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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#221 » by catalyst » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:42 pm

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You cannot take Ryan Nassib there, or God forbid EJ Manuel. In real life Nassib would be the pick because Marrone coached him, though it would be neat to see him pass on Nassib and all the draft talking heads carry on about what message that sends.


Laughed when I saw this. Remember in Carroll's first draft in Seattle when he passed on Taylor Mays and took Earl Thomas, and the talking heads went crazy. I guess Carroll made the right move there. Jerry Jones, on the other hand, takes players, whether they can play or not, if they will promote interest in the Cowboys or they went to arkansas (see Felix Jones.

On another issue, was the latest mock based on your projected actual or needs based? Cowboys only fill one of their many needs, and not where they need the most help, on the interior O line. Still at a loss to understand the 4-3 change, but this inside line is too huge to not address. By the way, the Romo contract issue is too huge to not address. If the owner were not the GM, the GM should be so canned. Issue is that Romo's contract cannot be cancelled until after Franchising date. This kind of mistake is unexcusable. For the first time in memory, I am nearing the point of not cheering for my beloved team, based solely on the incompetence of the owner. I know Stephen, and I may sit out of cheering until he assumes power.
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Post#222 » by catalyst » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:59 pm

New romo deal removes part of rant. Still want/needs cowboys to build inside out, not based on jerseys sold or other Jerry insanity. Cowboys need two drafts this year to fix what is wrong
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Post#223 » by catalyst » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:00 pm

Cowboy cap such a mess with average players extended that this romo deal only allows them to draft. No Fa signings
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#224 » by Roger Murdock » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:13 am

Whats your opinion on EJ Manuel Icness?

I'm so-so on him. I did see a passing splits breakdown on him compared to other prospects though and his numbers were by far the most impressive.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#225 » by ATL Boy » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:55 pm

Hey Ice, Now that the Falcons signed Osi and Stephen Jackson, and lost Grimes and Robinson do you think they'll go with a pass rusher like Margus Hunt in the first round or will they go corner with a player like Jonthan Banks?
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#226 » by Icness » Mon Apr 1, 2013 2:43 am

Roger Murdock wrote:Whats your opinion on EJ Manuel Icness?

I'm so-so on him. I did see a passing splits breakdown on him compared to other prospects though and his numbers were by far the most impressive.


I wish he gave me reason to like him more. Outstanding physical potential and he's one of the smartest guys in the draft too. But he does so many stupid things so frequently that I just don't trust him. Maybe it was the FSU coaching that held him back; some people I respect very much tell me they believe that is so.

I guess it wouldn't surprise me if he winds up blossoming into a Joe Flacco kind of QB, but it also wouldn't surprise me if he's out of the league in three years, Andre Goodman 2.0. He's going to be a top 50 pick. Could be a top 15 pick, right or not.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#227 » by Icness » Mon Apr 1, 2013 2:47 am

ATL Boy wrote:Hey Ice, Now that the Falcons signed Osi and Stephen Jackson, and lost Grimes and Robinson do you think they'll go with a pass rusher like Margus Hunt in the first round or will they go corner with a player like Jonthan Banks?


Every indication I've seen and heard is pass rusher early. Tank Carradine will not fall past them.
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Post#228 » by kdawg32086 » Mon Apr 1, 2013 3:52 am

Jeff, where do you see the supposed top 5 QB's in this draft ending up? I've seen speculation about Barkley to AZ, Nassib to Buf, and Wilson to Dal. Does that seem reasonable? Who likes Geno Smith? EJ Manuel?
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Post#229 » by Icness » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:08 am

kdawg32086 wrote:Jeff, where do you see the supposed top 5 QB's in this draft ending up? I've seen speculation about Barkley to AZ, Nassib to Buf, and Wilson to Dal. Does that seem reasonable? Who likes Geno Smith? EJ Manuel?


Geno Smith is going in the top 2. It might not be to KC or JAX though.
I continue to maintain that Barkley will go top 10. He really doesn't fit Arizona and their offense. Buffalo seems more likely.

BUF is a prime candidate to move up for Geno. I have a real hard time seeing Ryan Nassib as a top 10 pick. EJ Manuel is more likely to go higher. I mocked him to the Jets at 9 recently but that was more in sticking him with the Jets than seeing him at #9.

Dallas is not taking a QB, not with the commitment they made to Romo. The teams to watch for 2nd round QBs are Tampa and San Diego. Bucs have Josh Freeman in the same situation Flacco was last year, except Freeman has not been as good as Flacco other than about 8 games three years ago. The Chargers have no viable backup and they have to acknowledge that Rivers has steeply declined lately.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#230 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Mon Apr 1, 2013 6:25 pm

Icness -

Do you think the Bears should look to draft a QB in the second/third round? Jay Cutler is going into his FA season, and despite Emery's assertions that he thinks Cutler is a franchise QB wouldn't it make sense for the Bears to hedge their bets in the event Cutler flames out in Trestman's offense?

Which of the second tier QB's in this draft would fit best in Trestmans WC/Oak offense?
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#231 » by Icness » Tue Apr 2, 2013 1:28 am

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Icness -

Do you think the Bears should look to draft a QB in the second/third round? Jay Cutler is going into his FA season, and despite Emery's assertions that he thinks Cutler is a franchise QB wouldn't it make sense for the Bears to hedge their bets in the event Cutler flames out in Trestman's offense?

Which of the second tier QB's in this draft would fit best in Trestmans WC/Oak offense?


Who is the backup QB now, one of the McCowns? Absolutely they need to consider a developmental QB, but not until the later rounds. It's a bad year to need one but a couple I like are Nathan Stanley and Ryan Griffin. Both are 6th round picks, maybe Griffin gets into the bottom of the 5th.

