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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#161 » by Icness » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:55 pm

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What do you think are the 49ers biggest needs and what do you think the strategy should be with all the early picks they have?


They have a pressing need for youth and depth in the defensive front. They have Ray McDonald locked up thru 15 but his cap number makes him likely to be cut in '14, and they have Ian Williams and Tony Jerod Eddie as DL signed after next year. That cannot stand.

They're going to use some of their meager remaining cap $$ on a veteran backup QB.

They need affordable depth, so I wouldn't trade any of the picks. Stock up on 2nd-tier starters and quality future potential, they already have the stars and playmakers in place. A better CB would be nice but they can get that with one of their 1st two picks.

They might not be done trading yet either.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#162 » by Icness » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:57 pm

Da Schwab wrote:I guess I'll be the first to ask...

Pending the Percy Harvin trade going through, what do you see the Vikings doing with their two picks (especially being so close together)? Packaging them and moving up, or just making some solid additions?


I think one will be a WR and one will be a player in the defensive front 7, likely a DT. They'll be taking at least one other WR in the middle rounds, good year for depth in that area. Think Corey Fuller, Rodney Smith, Conner Vernon, Alec Lemon, Dan Buckner, that range of player.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#163 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:10 am

Jeff hearing anything on the Eagles? Draft, trade or free agency?

Any chance they're the team that lands Revis?
Is something like a swap of 1sts, their 2nd and maybe 3rd enough value if they were interested?
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#164 » by kdawg32086 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:59 pm

So with the Bills releasing Fitzpatrick, I'm guessing they're strongly considering taking a quarterback?
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#165 » by Icness » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:33 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Jeff hearing anything on the Eagles? Draft, trade or free agency?

Any chance they're the team that lands Revis?
Is something like a swap of 1sts, their 2nd and maybe 3rd enough value if they were interested?


Don't believe they are chasing Revis. They're more apt to draft Dee Milliner, which I think is very realistic. Either Milliner or Jordan at 4, unless Joeckel is falling.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#166 » by Icness » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:35 pm

kdawg32086 wrote:So with the Bills releasing Fitzpatrick, I'm guessing they're strongly considering taking a quarterback?


Say hello to Matt Barkley in the first round, though they might drop back from 8 to do it...or move up from their 2nd rounder. Ryan Nassib the Plan B. They had some interest in Drew Stanton but he just signed with the Cardinals. Can def. see BUF bringing in Kevin Kolb, maybe Cassel as place holders/hand holders.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#167 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:41 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:Jeff hearing anything on the Eagles? Draft, trade or free agency?

Any chance they're the team that lands Revis?
Is something like a swap of 1sts, their 2nd and maybe 3rd enough value if they were interested?


Don't believe they are chasing Revis. They're more apt to draft Dee Milliner, which I think is very realistic. Either Milliner or Jordan at 4, unless Joeckel is falling.

I don't follow college football, but I've now read a few people saying Milliner has a suspect back pedal. Is it true?

Also, I read just a few minutes ago on a Jets main blog that the Eagles indeed talked to them about Revis yesterday and made an offer but the price the Jets are asking is too high and so they pulled out.

Not sure if they made a real or BS type offer, but I have to think an actual 1st, especially a high one isn't realistic for a guy coming off an ACL tear looking for franchise QB/WR money at the CB position no matter how good he maybe.

I'm still holding out hope haha.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#168 » by TyCobb » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:04 pm

So Kenjon Barner a 5th-7th rounder? Eesh. I personally see him being drafted in the early 70's.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#169 » by Roger Murdock » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:33 pm

Say Geno Smith is on board at 6. What are the chances Buffalo makes a package to jump Arizona for him? What type of package would it be?
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#170 » by Da Schwab » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:12 am

TyCobb wrote:So Kenjon Barner a 5th-7th rounder? Eesh. I personally see him being drafted in the early 70's.


Why? What separates him from any of the other RBs in this class?

The only way I see him in the mid rounds is if Chip Kelly nabs him and platoons him with Shady and Bryce Brown.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#171 » by Icness » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:06 pm

I don't follow college football, but I've now read a few people saying Milliner has a suspect back pedal. Is it true?


It's not as smooth as scouts like to see but it's not like Patrick Robinson falling over his own feet. The biggest thing I notice is that he has a pause at the top of his break, which leaves him vulnerable on shorter routes and comeback routes. His length and closing burst were good enough to get away with it in college but I question that it will be so in the pros.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#172 » by Icness » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:09 pm

TyCobb wrote:So Kenjon Barner a 5th-7th rounder? Eesh. I personally see him being drafted in the early 70's.


He will not go in the top 100. Some of that is the RB market in general; there simply isn't demand for RBs above that more than there is for WRs, CBs, TEs, OL, DL. Barner really hurt himself in NFL eyes by being downright terrible in pass protect and receiving drills in Mobile. When the slow piece of plywood that is Chase Thomas gets two "sacks" on you, you stink in pass protect.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#173 » by Icness » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:12 pm

Roger Murdock wrote:Say Geno Smith is on board at 6. What are the chances Buffalo makes a package to jump Arizona for him? What type of package would it be?


