How high a pick could Stafford bring the Lions?

[ZedgetRedd]

Stafford had one free year to break out? That's like saying: "Hey, I gave Ussain Bolt one free race on a muddy 110 metre track to break the 100 metre world record and he failed. The kid who dominated the state high school championships is going to be a greater sprinter"... Thank God you weren't the GM in Indy during Manning's first season when he won two games. He would have been shipped out of there in a hurry.

Umm, no that is not like what it is saying. Your analogy isn't set up properly to use to make a valid point. First of all, what does Bolt have to do, run fast? If he's running on mud, I don't expect him to break a WR, I expect him to run faster on mud than a normal guy will run on mud. I say Bolt still woops you in that race! Who are you going to be on before the race starts, Bolt or a random man? I think you are crazy for going against Bolt, he is so obviously the best prospect to win any race, but in a QB battle, we don't say that about Stafford, because he is not Usain Bolt and hasn't won credibility like Usain Bolt. You don't have a proper analogy and it doesnt fit or make sense! And no you don't get to speak for me on my feelings about Peyton Manning. These are not the same QBs and their first years were NOT the same. Different men, different situations, different dynamics. Besides there was no guarantee that Peyton would have succeeded. What if he didnt, then you would say thank God the GM got him out of their so quickly. Peyton Manning has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Matt Stafford. Matt is going to write his own destiny regardless of what Manning did. For THIS player at THIS time, it is BEST for us to trade him, how can you not see how simple this is to acquire a net advantage overall?

If this isn't going to work, the main reason it won't is because teams won't pay for Stafford as much as I would hope for. Which is why I am kinda glad that this poster asked the question, cause I have no interest in debating this topic any longer having already beaten this topic to death in the past. I had this EXACT same viewpoint BEFORE we drafted Stafford and BEFORE I saw him play. The logic was the SAME. Having seen him play one year only TIPS the scales even further towards that direction cause he had a overall negative year as opposed to a positive year, thus an adjustment towards the original logical line of thought must be applied. This topic isn't even about doing the trade, the guy was just asking IF a trade were to happen, WHAT WOULD WE GET??? Nobody on RealGM has opinions on this? Sheesh.

I think I understand you now. You want to trade Stafford and or Calvin Johnson not because you think Stafford is a bust pick already (or at least I hope so) but to aquire a lot of high picks to faster rebuild your team. An example being, Stafford/Calvin to the Seahawks for the 6 and their second, as well as their first next year. You could draft Suh/McCoy and Berry with the 2 and 6, and then draft Devin McCourty and Daryl Washington with the seconds and have a substantially improved defense... interesting idea I have to say but it will never happen.

[TSE]

Yea I don't want Stafford on this team 90% for the reason that he's too expensive and I'd rather have less than the #1 overall pick in exchange for him. The 10% remaining is just based upon his bad rookie year for what HIS expectations were, not Peyton's, not Tom Brady, not any player this like him or different than him. I don't care who panned out or didn't pan out, I only care if Stafford plays in such a way that raises my opinion of him since the draft or if he lowers it. And he lowered it by a lot more than I would have liked. But I can't call the guy bust, and I wouldn't be shocked if he was a Pro Bowler one day. With an arm like that and the physical abilities he has, all he needs to do is improve his mental game to get where he needs to go. That IF is not the same exact IF that every other player has, but it is an IF that has some chance of going good or bad and it is a somewhat comparable chance to whatever replacement QB you end up with. All in all I see that even if a team didn't pay us near the top pick in this draft that we have a lot of spots in this draft we can drop to while getting the best end of the deal in a Stafford trade. And where there is a player resource equity margin, there is an opportunity to fill one free hole or get one free upgrade in the least.

As for CJ, I would take his name right out of that list though, cause I'm not doing THAT trade for the pair of them. If the other teams want CJ there is a higher threshold to get him, but I can't see how there wouldn't be at least one team that would offer enough. I count a good 10 teams or so that SHOULD value CJ for THEIR team MORE than we do for OUR team. And that's a margin where you can get more than the player is actually worth, so take it, don't be shy. These aren't tiny margins like selling a 34 year old LB for a late pick, these are sizable margins on large purchases. If you are in sales and you make a 10% commission, would you rather make a deal for a glass of lemonade or for a giant business deal? And when you have premium guys like a CJ and differences of opinions, you might find a team that pays you such that you can get a 15% commission in effect due to the margin discrepancy between the 2 perspectives.

Look at it simply this way. If we could go back in time to when we drafted CJ, and he had those years back, why not trade the years we just used him for and get something for it today? We can't do that now cause that time is gone, and that USAGE of his premium value got us nothing. We've already let him depreciate without making any progress towards our destination, and that is beyond the wrong way to do it, it's flat out criminal. To be so complacent with letting our team keep failing year in and year out is a huge detriment to the peace and mind of the entire community as well as our local economies, and that to me is unforgivable. It should never happen and there is no excuse for it other than having an unqualified person in the job that can't deliver on even the most basic minimum acceptance levels.

[TSE]

FRESH QUESTION:

Forget about debating the topic of whether it is a good idea to trade Stafford. I just want to ask for some opinions on the original question of what pick number in this draft Stafford is worth, but also IF the Lions traded Stafford to the Skins, what draft picks along with McNabb should they give us to make it a fair deal? Anybody have any opinions on these questions?

[Roger Murdock]

The 4th pick if the Skins didnt take DMac would be fair.

[Roger Murdock]

As a Browns fan I would easily give up the number 7 for either CJ or Stafford unless Suh was somehow there.