would still put us in the middle of the league in overall payroll). I'd say it's worth it for the difference between Jarvis Hayes and Mike Miller.

This year 500,000 more... but next year we'd be paying alot more money and also way up into the tax.

This could could cost $15 million next year considering tax we'd pay and tax dollars we wouldn't get from other teams.

Miller is definately not a player I'd feel would put us over the top.

Heck, Afflalo might beat him out in a playoff series against Pierce, Allen and the Celtics for defensive reasons.

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This year 500,000 more... but next year we'd be paying alot more money and also way up into the tax.

This could could cost $15 million next year considering tax we'd pay and tax dollars we wouldn't get from other teams.

Huh?

With Chauncey, Rip, Tayhshaun, Sheed, Dice, Stuckey, Max, Miller, Amir, Afflalo, and Samb (our entire rotation plus Samb) under contract we'd be @ $62,837,079. The Tax is @ $67.9M this year, and will surely be more next year. Fill out the roster with a few Vet Minimum guys, D-Leaguers, and we're still under the tax.

Miller is definately not a player I'd feel would put us over the top.

Heck, Afflalo might beat him out in a playoff series against Pierce, Allen and the Celtics for defensive reasons.

Miller is definitely a huge leap over Jarvis Hayes. And AA is pretty good as a fill-the-gaps-with-the-starters guy, but Miller is capable of carrying the bench (or the starters) offensively. The 1-2 scoring punch of Stuckey's Slashing and Miller's shooting combined with Max/Amir hustling for boards/blocks would be tough to stop. It would be like having "good Jarvis" (We all know there are 2) almost every night.

I think a guy like Maggette makes a whole lot more sense than Miller. This team absolutely does not need another perimeter shooter, I don't care how well he shoots the 3. Adding a slasher like Maggette who can create his own and get to the line could put this team over the top. He'd put some pressure on Tay and Rip for minutes and get them to step up their games and intensity. His contract is reasonable and with just his player option after this season it would give Joe a lot of flexibility this summer.

Lebowski wrote:I think a guy like Maggette makes a whole lot more sense than Miller. This team absolutely does not need another perimeter shooter, I don't care how well he shoots the 3. Adding a slasher like Maggette who can create his own and get to the line could put this team over the top. He'd put some pressure on Tay and Rip for minutes and get them to step up their games and intensity. His contract is reasonable and with just his player option after this season it would give Joe a lot of flexibility this summer.

I agree maggette just looks like he would fit in your team.

Lebowski wrote:I think a guy like Maggette makes a whole lot more sense than Miller. This team absolutely does not need another perimeter shooter, I don't care how well he shoots the 3. Adding a slasher like Maggette who can create his own and get to the line could put this team over the top. He'd put some pressure on Tay and Rip for minutes and get them to step up their games and intensity. His contract is reasonable and with just his player option after this season it would give Joe a lot of flexibility this summer.

Unfortunately, all of these reasons are the same reasons why the Clippers won't move him for expirings alone. They'll want Max, Stuckey, or Amir and/or picks in return. Miller is being discussed because he is a viable option with expirings alone and maybe a late pick.

Also, I think while the starters could use a slasher, the bench needs a shooter. Stuckey, AA, Max, Amir... None of them are shooters. This is part of the problem with this team. No balance amongst the starters and bench. Starters are all slow-paced, veteran, layed back, jumpshooters. Bench is all young, energy, hustle, slashing. I think we'd be better with he lineups mixed up a bit.

BTW, Miller's Jumper/Inside shot ratio is 70:30 and he finishes 70.7% of his inside shots. Maggette is 64:36 and he finishes 68%. Both are great percentages and decent ratios, so I wouldn't consider Miller just a shooter. He can slash a bit as well.

I agree with the notion that the bench does need one solid shooter. Jarvis is the only shooter on the bench and he is inconsistent. If they could somehow get Miller without giving up too much (perhaps the expirings), I'd go for it.

What the hell are you guys talking about, the bench needs a shooter? Come playoff time how many minutes do you expect the bench to be playing as a unit? When the games start to matter and the rotation is cut to 7 or 8 players I'd much rather have a Maggette to mix with our 5 jump shooting starters than a Miller. The way I look at it is that getting either of these guys would give this team 6 starters and Maggette gives that group more balance than Miller. And although getting Maggette might require adding a pick, his contract would give Joe a little more wiggle room than Miller's.

Lebowski wrote:What the hell are you guys talking about, the bench needs a shooter? Come playoff time how many minutes do you expect the bench to be playing as a unit? When the games start to matter and the rotation is cut to 7 or 8 players I'd much rather have a Maggette to mix with our 5 jump shooting starters than a Miller. The way I look at it is that getting either of these guys would give this team 6 starters and Maggette gives that group more balance than Miller. And although getting Maggette might require adding a pick, his contract would give Joe a little more wiggle room than Miller's.

problem is, Donald Sterling loves Maggette and has said repeatedly that he won't trade him. I'm a big Clippers fan (they're my second favorite team), so I watch a lot of their games. Maggette has some definite strengths (the dribble penetration), but he has some definite weaknesses as well. His shot is sporadic, his defense is just average, and he turns the ball over quite a bit. It's like he has a one track mind- just put your head down and barrel to the basket- which leads to good things many times, bu also many charges and strips

Would Memphis really take that pile of crap for Miller? What's the "young talent to build around" the OP referred to?