RealGM Mock Draft 8.0

Bac2Basics · Post #1 » by **Bac2Basics** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:31 pm

http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ ... ersion_80/

Some interesting choices there, some I believe and some that are things I don't get at all.

The whole Singletary/Tebow/Religon thing is so completely overblown

JoshKingsFan · Post #2 » by **JoshKingsFan** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:48 pm

Bac2Basics wrote:Some interesting choices there, some I believe and some that are things I don't get at all.

The whole Singletary/Tebow/Religon thing is so completely overblown

Totally agree about the Singletary/Tebow thing. The 49ers will NOT be drafting Alex Smith II. Is that fair? No. Is is true? Yes.

Speaking as a 49ers fan and only looking at those picks, here are my thoughts:

#13 overall -- Bryan Bulaga - T. Right on. I firmly believe that the 49ers will take the highest rate tackle (RT) on their board -- unless the unthinkable happens and CJ Spiller falls this far (in a repeat of last year (Crabtree) and with the insurance of the #17 pick, they grab spiller at 13 if he falls).

#17 - Tebow. Will not happen. They really could use help at CB and I think they'll look at Klye Wilson (Boise St.) here. Two other options here could be G-Mike Iupati (a singletary type of player and a tough o-line anchor to pass up even if they grab Bulaga -- the front 5 would be set for years barring injury.) and Brian Price DT-UCLA, who I think might be gone by 17 but could be in the mix.

Round 2 - #49, Perish Cox CB - OK St. I hope they addressed this in round 1, so I think they may go for Dexter McCluster who would be a rb/wr/kr -- the return game really needs some help.

The other rounds really depend on their first 3 choices but that's my feedback.

Overall, good work, doing a mock draft (especially in March) is kind of like walking into a preschool and saying this one will be doctor, that one a lawyer, that one a criminal and that one a stripper (I mean exotic dancer).

thesack12 · Post #3 » by **thesack12** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:05 am

Another 9er fan here...

If Frisco takes Tebow @ 13 or 17 it would be waste of a high draft pick IMO. Tebow is not better than Alex at this point and the 9ers just signed Carr to be the backup. The last time Frisco used a 1st rounder on an Urban Meyer QB product, hasn't exactly worked out either.

Plus, Frisco already has a QB project whom the organization and most fans love in Nate Davis. Doesn't make sense to me why they would draft another QB project, in the 1st round no less. Davis would never get a fair shake with Tebow around.

Everybody knows that Alex as the long term option is shaky, but I don't see Tebow being the answer.

Tim is a winner and a very likeable personality, but IMO Tebow won't be a good NFL Qube. He could be quality fullback, and a great guy to run some Wild-"gator" packages, but I don't think that kind of player is worthy of a 1st rounder. Plus he has already said numerous times that he fully intends to be a full time QB.

Jacksonville is the team that desperately needs Tebow. Whether they pony up #10 for him or find a way to trade for him (but that will be tough cuz they don't have a 2nd), they need Tebow to sell tickets.

Smooth32 · Post #4 » by **Smooth32** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:49 am

There's no way that the Browns take Clausen. I'd be willing to bet you anything, Icness.

I'd rather go Haden or Earl Thomas.

I'd also hate the 2nd round pick. Depending on what we'd do in the 1st, I'd take any one of Brandon Spikes, Devin McCourty, Nate Allen, Corey Wootton, or even Johnathan Dwyer.

Do like the 3rd round picks though.

Chris Cook is a good pick if we haven't picked up a corner yet. If we have I like Jon Asamoah there. Jacoby Ford too, even.

hermes · Post #5 » by **hermes** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:44 am

Jeff,

I've noticed that in the couple mocks before this you had the vikings taking Tony Pike in the late first round, and now that they aren't he fell to the mid-second. Is that because Pike's grade has fallen or teams in that range aren't looking for a QB?

Post #6 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:13 am

hermes wrote:Jeff,

I've noticed that in the couple mocks before this you had the vikings taking Tony Pike in the late first round, and now that they aren't he fell to the mid-second. Is that because Pike's grade has fallen or teams in that range aren't looking for a QB?

I don't think he did himself any favors at the combine.

Post #7 » by **Icness** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:27 pm

hermes wrote:Jeff,

I've noticed that in the couple mocks before this you had the vikings taking Tony Pike in the late first round, and now that they aren't he fell to the mid-second. Is that because Pike's grade has fallen or teams in that range aren't looking for a QB?

Some of both. Pike isn't exactly the greatest interview and he comes across as a kind of stud hick...and proud of it. I don't see the Vikings (or anyone else) wanting to pay 1st round $$ for a guy they hope doesn't play for 2 years. That's different from Tebow because teams can work him into packages and get some on-field benefit while he learns the intricacies of the NFL game.

Post #8 » by **Icness** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:37 pm

thesack12 wrote:Another 9er fan here...

If Frisco takes Tebow @ 13 or 17 it would be waste of a high draft pick IMO. Tebow is not better than Alex at this point and the 9ers just signed Carr to be the backup. The last time Frisco used a 1st rounder on an Urban Meyer QB product, hasn't exactly worked out either.

