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Re: 2012 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#161 » by Icness » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:16 am

RLakh23 wrote:What you do know about Ryan Tannehill. I didn't watch any Texas A&M games. I've notice ESPN and mock drafts have been high on him as of late. What makes him so special?


He was their top deep threat WR until the secodn half of the '10 season when their regular starting QB (J. Johnson) lost the ability to throw the ball anywhere near anyone. Started the last half of that season despite not taking QB reps until three days before his first game and he was very good right away.

Excellent athlete, great arm, strong legs, very good speed. Throws an excellent intermediate ball, good touch. Has decent arm strength, not a rocket but not lacking. The biggest positive he has is that everything that is wrong with him right now is coachable.

He still hasn't mastered reading coverages or looking off safeties or throwing the ball away. He threw some ugly INTs this year and they tended to come in the 2nd half of games when TAMU already had a lead. Because of that and his lack of experience he's probably a late 1st, but he's a better QB already than Gabbert or Locker were at this point last year so you never know.
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Re: 2012 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#162 » by Icness » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:23 am

Roger Murdock wrote:Watching guys like Verson Davis, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, and Jimmy Graham dominate in the playoffs really wants me to get a freak tight end for the Browns. Are there any insanely athletic tight ends prospects in this draft? We took Jordan Cameron last year, and I still have high hopes for him, but I would love to have two really athletic tight ends. It seems to me that offenses that features TE's are the way of the future in the NFL - would you agree?


Dwayne Allen from Clemson fits the bill. Ladarius Green of LA-Lafayette is the next closest, also Orson Charles of Georgia. Michael Egnew from Mizzou is more like Brandon Pettigrew or Jermaine Gresham, not as good as either though. Colby Fleener of Stanford is more of a dual threat.

Allen is probably the only 1st round pick and even that is pushing it. I suspect there will be a lot taken in the 40-80 overall range.

I'm not high on Jordan Cameron, not a intuitive athlete which IMO is integral for developing from great potential to great performer.
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Re: 2012 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#163 » by TSE » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:02 am

In what round will the first FB be drafted?

What player(s) will surprisingly go undrafted? Or suggest anybody that may drop many rounds beyond where popular opinion would suggest.
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Post#164 » by Roger Murdock » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:15 am

But Jordan Cameron is so good looking!
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Re: 2012 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#165 » by PhilipNelsonFan » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:04 am

Jeff,

I read about Akiem Hicks (former LSU DT who transferred to the University of Regina in Saskatchewan) during the East-West Shrine Game; seems like an interesting case compared to other Canadian prospects in the past (i.e. from Canada originally). What's the scouting world's take on him?

Also asking (self-interest time!) about Oregon's Josh Kaddu. I like the guy as a person, and he had an excellent year.
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Post#166 » by Icness » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:20 pm

TSE wrote:In what round will the first FB be drafted?

What player(s) will surprisingly go undrafted? Or suggest anybody that may drop many rounds beyond where popular opinion would suggest.


We might see a FB in the 6th. It's more likely a slower, more traditional tight end gets drafted and converted to FB like the Giants did with Bear Pascoe.

Kellen Moore is undraftable and I guess he was in some mocks as high as the 3rd round recently. Nick Toon WR Wisconsin seriously reinjured his foot and could really fall. He was a 2nd/3rd rounder and now it's hard to see him above a 5th. Matt Reynolds T BYU is much more liked by draftniks than scouts and even there his support is waning.
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Re: 2012 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#167 » by Icness » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:29 pm

PhilipNelsonFan wrote:Jeff,

I read about Akiem Hicks (former LSU DT who transferred to the University of Regina in Saskatchewan) during the East-West Shrine Game; seems like an interesting case compared to other Canadian prospects in the past (i.e. from Canada originally). What's the scouting world's take on him?

Also asking (self-interest time!) about Oregon's Josh Kaddu. I like the guy as a person, and he had an excellent year.


Hicks had a good week for himself at the Shrine Game. Very big, very physical, very strong, pretty light on his feet for his size. Still fairly clueless as to how to use his hands or how to set up moves. It seems like he is a 4th/5th round player that will get stashed on the practice squad if he's not ready.

