LT = older Reggie Bush?

randomhero423 · Post #1 » by **randomhero423** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:23 am

From watching both play, right now LT is obviously much better then Bush. But both can do everything (block, catch, run). In Bush's prime, do you think he'll be as good as LT is now?

Post #2 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:33 am

I think so, I hope so.

Doubt Reggie will ever get the TD record(which is an overrated record IMO) but as far as all purpose yards, and even more so as a game breaker I think he will be that good.

I'd be surprised if Reggie never gets a 1000/1000 season.

Oh, and you will be bashed for this methinks.

Edit: Here's some rookie stats.

Tomlinson:

339 carries, 1236 yards, 3.6 ypc, 59 catches, 367 yards.

398 touches, 1603 total yards, 4.02 yards per touch.

10 total touchdowns (all rushing), 8 total fumbles (5 lost)

Reggie:

155 carries, 565 yards, 3.6 ypc, 88 catches, 742 yards.

243 touches, 1307 total yards, 5.3 yards per touch

9 total touchdowns(6 rushing, 2 recieving, 1 punt return), 2 fumbles( both lost)

I left out Reggies kick and punt return yards.

Tomlinson played for a poor team, which probably hurt his stats, and Reggie had a really rough start to the year, but really came on strong.

Just some interesting stuff ya know? :dontknow:

Fatty · Post #3 » by **Fatty** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:42 am

Reggie really needs to buff up is he even hopes to be half of what Tomlinson is.

Post #4 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:49 am

Fatty wrote:Reggie really needs to buff up is he even hopes to be half of what Tomlinson is.

Really, Reggie's issue was never strength(he's really strong) the problem was the happy feet, and the indecisiveness along with the urges to bounce outside.

He seems to have solved it though, should be interesting to watch.

Post #5 » by **J.Kim** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:13 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Really, Reggie's issue was never strength(he's really strong) the problem was the happy feet, and the indecisiveness along with the urges to bounce outside.

He seems to have solved it though, should be interesting to watch.

Yeah, that's the biggest concern about Reggie. His happy feet.
That contributed to him being the worst significant-time running back during most of last season.

Towards the end of last season, he showed less of that and seemed to have some measure of success.

randomhero423 · Post #6 » by **randomhero423** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:19 am

i think bush defintely as the potential to be as good as LT.

it seems to me bush is more comfortable running the ball when he gets 15+ carries. i think once deuce is gone, bush will really shine as a RB.

PistonFan4Life · Post #7 » by **PistonFan4Life** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:20 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:I think so, I hope so.

Doubt Reggie will ever get the TD record(which is an overrated record IMO) but as far as all purpose yards, and even more so as a game breaker I think he will be that good.

I'd be surprised if Reggie never gets a 1000/1000 season.

Oh, and you will be bashed for this methinks.

Edit: Here's some rookie stats.

Tomlinson:

339 carries, 1236 yards, 3.6 ypc, 59 catches, 367 yards.

398 touches, 1603 total yards, 4.02 yards per touch.

10 total touchdowns (all rushing), 8 total fumbles (5 lost)

Reggie:

155 carries, 565 yards, 3.6 ypc, 88 catches, 742 yards.

243 touches, 1307 total yards, 5.3 yards per touch

9 total touchdowns(6 rushing, 2 recieving, 1 punt return), 2 fumbles( both lost)

I left out Reggies kick and punt return yards.

Tomlinson played for a poor team, which probably hurt his stats, and Reggie had a really rough start to the year, but really came on strong.

Just some interesting stuff ya know?

I believe Bush will be something really special in this league before his career is over, but last year he benefitted greatly from having McAllister in the backfield with him. Its hard enough to shut down 1 good running back in the NFL, much less alone having to contend with 2 good RBs. Now don't take that as a knock on how good Bush is because I think the kid is going to be special, I just don't know how fair of a comparison it is to compare him to LT. They are 2 different types of RBs in my view. I see LT as a power back who can run people over and I see Reggie as a speed back with flash that will make a lot of people miss tackles.

Post #8 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:29 am

J.Kim wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah, that's the biggest concern about Reggie. His happy feet.
That contributed to him being the worst significant-time running back during most of last season.

Towards the end of last season, he showed less of that and seemed to have some measure of success.

Was just looking at his splits:

First 11 games:

109 carries, 331 yards, 3 yards per carry, 64 catches, 431 yards 6.7 yards per catch.

173 total touches, 762 total yards, 4.4 yards per touch, 2 total TD's(1 rushing, 1 return). 69.2 yards per game.

Last 5 games:

46 carries, 234 yards, 5.1 yards per carry, 24 catches, 311 yards, 13 yards per catch.