Plus, Frisco already has a QB project whom the organization and most fans love in Nate Davis. Doesn't make sense to me why they would draft another QB project, in the 1st round no less. Davis would never get a fair shake with Tebow around.

Everybody knows that Alex as the long term option is shaky, but I don't see Tebow being the answer.

Tim is a winner and a very likeable personality, but IMO Tebow won't be a good NFL Qube. He could be quality fullback, and a great guy to run some Wild-"gator" packages, but I don't think that kind of player is worthy of a 1st rounder. Plus he has already said numerous times that he fully intends to be a full time QB.

Jacksonville is the team that desperately needs Tebow. Whether they pony up #10 for him or find a way to trade for him (but that will be tough cuz they don't have a 2nd), they need Tebow to sell tickets.

Davis is still very much a project, though you are correct that the team does like him. The David Carr signing demonstrates how little confidence they have in Davis at this point though.

That Carr signing makes me think. I see that very much like the Browns bringing in Seneca Wallace; very bad news for the presumed incumbent starter, even if the new guy isn't necessarily the long-term answer. I think that move indicates they are done with Alex Smith and are ready to move on, and Carr buys them a year or two while Tebow (or Davis) gets acclimated. Same with what the Giants did with Kurt Warner and Eli or the Bengals with Kitna and Palmer.

As for the religion angle being overplayed, y'all REALLY don't know your coach very well. He's not the final chooser on talent but he has a great deal of input. I know one Niners player pretty well and he says coach is nonstop with the in-your-face Christian preaching, and that he is always stressing his mission is more than football and that God put him there to develop not a football team but rather a chacne to save and religify young men. If that doesn't scream "Tim Tebow as leader of the team" I don't know what does.

Piston Pete · Post #9 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:35 pm

Any reason you have CB McCourty so far down your mock? He's a guy us Lions fans aren't sure will even ber there at #34....but you have him going late 2nd round behind other CB's like Donovan Warren, Patricks Robinson, and Dom Franks...

Also kinda surprised you have Taylor Mays as a mid 2nd rounder still....

Post #10 » by **Icness** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:16 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Any reason you have CB McCourty so far down your mock? He's a guy us Lions fans aren't sure will even ber there at #34....but you have him going late 2nd round behind other CB's like Donovan Warren, Patricks Robinson, and Dom Franks...

Also kinda surprised you have Taylor Mays as a mid 2nd rounder still....

All the corners are very hard to slot and ordinate right now. After Haden it could be McCourty next, or Robinson, or Warren or (most likely) Franks. And they could all go before #40 or after #50.

Edit--I know one team has Mays as their #8 safety, another has him #7. Mid-2nd might be optimistic for him, but I suspect someone will fall in love with his body and take him in the 30s or 40s. He did not impress at all in interviews. Chad Jones didn't either, which is part of why he is dropping.

thesack12 · Post #11 » by **thesack12** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:08 pm

I don't know anything about the religious angle, and not going to act like I do. But I have to think that the 9ers brass will not allow that to be a primary contributing factor in investing a 1st round draft pick.

Everybody knows Alex is a shakey proposition as the starting QB, but he also has had no stability whatsoever his entire career. He has had to learn a new system from a new OC every year of his career. I don't care who you are, thats tough for anybody especially a Qube. Alex looked pretty good under Norv Turner, and had a great start with Raye's spread system. Crabs is in the beginning stages of becoming a go to playmaking wideout, and Vernon Davis is starting to emerge as an elite player at the position. Plus Gore excels in the passing game. Alex is starting to get some weapons and is going on the 2nd year of a system for once. Plus, Singletary is already on record saying that Alex is the unquestioned starter going into the season. This is a make or break year for Alex. Drafting a QB in the 1st would fracture what little confidence Alex has built up. Frisco needs to committ to Alex one last time, to find out once and for all if he is going to stick. If he lays down again, the organization will know for sure Alex is toast and can look for a Qube next year. Mallett, Locker, and Luck are all better pro prospects than Tebow IMO.

The point is, this season is Frisco's best opportunity to win the division and make the playoffs since the 90's. Frisco needs to use their high picks on guys that can contribute from jump.

To get away from the mini thread hi-jack....

I'm glad to hear that not a lot of people are buying into Taylor Mays. Frisco needs safety help and have been linked to Mays. But IMO Mays is fools gold, and is tailor-made for that other bay area team. I don't want anything to do with Taylor Mays in the 1st round either. Much rather pick up Myron Rolle or Major Wright in the 3rd or 4th.

Post #12 » by **PhilipNelsonFan** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:42 pm

I owe you some props, Ic, for having the best TE in the draft be the first one off the board.

Nice work.

I like this mock overall. I guess...I'm just stunned that Iupati's so low. I get that most teams aren't exactly going to be springing for him as an OG because it isn't admittedly a sexy pick, but I think he's so good that he can upgrade a mediocre line to average, or a good line to great.

Also (homerism), thoughts on T.J. Ward? He appeared to do very well for himself at the combine; although I cannot speak for interviews I've personally spoken with him and he seems to hold his own rather well.