Kaddu is a hustle/flow LB that can cover. He had a nice week too, probably the top LB there. IMO he was inconsistent and it was easy to see him lose focus. He has that Ernie Sims "shiny object catches my eye" trait and it takes him off task for just a second, but that second is enough to take him out of the play. Looks like 3rd/4th round pick for a 4-3 zone team, and there is a definite demand for guys like him from those teams. I'd like to have him on the Lions.
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Post#168 » by JaxMagic » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:30 pm

Jeff,

Do you think Courtney Upshaw has the potential to be a 4-3 pass rushing end or should he stay as a 3-4 OLB? I'm trying to think who the Jags could pick at 7, because I don't see them liking Coples or taking someone with "off the field problems" like Kirkpatrick or Floyd so I was wondering if Upshaw could develop into a pass rushing end they need.
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Post#169 » by Icness » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:39 am

JaxMagic wrote:Jeff,

Do you think Courtney Upshaw has the potential to be a 4-3 pass rushing end or should he stay as a 3-4 OLB? I'm trying to think who the Jags could pick at 7, because I don't see them liking Coples or taking someone with "off the field problems" like Kirkpatrick or Floyd so I was wondering if Upshaw could develop into a pass rushing end they need.


Upshaw was at DE today and looked good. Real good in fact. He can play either and he's very appealing to teams that want to run multiple fronts. Jacksonville fits that bill because both their tackles are versatile too. IMO he's better than Coples, who is physically amazing but doesn't play to it all the time. Upshaw could be the best defensive player in this draft and he's a fairly safe pick to boot.

FWIW I saw former QB coach Mike Sheppard begging for work yesterday.
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Re: 2012 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#170 » by JaxMagic » Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:03 am

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JaxMagic wrote:Jeff,

Do you think Courtney Upshaw has the potential to be a 4-3 pass rushing end or should he stay as a 3-4 OLB? I'm trying to think who the Jags could pick at 7, because I don't see them liking Coples or taking someone with "off the field problems" like Kirkpatrick or Floyd so I was wondering if Upshaw could develop into a pass rushing end they need.


Upshaw was at DE today and looked good. Real good in fact. He can play either and he's very appealing to teams that want to run multiple fronts. Jacksonville fits that bill because both their tackles are versatile too. IMO he's better than Coples, who is physically amazing but doesn't play to it all the time. Upshaw could be the best defensive player in this draft and he's a fairly safe pick to boot.

FWIW I saw former QB coach Mike Sheppard begging for work yesterday.


Coples really scare me for some reason, every UNC game I've seen Coples seemed non-existent. At this point, I'm really starting to hope Upshaw moves up the board and is the Jags pick at 7. Also, doesn't surprise me about Sheppard lol
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Re: 2012 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#171 » by SpeedyG » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:30 am

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JaxMagic wrote:Jeff,

Do you think Courtney Upshaw has the potential to be a 4-3 pass rushing end or should he stay as a 3-4 OLB? I'm trying to think who the Jags could pick at 7, because I don't see them liking Coples or taking someone with "off the field problems" like Kirkpatrick or Floyd so I was wondering if Upshaw could develop into a pass rushing end they need.


Upshaw was at DE today and looked good. Real good in fact. He can play either and he's very appealing to teams that want to run multiple fronts. Jacksonville fits that bill because both their tackles are versatile too. IMO he's better than Coples, who is physically amazing but doesn't play to it all the time. Upshaw could be the best defensive player in this draft and he's a fairly safe pick to boot.

FWIW I saw former QB coach Mike Sheppard begging for work yesterday.


How big of an upgrade would new WR coach Jerry Sullivan would be for the Jags? From everything I've read of him, he sounds like a well-respected WR coach.

And yeah, I agree. Not a big fan of the DE prospects this year as far as 4-3 Ends go. If Upshaw can put his hand on the ground and hold up against the run, I might be tempted to take him. If only Jenkins didn't have character concerns.
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Re: 2012 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#172 » by Icness » Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:34 pm

Sullivan is a good coach. Sheppard was a good WR coach (he groomed Ocho) but putting him as the QB coach with a rookie QB is probably the biggest mistake Jack Del Rio ever made, of many.

