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Pistons look set on standing still as trade deadline approac

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:46 am
by nasty daddy
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti ... 1/SPORTS03

Pistons president Joe Dumars' Blackberry probably is buzzing away today, ringing with calls from general managers across the NBA trying to gauge what he's willing to part with on the eve of the trade deadline. The answer? Not much. With the deadline looming at 3 p.m. Thursday, the Pistons remain steadfast that, while they'll always listen to and consider options to make the team better, they are not interested in breaking up their core nor parting with any young talent.

That means it's likely to be a quiet deadline day, and that's fine with the captain. "I'm extremely happy with what we've got," point guard Chauncey Billups said. "Our bench has been great. We don't need to talk about the starters, but our bench has been phenomenal. No moves would be great for me." The front office might not be seeking roster-overhauling trades, but minor moves certainly will get serious consideration. The Pistons have long been trying to find reserve guard Flip Murray a new home, without success. The difficulty comes in identifying the right partner. Murray, mired on the inactive list, has some value: He can be a scorer off the bench, and he has an expiring contract. But the Pistons cannot simply trade him for, say, a draft pick unless the other team has roster space and room under the salary cap (or a trade exception) to add his $1.8-million figure to the books. The Pistons could trade him for another player, but they would demand a similar expiring contract. That would be, more or less, a swapping of spare parts, so what's the point? If Murray can't be moved, Dumars said he won't necessarily waive him. Coach Flip Saunders said he and Dumars would try to figure out where Murray fits if he stays on the roster. Saunders said there's not room for Murray, Lindsey Hunter and rookie guards Rodney Stuckey and Arron Afflalo to all be in the rotation, but there could be scenarios when Murray is needed. "Especially with being able to put players on the inactive list on a game-to-game basis, there's going to be teams where they will be heavy in guards," Saunders said. "Maybe one of the bigs has to sit in that situation."

The team also will field offers for center Primoz Brezec, who has an expiring contract. But in any trade involving Brezec, the Pistons would want to get another big man with an expiring deal in return. It's another what's-the-point situation. The Pistons also have expiring contracts in Hunter and small forwards Jarvis Hayes and Walter Herrmann, but they are not likely to be dealt.Hunter, being in the latter stage of his career, likely would not report to another team. The Pistons are intrigued by Herrmann and want to retain his rights as he enters free agency this summer. And Hayes has proved to be a valuable scorer off the bench. Even if the Pistons don't make a move, they believe they have the roster necessary to compete for the NBA title. "I guess so," Rasheed Wallace said. "That's on management ... if they're going to bring someone else in. But with the guys now, I think we can."The Pistons will wait and watch Thursday -- and likely remain quiet. And they won't worry -- much, anyway -- as the rest of the league takes part in what could be a very active day."You can only worry about what you're doing," Saunders said. "Whenever you make moves, it's 50-50. Sometimes they work out, and sometimes they don't. Sometimes it works out in the short term, sometimes it doesn't work out in the short term but it works out in the long term. You have to wait and see how quickly guys can fit in."


Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:47 pm
by Low-Ki
I guess the Piston arrogance permeates right up to the front office. Let's just hope that's a smokescreen...

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:01 pm
by Chuck Nevicic
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:11 pm
by roc
Not suprising in the least. Joe D isn't the kind of guy to sign a Jarvis Hayes and then deal him mid season, same goes for Dice/Hunter.

Only pieces we have available in my mind (won't stop from having fun with unrealistic trade scenarios :wink: ) are the ones they mentioned, Murray and Brezec. I also think Herrmann could be added to that mix but I don't see anyone wanting either of the other 2 right now and apparantly they want to see what they have with Herrmann before making an underiformed move.

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:20 pm
by HeroicKennedy
Well, what do you expect? Teams aren't going to come out and make us good offers, so why should Dumars make a deal? Are there any players on the trading block that would be worth breaking up the core over?

Like I said, let's have confidence in this group we have right now. We are 39-14, after all.

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:27 pm
by Low-Ki
I expect us to try and win now, not worry about a back-up SF possibility NEXT SEASON, not worry about a #29 or #30 first round pick, and not worry about spending our 2008 MLE right now.

The window is closing on our starters and Joe seems more keen on being the Atlanta Braves then going for it now.

Untouchable players - Starters, Amir Johnson, Rodney Stuckey - That's it. I'd trade Maxey if we were getting an improvement big right now as I believe Maxey is a career sixth/seventh man and Amir will eventually be our PF of the future anyways. I'd trade Afflalo if we were getting a starting calibre 2/3 in return to back up both positions.

With our expirings, our first rounder, Minnesota 2009 second rounder, Jason Maxiell and Aaron Afflalo possibly available, I think we could get a good now piece. Play-off rotations are 8-9 deep, depth is only to save our starters legs for the play-offs.

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:35 pm
by HeroicKennedy
But what if our current team DOES give us the best chance to win? I mean, we have posted wins over Dallas, New Orleans, Los Angeles, San Antonio, etc.

This team NEEDED a youth movement. And the youth movement is part of the reason why we are so good this year. The Win-Now approach always leads to quick downfalls. Case in point: The Miami Heat. Don't sell your soul for a championship.

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:53 pm
by roc
Low-Ki wrote:Untouchable players - Starters, Amir Johnson, Rodney Stuckey - That's it.

I would also be willing to deal Dice in the right situation but I'm not Joe D.