Post #13 » by **studcrackers** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:59 pm

JoshKingsFan wrote:
Bac2Basics wrote:Some interesting choices there, some I believe and some that are things I don't get at all.

The whole Singletary/Tebow/Religon thing is so completely overblown

Totally agree about the Singletary/Tebow thing. The 49ers will NOT be drafting Alex Smith II. Is that fair? No. Is is true? Yes.

Speaking as a 49ers fan and only looking at those picks, here are my thoughts:

#13 overall -- Bryan Bulaga - T. Right on. I firmly believe that the 49ers will take the highest rate tackle (RT) on their board -- unless the unthinkable happens and CJ Spiller falls this far (in a repeat of last year (Crabtree) and with the insurance of the #17 pick, they grab spiller at 13 if he falls).

#17 - Tebow. Will not happen. They really could use help at CB and I think they'll look at Klye Wilson (Boise St.) here. Two other options here could be G-Mike Iupati (a singletary type of player and a tough o-line anchor to pass up even if they grab Bulaga -- the front 5 would be set for years barring injury.) and Brian Price DT-UCLA, who I think might be gone by 17 but could be in the mix.

Round 2 - #49, Perish Cox CB - OK St. I hope they addressed this in round 1, so I think they may go for Dexter McCluster who would be a rb/wr/kr -- the return game really needs some help.

The other rounds really depend on their first 3 choices but that's my feedback.

Overall, good work, doing a mock draft (especially in March) is kind of like walking into a preschool and saying this one will be doctor, that one a lawyer, that one a criminal and that one a stripper (I mean exotic dancer).

if you're looking for a return guy, cox is your guy, the man was an amazing return guy for the cowboys

Zabriskie · Post #14 » by **Zabriskie** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:34 pm

I would be shocked if Thomas is the 2nd WR taken.

Post #15 » by **Icness** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:03 pm

PhilipNelsonFan wrote:I owe you some props, Ic, for having the best TE in the draft be the first one off the board. Nice work.

I like this mock overall. I guess...I'm just stunned that Iupati's so low. I get that most teams aren't exactly going to be springing for him as an OG because it isn't admittedly a sexy pick, but I think he's so good that he can upgrade a mediocre line to average, or a good line to great.

Also (homerism), thoughts on T.J. Ward? He appeared to do very well for himself at the combine; although I cannot speak for interviews I've personally spoken with him and he seems to hold his own rather well.

I like TJ Ward and I know some teams do too. He's probably a 4th-5th rounder. The thing with him is that he doesn't really stand out but he doesn't really have holes either, kind of like Tom Zbikowski has done in BAL (whoda thunk?!).

Iupati has a bit of an image problem in that he got away with a whole lot of holding and it really stands out on game film. What helps his case is that he rarely needed to hold because his feet are damn near perfect. I'm doing the "What I would do" mock right now and he's a top 10 pick. And I do think he can play RT more than capably.

Post #16 » by **Icness** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:04 pm

Zabriskie wrote:I would be shocked if Thomas is the 2nd WR taken.

If he hadn't broken his foot I would have bet you $500 he would have been the 1st WR taken.

JustBlaze · Post #17 » by **JustBlaze** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:03 am

Icness wrote:
Zabriskie wrote:I would be shocked if Thomas is the 2nd WR taken.

If he hadn't broken his foot I would have bet you $500 he would have been the 1st WR taken.

Thomas looks like a beast and after Bryant there seems to be a lot of varying opinions on the rest of the WR core in this draft with none of them really standing out. I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas was the 2nd WR taken.

On Path to the Draft today he said he is planning on holding a private workout for teams before the draft, and that he is close to being able to run, hopefully that will improve his stock. Also broken bones heal quicker and come back stronger, its not like he tore something.

Goon_Slapper · Post #18 » by **Goon_Slapper** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:21 pm

Thanks for the updated mock Ic!!!

I would love for the Bills to draft the way you have them in the Mock. Anthony Davis T, Everson Griffen DE, Daryl Washington LB, & Brandon LaFell WR.

I know your mock came out last week, but I'm sure the Bills will now look for other needs since they signed Dwan Edwards at DE, and Andra Davis at LB. I was pleasantly surprised that Buddy could pull that off. Good for him. Hopefully, the bills will address the NT needs for their new 3-4 defense...maybe Terrence Cody.

Post #19 » by **Icness** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:10 am

Goon_Slapper wrote:Thanks for the updated mock Ic!!!

I would love for the Bills to draft the way you have them in the Mock. Anthony Davis T, Everson Griffen DE, Daryl Washington LB, & Brandon LaFell WR.

I know your mock came out last week, but I'm sure the Bills will now look for other needs since they signed Dwan Edwards at DE, and Andra Davis at LB. I was pleasantly surprised that Buddy could pull that off. Good for him. Hopefully, the bills will address the NT needs for their new 3-4 defense...maybe Terrence Cody.

I wouldn't be too excited over Davis, though he does know the 3-4 scheme and he can cover. IMO Dwan Edwards is a steal and will really help, and he came cheaper than I thought too. I need to digest what this might mean for their draft, if anything.