The Jags spent a lot of time with the lower-tier wideouts in Mobile, guys like Marvin Jones, Patrick Edwards (who got hurt), Joe Adams, Gerell Robinson. Those are all 4th-5th round range.
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Post#173 » by Friend_Of_Haley » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:11 am

Not quite draft related but hoping you can comment on the Bears GM hire. Since Emery is a draft guy I'd imagine you are familiar with him. Any insight you can give about his scouting process and what it might mean for the Bears going forward?


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Post#174 » by SpeedyG » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:38 pm

Icness wrote:Sullivan is a good coach. Sheppard was a good WR coach (he groomed Ocho) but putting him as the QB coach with a rookie QB is probably the biggest mistake Jack Del Rio ever made, of many.

The Jags spent a lot of time with the lower-tier wideouts in Mobile, guys like Marvin Jones, Patrick Edwards (who got hurt), Joe Adams, Gerell Robinson. Those are all 4th-5th round range.


I agree with that. Having Sheppard as the QB coach with a rookie QB, and a Quality Control guy as a WR coach for a group of young WRs? And without an off-season? That was a recipe for disaster.

I'd take Marvin Jones and Adams in the later rounds as a possible #2/#4 WRs (with a FA signing as the #1, and Mike Thomas sliding to #3).

Though I'm still hoping that Sullivan can develop Cecil Shorts.
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Re: 2012 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#175 » by Icness » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:19 pm

Friend_Of_Haley wrote:Not quite draft related but hoping you can comment on the Bears GM hire. Since Emery is a draft guy I'd imagine you are familiar with him. Any insight you can give about his scouting process and what it might mean for the Bears going forward?


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I know him some from a few years ago, haven't interacted with him in probably 3 years though. Once Haley took over in KC they basically shut off the outside world.

Emery always struck me as a pragmatic guy that doesn't overthink things. Like, if we're picking 11th and the #6 guy on our board is still available we're taking him even if we have a bigger need somewhere else. I know he was a guy who championed Glenn Dorsey, who I still maintain is a much better 4-3 DT than 3-4 end. He was also the guy who really liked Jamaal Charles and pounded the table for him. He had a solid group of scouts in KC and he trusts what they see.

It would not surprise me if he imports Dorsey or Tyson Jackson from KC in some form, be it them getting released or a trade. Brandon Carr is a small-school find he's responsible for and a free agent, pretty solid zone corner that might be in the works too.
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Re: 2012 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#176 » by penquin11 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:50 pm

Icness wrote:Thought I would get one started for this coming year. Could be a very interesting draft, what with all the quarterbacks and all the teams that have recently spent 1sts on QBs.

I'll preemptively answer the two questions I already get a lot:

--I do not think Matt Barkley is a first-round talent. He will probably get drafted in the first round, but he belongs later.

--Justin Blackmon is better than Julio Jones, very comparable to AJ Green, better than Dez Bryant, similar to Hakeem Nicks minus the trappings. Legit top 5 talent.


your insane. Justin Blackmon is not as fast, tall, and nor does he posses the leaping ability of Green or Jones.....
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Re: 2012 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#177 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:04 pm

penquin11 wrote:
Icness wrote:Thought I would get one started for this coming year. Could be a very interesting draft, what with all the quarterbacks and all the teams that have recently spent 1sts on QBs.

I'll preemptively answer the two questions I already get a lot:

--I do not think Matt Barkley is a first-round talent. He will probably get drafted in the first round, but he belongs later.

--Justin Blackmon is better than Julio Jones, very comparable to AJ Green, better than Dez Bryant, similar to Hakeem Nicks minus the trappings. Legit top 5 talent.


your insane. Justin Blackmon is not as fast, tall, and nor does he posses the leaping ability of Green or Jones.....


1. The OP was made in September. I'm assuming he's changed his feelings on Barkley. In fact, I'd be stunned if he hadn't.

2. Julio Jones had some issues coming out, mainly his brain and his hands. Blackmon isn't the freak athlete that Julio is, but he's a much more sound WR coming out.
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Post#178 » by Icness » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:05 pm

1. The OP was made in September. I'm assuming he's changed his feelings on Barkley. In fact, I'd be stunned if he hadn't.


I have warmed to Barkley but I still don't see anything special. Not top 10 special anyways. And a lot of people told him that when he was pondering to come out or not even after he tore it up late in the year.