I would probably deal anyone other than Stuckey/Amir if I thought the team really didn't have a chance for the title so as to get value before it is too late to do such. I have to admit though that I would love to keep our core until they retire if they wouldn't have a problem moving into bench positons when the time came for the youngins to take over.

I know Bipolar...

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:57 pm
by Liqourish
The Pistons are intrigued by Herrmann and want to retain his rights as he enters free agency this summer.


That speaks volumes to me. Herrmann is busting his ass and Flip just trusts Arvis over the new guy.

Herrmann is a restricted free agent and apparently he'll be our backup SF next year.

That also says to me that Joe plans on going big in the draft. No BPA, he's going for Hardin/Thompson/Jawai/Dorsey with #29 and the best wing available with #59.

2008-2009 Detroit Pistons

C. Billups/R. Stuckey
R. Hamilton/A. Afflalo
T. Prince/W. Herrmann
A. McDyess/J. Maxiell/A. Johnson
R. Wallace/#29 pick/C. Samb

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:18 pm
by mercury
Low-Ki wrote:I expect us to try and win now, not worry about a back-up SF possibility NEXT SEASON, not worry about a #29 or #30 first round pick, and not worry about spending our 2008 MLE right now.

The window is closing on our starters and Joe seems more keen on being the Atlanta Braves then going for it now.

Untouchable players - Starters, Amir Johnson, Rodney Stuckey - That's it. I'd trade Maxey if we were getting an improvement big right now as I believe Maxey is a career sixth/seventh man and Amir will eventually be our PF of the future anyways. I'd trade Afflalo if we were getting a starting calibre 2/3 in return to back up both positions.

With our expirings, our first rounder, Minnesota 2009 second rounder, Jason Maxiell and Aaron Afflalo possibly available, I think we could get a good now piece. Play-off rotations are 8-9 deep, depth is only to save our starters legs for the play-offs.

co-signed

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:16 pm
by theBigLip
I doubt we do anything either. One thing to remember, if we trade for someone now using those expiring deals, it will likely stop us from using our MLE next summer. I'd rather use the MLE.

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:21 pm
by Low-Ki
theBigLip wrote:I doubt we do anything either. One thing to remember, if we trade for someone now using those expiring deals, it will likely stop us from using our MLE next summer. I'd rather use the MLE.


I think we need a center going forward and we're not going to get one with the MLE or the first rounder. If we add the MLE and First rounder monies, that's about $7.5M we could trade for now.

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:30 pm
by mercury
Right... the MLE is a crap shoot... you're competing for the same 4 or 5 guys (maybe two decent centers)... The top players will demand the full length of the MLE term which puts you in a Nazr situation if he doesn't pan out.
I think now is the best time to take advantage of lotto bound teams dumping salary.... there are steals to be had (especially if you include a pick).

Another thing to consider is the "NOW" factor... if we come up short this year Joe may go into a mini blowup mode.... a player we add now could be the deciding factor for the trophy...
If we win it then we have more FA options for sign & trades (everybody loves a ship winner).

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:34 pm
by theBigLip
It's hard to say if one is better than the other. Who could we get now with expirings and a 1st versus who could we get this summer with the MLE? We're in competition either way.

We should have tried to get Gasol - that would have been significant. I don't see a whole lot out there that can help us. Maybe a Jeff Foster or a Mike Miller. But even if we get an established player to be a role player on our championship run, it will cost us some of our young guys who could benefit from some playoff experience. I just can't see Joe doing anything.

As for next summer with the MLE, I think it will be better than most expect. I posted on this some time ago, but 22 teams are over or near the lux tax threshhold, so the MLE could be powerful if you have room to use it. Someone like Josh Childress comes to mind.

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:11 pm
by nasty daddy
Liqourish wrote:
The Pistons are intrigued by Herrmann and want to retain his rights as he enters free agency this summer.


That speaks volumes to me. Herrmann is busting his ass and Flip just trusts Arvis over the new guy.

Herrmann is a restricted free agent and apparently he'll be our backup SF next year.

That also says to me that Joe plans on going big in the draft. No BPA, he's going for Hardin/Thompson/Jawai/Dorsey with #29 and the best wing available with #59.

2008-2009 Detroit Pistons

C. Billups/R. Stuckey
R. Hamilton/A. Afflalo
T. Prince/W. Herrmann
A. McDyess/J. Maxiell/A. Johnson
R. Wallace/#29 pick/C. Samb
I didn't notice that about Herrmann when i posted it, very interesting indeed.

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:13 pm
by nasty daddy
Only 1 hour and 41 min 10 seconds left until the trade deadline finishes now and counting.

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:19 pm
by Low-Ki
nasty daddy wrote:Only 1 hour and 41 min 10 seconds left until the trade deadline finishes now and counting.


What?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:25 pm
by nasty daddy
Low-Ki wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



What?
I could be wrong, but on ESPN they have a count down on their page.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/index

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:50 pm
by Low-Ki
Says 20 hours on my clock. I wonder if your Australian timezone is mucking with the works. I believe it's at 3pm EST tomorrow.

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:00 am
by theBigLip
Low-Ki wrote:Says 20 hours on my clock. I wonder if your Australian timezone is mucking with the works. I believe it's at 3pm EST tomorrow.


That's my understanding. Hard to imagine that we'll pull a move when we have the 2nd best record in the league, a deep bench, and a team with no chemistry problems. Flip Murray is the only thing I see being moved.