70 touches, 511 total yards, 7.7 yards per touch, 7 total TD's(5 rushing, 2 receiving). 102.2 yards per game.

I was pleased with his progression as the season went on. I think he would have been a lot more heavily scrutinized if the Saint's would have been struggling.

Yeah, I'm done :lol:

Post #9 » by **J.Kim** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:34 am

I remember earlier in the year, arguing with LAKESHOW.

Reggie was HORRID at the beginning of the season. Not even Replacement DPAR level.
As a matter of fact, up till around week 8 or 9, he was one of the 5 worst running backs of the last 5-6 years, according to FO, and his stats/play showed.

Good for Reggie though, turning things around towards the end last season.

Post #10 » by **studcrackers** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:58 am

well no-kg lets say the saints get rid of mccallister do u think reggie could ever hold up carrying 300 times a year and have 400 touches

Post #11 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:11 am

studcrackers wrote:well no-kg lets say the saints get rid of mccallister do u think reggie could ever hold up carrying 300 times a year and have 400 touches

Yup, I personally wouldn't give him that many, but if anything he would probably last longer than most backs ala Marshall Faulk.

Big running backs can take a beating better, but they take a hell of a lot more hits.

300 carries is 18.75 carries per game. :dontknow:

The_Child_Prodigy · Post #12 » by **The_Child_Prodigy** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:39 pm

Maybe Faulk but not LT.

Oh and btw SJax will get 1000/1000 before Bush.

Post #13 » by **J.Kim** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:41 pm

The_Child_Prodigy wrote:Maybe Faulk but not LT.

Oh and btw SJax will get 1000/1000 before Bush.

Why must you bring up Steven Jackson in every running back thread. It's starting to get annoying.

kooldude · Post #14 » by **kooldude** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:54 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yup, I personally wouldn't give him that many, but if anything he would probably last longer than most backs ala Marshall Faulk.

Big running backs can take a beating better, but they take a hell of a lot more hits.

300 carries is 18.75 carries per game.

hey off topic question, what does "NO" in your username mean? haha....

Post #15 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:02 pm

kooldude wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

hey off topic question, what does "NO" in your username mean? haha....

No-longer operational.

The_Child_Prodigy · Post #16 » by **The_Child_Prodigy** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:22 am

J.Kim wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why must you bring up Steven Jackson in every running back thread. It's starting to get annoying.

I dont know really........I just state what I believe. :violin:

captain_cheapseats · Post #17 » by **captain_cheapseats** » Sun Sep 2, 2007 10:41 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:I left out Reggies kick and punt return yards.

Did he return any kicks last year? I thought he only did punts, where he was the 2nd best returner on the NFL's 28th ranked punt return squad. I think Bush is a good RB, but the thing where people keep trying to pass him off as a special teams dynamo is not supported by his performance/7.7 YPR average.

As for the topic at hand, sure, I think Bush could be as good as LT. He can attack a defense in a lot of ways, and allows a good coordinator a lot of different options. Also, towards the end of last year, he showed what the future might hold and it appeared to be bright.

But the thing is, you can't start saying he's going to be as good as a legitimately great RB yet, even after a good rookie year. Ryans, McNeill and Colston all had some of the better rookie years the NFL has seen in a while, but I've NEVER heard anyone say they are the next Seau, Munoz and Rice. Anyone who did so would be laughed at. But for some reason, people are comfortable comparing Bush to the likes of Sanders, Faulk, Sayers and LT. I don't think it makes too much sense.

JoeyH · Post #18 » by **JoeyH** » Sun Sep 2, 2007 11:35 pm

I think Bush is overrated as a PR too. But in clutch situations, I want him back there. He won us a game on a PR.

Elway=GOAT · Post #19 » by **Elway=GOAT** » Mon Oct 8, 2007 10:26 pm

I always thought, he would be more productive than he currently is. Especially the way he is marketed, he is every where, and looking at his numbers and what he does, on the field. I really dont see it. I always like to wait till a players third season to really determine if they are for real?

From a physical-gifted standpoint is he one of the better Running backs I have ever seen? Yes, but he has yet to consistantly put it together. We will know alittle bit more about him, and what kind of player he will be by the end of the year, and more so by the end of next year.

High 5 · Post #20 » by **High 5** » Tue Oct 9, 2007 1:09 am

JoeyH wrote:I think Bush is overrated as a PR too. But in clutch situations, I want him back there. He won us a game on a PR.

His blockers won that game with a perfect wall on the return. Anyone with sub-4.6 speed could have returned that punt for a TD.

That said, as a Falcons fan I make sure to criticize Bush as much as I can, but he is a very special player. He just has some learning to do and the Saints need to utilize him better.

Of course, younger LT he is not.