To move up two spots would take their 3rd round pick, maybe a late rounder too. If they want to ensure getting Smith they have to get to 3, where Oakland likes Smith but would rather sell the pick for more picks. That would cost them at least a 3rd this year and a 1st next year. The rumors about Philly liking Smith a lot are valid, though I'm not sold they would take him.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#174 » by gswhoops » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:35 pm

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TyCobb wrote:So Kenjon Barner a 5th-7th rounder? Eesh. I personally see him being drafted in the early 70's.


He will not go in the top 100. Some of that is the RB market in general; there simply isn't demand for RBs above that more than there is for WRs, CBs, TEs, OL, DL. Barner really hurt himself in NFL eyes by being downright terrible in pass protect and receiving drills in Mobile. When the slow piece of plywood that is Chase Thomas gets two "sacks" on you, you stink in pass protect.

So, you're pretty bullish on Thomas' pro potential then, I take it??

Seriously though, do you think he can overcome his underwhelming athleticism to at least contribute as a reserve or something?
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#175 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:35 pm

Icness wrote:
I don't follow college football, but I've now read a few people saying Milliner has a suspect back pedal. Is it true?


It's not as smooth as scouts like to see but it's not like Patrick Robinson falling over his own feet. The biggest thing I notice is that he has a pause at the top of his break, which leaves him vulnerable on shorter routes and comeback routes. His length and closing burst were good enough to get away with it in college but I question that it will be so in the pros.

Aah alright, thanks. So we signed Cary Williams for the exact same money Sean Smith just got and probably only a touch less then Aqib Talib will get, so I'm not very excited about that. Even though Williams had a lot of big plays he got torched a decent amount last year and for all his physicality and toughness he has some trouble keeping his emotions in check at bad times and I wonder how he'll handle the constant top QB matchups of the NFC East and other games on the schedule?

What are your overall thoughts on him? I haven't paid attention to him a ton, but I have watched him and I felt he was solid but not nearly spectacular and had too much propensity to give up huge plays without as much big time turnover ability as you'd like to see out of players like that.

Then again Baltimore's schemes were a bit odd at times last year and they had a lot of injuries, although injury was basically how he wound up getting locked into his opportunity.

I'm cautiously optimistic I guess.

I've been reading all the Philly beats saying this won't stop them from drafting Milliner if they do indeed want him at all.

But anyway yeah haha, can you give me your thoughts and some breakdown on Cary Williams when you have a chance?

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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#176 » by Icness » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:13 pm

I like Cary Williams, has developed into a very solid player. 35 PDs in two seasons is impressive and he's solid in run support. Part of his burn rate was because Bernard Pollard is simply atrocious in coverage as a safety and often hung him out to dry on deep help. Of course now he has Kenny Phillips and Patrick Chung, both of whom have similar issues...
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#177 » by Icness » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:14 pm

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TyCobb wrote:So Kenjon Barner a 5th-7th rounder? Eesh. I personally see him being drafted in the early 70's.


He will not go in the top 100. Some of that is the RB market in general; there simply isn't demand for RBs above that more than there is for WRs, CBs, TEs, OL, DL. Barner really hurt himself in NFL eyes by being downright terrible in pass protect and receiving drills in Mobile. When the slow piece of plywood that is Chase Thomas gets two "sacks" on you, you stink in pass protect.

So, you're pretty bullish on Thomas' pro potential then, I take it??

Seriously though, do you think he can overcome his underwhelming athleticism to at least contribute as a reserve or something?

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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#178 » by kdawg32086 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:47 pm

What does your ranking look like for left tackles? Who are the guys who can be adequate starters? What rounds will they likely be drafted in?
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#179 » by Icness » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:14 pm

kdawg32086 wrote:What does your ranking look like for left tackles? Who are the guys who can be adequate starters? What rounds will they likely be drafted in?


1. Joeckel
1a. Fisher
3. Johnson
sizeable gap
4. Watson
5. Mills
gap
6. Long
7. Thomas
8. Fragel
9. Pugh
10. Quessenberry

Long, Thomas, & Quess are better at other spots but fit here as LT
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#180 » by kdawg32086 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:33 pm

Icness wrote:
kdawg32086 wrote:What does your ranking look like for left tackles? Who are the guys who can be adequate starters? What rounds will they likely be drafted in?


1. Joeckel
1a. Fisher
3. Johnson
sizeable gap
4. Watson
5. Mills
gap
6. Long
7. Thomas
8. Fragel
9. Pugh
10. Quessenberry

Long, Thomas, & Quess are better at other spots but fit here as LT



How many of those guys do you think would be good enough to start at LT for the Ravens, if drafted, to keep Oher at RT?
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