Is Gholston being considered at #1?

Post #1 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 7:45 pm

Icness or a few of you 'Phin fans (um, are there any around?) may be able to help me answer this one.

Seems to me that Bill likes his freakish, havoc inducing OLBs. I also think that, while I feel Chris Long is probably the best player in the draft, he's somewhat wasted as a DE in a 3-4. In terms of impact on the field, I can't see him having more than a Demarcus Ware type OLB.

If I ran a 4-3 base, I'd be all over Long. Great at the point of attack and will probably get you double digit sacks, a lot like a more athletic Aaron Kampman. But in a 3-4?

I think, when all is said and done, Ryan will go #1. But I'd strongly consider Vernon there.

Ex-hippie · Post #2 » by **Ex-hippie** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 9:27 pm

When you think about it, he has a lot in common with Mario Williams. I think Williams was mostly thought to be in the 5-10 range a couple of months before the draft, then moved into the top 5, then the top 3, and then suddenly he was at the top. Like Williams, Gholston didn't always dominate in college, but has amazing physical attributes. It doesn't sound like too much of a stretch.

Post #3 » by **studcrackers** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 9:59 pm

DrugBust wrote:Icness or a few of you 'Phin fans (um, are there any around?) may be able to help me answer this one.

Seems to me that Bill likes his freakish, havoc inducing OLBs. I also think that, while I feel Chris Long is probably the best player in the draft, he's somewhat wasted as a DE in a 3-4. In terms of impact on the field, I can't see him having more than a Demarcus Ware type OLB.
If I ran a 4-3 base, I'd be all over Long. Great at the point of attack and will probably get you double digit sacks, a lot like a more athletic Aaron Kampman. But in a 3-4?

I think, when all is send and done, Ryan will go #1. But I'd strongly consider Vernon there.

why do u say that like its a bad thing? he's arguably the best LB in the game and a top 5 defensive player

Post #4 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:06 pm

studcrackers wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

why do u say that like its a bad thing? he's arguably the best LB in the game and a top 5 defensive player

Defensive much? That isn't what I'm saying, at all.

Re-read the sentence in context with the previous one.

NoSkyy · Post #5 » by **NoSkyy** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:14 pm

haha, he got you there studcrackers

GS Warriors 1 · Post #6 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:55 pm

I agree, DB.

I think Parcells will heavily consider Gholston. That guy will be a monster in the 3-4.

hermes · Post #7 » by **hermes** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:32 pm

i'm sure the tuna will consider him

Post #8 » by **studcrackers** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:38 pm

DrugBust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Defensive much? That isn't what I'm saying, at all.

Re-read the sentence in context with the previous one.

im not gonna lie i thought the wording was weird when i originally read it and thought about not posting it b/c of this type of thing happening. hell i sitll think the wording looks weird

Post #9 » by **Icness** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 11:21 pm

Honestly I couldn't tell you what the Dolphins are going to do--I'm not sure Parcells has even decided which options he wants to consider yet. They are playing things very close to the vest. One of their beat writers and I correspond occasionally and the last time I talked to him (in Indy) he said none of them could do more than guess.

OSU's pro day is this weekend and I will be in attendance. Hopefully I can glean something there on Gholston's draft future. I do know the Rams are quite high on him and that Gholston himself would prefer to stay in a 4-3 with his hand down.

Post #10 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 3:05 am

When is the last time a hybrid DE/LB has gone first, if ever?

It would be less surprising if he were going to be used as a DE, because it's not uncommon, but it's weird to think of a 3-4 LB going 1....

It's weird that I'm saying it, because I'm actually talking about the same guy

I think he should definitely be considered though.

Ex-hippie · Post #11 » by **Ex-hippie** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 3:26 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:When is the last time a hybrid DE/LB has gone first, if ever?

20 years ago - 1988, Aundray Bruce.
It nearly happened the year before that in 1987 (Cornelius Bennett with the #2 pick), the year after that in 1989 (Derrick Thomas #4), and 1990 (Keith McCants #4).

That was at the apex of the LT era, so it's understandable. But with a new generation of OLBs like Merriman and Ware starting to dominate, maybe those days are making a comeback.

Grenerd686 · Post #12 » by **Grenerd686** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 2:14 am

Chris Long is going #1 no way Gholston goes over Long.

Post #13 » by **Next Coming** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 8:11 am

Can we talk about Vernon Gholston's arms in this thread? They are huge.

Post #14 » by **moocow007** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:58 am

Next Coming wrote:Can we talk about Vernon Gholston's arms in this thread? They are huge.

OAKTREE NYK1 · Post #15 » by **OAKTREE NYK1** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:57 pm

That's one bad MOFO.......A Finely tuned athletic machine coach

Ex-hippie · Post #16 » by **Ex-hippie** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:57 pm

I just questioned my sexuality a little bit there.

Post #17 » by **Next Coming** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:03 pm

My loins are moist.

Post #18 » by **moocow007** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:40 pm

Here's something else to get worked up about...Gholston posted a 4.58 in the 40 and a 42" vertical during pro day. That's mind boggling for a 6'4" near 270lb guy.

As a point of reference WR's Limas Sweed has a 4.52 40, WR Malcom Kelly has a 4.55 40, WR Mario Manningham a 4.60 40. And these are 3 of the top 6 WR's in the draft.

Post #19 » by **revprodeji** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:44 am

WOW,

So is he OLB or DE long term? WHo does he compare to?

Post #20 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:09 am

I think it's safe to say he's being considered at #1.

Odds are it's either him or Long, right?

I think in the end Long prices himself out because he knows he'll go #2 if Miami doesn't take him. He doesn't have a reason to take a Miami-friendly deal. That'll open the door to Gholston being the top pick in the draft.