If they want to go a little higher, Zac Dysert is the best option. Mike Glennon would be the antithesis of a Trestman QB.

I have zero doubt Cutler will be there long-term unless he really flames out. Or if they bottom out and want to make a change, but I don't see that.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#232 » by B Mac » Tue Apr 2, 2013 1:52 am

Milliner to the Browns if he's still on the board?
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Post#233 » by Icness » Tue Apr 2, 2013 1:18 pm

B Mac wrote:Milliner to the Browns if he's still on the board?

Browns are the best candidate to trade back of any team in the top 10. But if Milliner is there, and I strongly believe he will be, he is the odds on favorite to be their pick. Tavon Austin def. in the mix though, I know they really like him and the possibilities he brings to the offense.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#234 » by gswhoops » Tue Apr 2, 2013 4:02 pm

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B Mac wrote:Milliner to the Browns if he's still on the board?

Browns are the best candidate to trade back of any team in the top 10. But if Milliner is there, and I strongly believe he will be, he is the odds on favorite to be their pick. Tavon Austin def. in the mix though, I know they really like him and the possibilities he brings to the offense.

Austin at #6? I know his stock has been rising but that seems insanely high for him.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#235 » by Icness » Wed Apr 3, 2013 6:03 pm

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B Mac wrote:Milliner to the Browns if he's still on the board?

Browns are the best candidate to trade back of any team in the top 10. But if Milliner is there, and I strongly believe he will be, he is the odds on favorite to be their pick. Tavon Austin def. in the mix though, I know they really like him and the possibilities he brings to the offense.

Austin at #6? I know his stock has been rising but that seems insanely high for him.


Seems that way to me too, but he will absolutely be a top 14 pick. Both DET and CLE would like to take him if they could trade back a few spots, & SD and MIA are looking to move up for offensive tackles. Not saying, just sayin'...
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#236 » by penquin11 » Wed Apr 3, 2013 6:30 pm

Who do you think the Panthers are looking at in Round 2? What are the chances we grab a guy like Terron Armstead?
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#237 » by Icness » Thu Apr 4, 2013 1:02 am

penquin11 wrote:Who do you think the Panthers are looking at in Round 2? What are the chances we grab a guy like Terron Armstead?


They cannot go into the season with Godfrey and Nakamura as their safeties backed up by Mike Mitchell. That is prime safety value range.

He will probably go in that range but that is earlier than I am comfortable with taking Armstead. He's not that much better than Jordan Mills or David Quessenberry to me, not immediately in their careers anyway. I'd rather see them take Larry Warford there than Armstead if they go OL.

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Post#238 » by penquin11 » Thu Apr 4, 2013 4:46 pm

My heart skipped! Awesome a panthers draft site!

Also I was under the opinion (given how god-aweful Nakamura is) that Mitchell would be starting. However, I totally agree that we need Safety help even given that.

Now for my question:

How do you rate this years WR class? What do you think specifically about Markus Wheaton and Hunter? Why aren't they getting more attention.

On Wheaton- he had a solid senior bowl and was basically the only WR I saw outside of Patton that was impressive. Moreover he does have elite speed and agility as well as possessing good strength. He has proven he can catch, and will catch contested passes. He isn't terrific when pressed, and probably could work on route running, but how isn't he rated higher???

On Hunter- So he is a 6'4 WR who has a 4.4 40 and plays at that speed while on the field (counter: Michael Floyd has a 4.4 40, but I have never seen him play at that speed). I know there are health concerns, but I would think he would have risen above Keenan Allen and DeAndre Hopkins on the draft boards given that he has a higher ceiling.

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Also another question-

How far do you see Jarvis Jones falling? Last year I witnessed one of the most exciting players I had seen at the college level go undrafted in Vontaze Burfict (because he was ridiculously out of shape and had terrible interviews). I know Burfict had one of the worst combines/interviews for a prospect of his level ever, but I think I read somewhere that he raised his 40 to a more reasonable level at his pro day (unofficial 4.8 or 4.7 40). Do you think Burficts success at the NFL level, despite his horrid combine numbers, helps or hurts Jones? Could you see Jones dropping out of the first 2 rounds given recent events?
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Post#239 » by Icness » Sat Apr 6, 2013 12:02 am

I have rather unpopular stances on Hunter and Wheaton. Actually I know a lot of people who are as negative as I am about Hunter. Lots of physical ability and potential, but he cannot catch the ball and doesn't show a strong desire to catch the ball very often. Very soft; watched two different game tapes where he repeatedly turned down chances to throw a block or go hard over the middle. I wouldn't touch him before the third round. His best player comp to me is Jacoby Jones.

I am a distinct minority on Wheaton, who most draftniks seem to love. I get why. He's got excellent feet and hands, he is smart, and he can get open vertically. My concerns are that he is physically weak. He has very skinny legs and a small frame, brings up durability issues a la Amendola or Laurent Robinson. I would take a chance on Wheaton before Hunter and I wouldn't kill a team for taking him in the 40s because he could wind up being a good one. But my player comp is Taylor Price.
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Post#240 » by Icness » Sat Apr 6, 2013 12:07 am

Jarvis Jones--still a variable but he is not going before Pittsburgh picks. Not going to happen. My best educated guess is that he goes in the late 20s-early 30s. There is too much there for him to fall as low as DaQuan Bowers did.

Even absent the stenosis issue I do not have a first round grade on Jarvis Jones. I would not be comfortable taking him in the top 50. As I've said before, at least Aaron Maybin was fast.
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