2. Julio Jones had some issues coming out, mainly his brain and his hands. Blackmon isn't the freak athlete that Julio is, but he's a much more sound WR coming out.


Well said, and thanks for channeling me 8-) I vastly prefer Blackmon to Jones. Did then and still do now.

One of the things I really found amusing last draft season was the rapid ascent of Julio Jones in workout season. He was certainly top 10 preseason 2010, maybe even top 5, but played his way down to the 20-30 range with a barrage of minor injuries, key drops, and mental mistakes. All that went out the window when he blazed a speed at the Combine that he never even came close to approaching on the field. It amazes me that Tom Dimitroff was the biggest sucker because other than that I think he's done a phenomenal job in ATL, yet his infatuation with 4.3 seconds in February has probably doomed the Falcons to being lucky to be one-and-done in any of the next three years.
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Post#179 » by Sandlot » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:34 pm

Any idea if teams are already looking to trade up for big name QBs or some of the other top level talent on the board?
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Post#180 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:59 pm

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1. The OP was made in September. I'm assuming he's changed his feelings on Barkley. In fact, I'd be stunned if he hadn't.


I have warmed to Barkley but I still don't see anything special. Not top 10 special anyways. And a lot of people told him that when he was pondering to come out or not even after he tore it up late in the year.

2. Julio Jones had some issues coming out, mainly his brain and his hands. Blackmon isn't the freak athlete that Julio is, but he's a much more sound WR coming out.


Well said, and thanks for channeling me 8-) I vastly prefer Blackmon to Jones. Did then and still do now.

One of the things I really found amusing last draft season was the rapid ascent of Julio Jones in workout season. He was certainly top 10 preseason 2010, maybe even top 5, but played his way down to the 20-30 range with a barrage of minor injuries, key drops, and mental mistakes. All that went out the window when he blazed a speed at the Combine that he never even came close to approaching on the field. It amazes me that Tom Dimitroff was the biggest sucker because other than that I think he's done a phenomenal job in ATL, yet his infatuation with 4.3 seconds in February has probably doomed the Falcons to being lucky to be one-and-done in any of the next three years.


The sad thing is that I don't think Dimitroff had a chance to really do anything with that Falcons team. Matt Ryan is just distressingly not special in any way, but he doesn't suck and Falcon fans are married to him because he's not Mike Vick so he can't really move on. Making it even worse is the fact that their OC sucked (Is Jacksonville going to be tanking the next few years OOC?)

The only hope that he had was really to put so many weapons on the field that Mularkey had to do something other than run for 3 yards on first and second down and then throw an out route short of the first down. It didn't happen. Turner's been run into the ground, Mularkey's the HC of Jacksonville :lol: and the picks were, if not wasted, then not used nearly as effectively.

They'll say that they felt they needed to keep up with the Packers and Saints, but in reality the issue wasn't that they didn't have the right parts in the garage, it was the fact that their head engineer was an idiot and they're driver while not terrible, isn't good enough to keep up with Jimmy Johnson and Jeff Gordon. Julio is a nice part, how nice can be debated, but he certainly isn't going to make up for the short comings of Ryan and Mularkey.

From what I've heard in interviews and read in "The War Rooom" (interesting book btw) the Julio trade was the Bucks equivalent of the Joe Alexander pick. They fell in love with him in interviews, he looked great in workouts, he had potential out the ears and they talked themselves into him. They saw what the Lions were doing with Megatron (lol at Julio having 10% of the football skill that CJ has but whatever) and they saw what teams (mainly the Packers) were doing by spreading defenses out with multiple WRs so they were going for the best of both worlds, and then combining it with the Falcons identity of power running.

The logic was keep the Safeties back, force teams into Nickel and Dime Defenses and then pound them with Turner. But nobody respected Ryan's ability to hurt them deep and they kept guys in the box regardless of White and Julio. Turner was worn down because he's a RB who's had a crazy number of carries recently and he had a very poor year, their offensive line got worse with IDR the guy's name, going to the Rams. All of which lead to a very dissapointing year and Mularkey getting (fired) promoted to Jacksonville's HC :lol:

At least that's my understanding of the situation.

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