Some more Parcells's draft plan

[bigmean]

deal 1

Trade Ronnie Brown and fourth rounder #96 for Detriot first rounder overal 15th OT (Jeff Otah) and Shaun McDonald

Deal 2

Dallas gets the Dallas sends #1 overall for a resigned Marion Barber, Bobby Carpenter, Anthony Fasano, #22 overall G (Branden Albert) and #28 WR (Mario Manningham)

Deal 3

Jason Taylor and secound rounder pick #32 to Green BAy for picks #30 (Dan Connors or Joe Flacco) and #56 (SAfety or QB)

Miami ends up with four first rounders and some very valuable
players Carpenter, Barber, Mcdonald, Fasano

Miami picks first five rounders position suggestion
#15 O Line D line
#22 O Line WR value pick
#28 WR DB
#30 QB LB value pick
#56 Safety QB
#57 TE D line, value pick
#64 RB TE

[DH34Phan]

Deal one is terrible for Miami.

Deal two is terrible for Dallas.

Deal 3 is solid, I could see that.

[D J C]

Deals 2 and 3 are possiblities, if Dallas really gets that desperate for McFadden.

Deal 1 would never happen. Ronnie Brown was an elite RB last year before his injury. He's work much more than that IMO. And even if they did get Barber III in another trade, they still dont have any reason to trade Brown. Brown and Barber would make a great backfield to build your offense around.

[ReasonablySober]

Deals 2 and 3 are possiblities, if Dallas really gets that desperate for McFadden.

Deal 1 would never happen. Ronnie Brown was an elite RB last year before his injury. He's work much more than that IMO. And even if they did get Barber III in another trade, they still dont have any reason to trade Brown. Brown and Barber would make a great backfield to build your offense around.

You're nuts.

[studcrackers]

how is deal 1 bad for miami? you get a 1st round pick in the middle and a decent WR in shaun mcdonald for a guy who's coming off a pretty major injury

[D J C]

You're nuts.

How is that? A mid 1st is equal value for one of the elite young RBs in the league, even if he is coming off injury? I wouldnt think Miami would sell when his value is at its lowest. Theyd atleast would want to see if he can regain his pre-injury form. He was beasting last year before his injury. He was leading the league in total yards on the worst team in the league. He was averaging 5.1 ypc, and already had 39 receptions through 7 games. He was on pace for nearly 2300 total yards and nearly 100 receptions on one of the worst offenses in the league. Id think he'd be worth more than someone who can turn out to be just and average tackle.

[bigmean]

Parcells goal was to acquire a lot of talent and change the culture of Dolphins, Imagine Parcells with 7 of the first 65 picks
Miami picks first five rounders position I have research these picks base on walterfootball.com

#15 Jeff Otah, OT thebuilding a good o line
#22 Branden Albert, G the highest rated guard
#28 Mario Manningham, WR playmaker
#30 Joe Flacco, QB future starting QB
#56 Tom Zbikowski SS tough as nails
#57 ALi Highsmith, OLB value pick
#64 Ray Rice, RB value pick

these picks are pretty reasonable i Think Bill Parcells type players

look at this offense
WR Ted Ginn Jr. Mario Manningham Greg Camarillo Tab Perry Chandler Williams
TE David Martin Anthony Fasano Sean Ryan Justin Peelle Aaron Halterman
LT Vernon Carey
LG Justin Smiley Ikechuku Ndukwe
C Samson Satele Drew Mormino
RG Branen Albert C. LekkerkerkerTrey Darilek
RT Jeff Otah Julius Wilson
WR Ernest Wilford, Shaun McDonald Derek Hagan Kerry Reed David Kircus
QB Josh McCown Joe Flacco John Beck Casey Bramlet Matt Baker
FB Reagan Mauia Boomer Grigsby
RB Marion Barber III, Ricky Williams, Ray Rice, Lorenzo Booker Patrick Cobbs


defensive

Base 3-4 D
POS STARTER 2nd 3rd 4th
LDE Randy Starks Vonnie Holliday Derreck Robinson
NT Jason Ferguson Steve Fifita Paul Soliai
RDE Matt Roth Rodrique Wright
LOLB Charlie Anderson, ALi Highsmith Rob Ninkovich Quentin Moses
LILB Bobby Carpenter, Reggie Torbor Mark Washington
RILB Channing Crowder, Edmond Miles Kelvin Smith
ROLB Joey Porter, Abraham Wright Marcello Church
CB Will Allen Andre Goodman Joey Thomas
SS Tom Zbikowski Yeremiah Bell Cameron Worrell Courtney Bryan
FS Jason Allen Renaldo Hill Jereme Perry
CB Mike Lehan Travis Daniels

[studcrackers]

i wish people would stop putting the cowboys in proposals where we trade up for mcfadden, ITS NOT HAPPENING!!!!! At least for a proposal as absurd as this

[OAKTREE NYK1]

I agree. Nobody wants the damn burden of the 1st pick this year when there really isnt a clear cut guy. You can run off atleast 4 good names of propects that could go number #1. The Phins will be trying to sell Matt Ryan so that they may get a team like Atlanta to fork over an extra second. Ideally then they will select the best Long left at #3. I dont think it's going to happen though and I still continue to view the pick as Jake Long.

Myself personally I really like to study depth charts and recent free agent signings then I look at the teams biggest need that is left on there roster and usually choose BPA using a player ranking system that has been created by either scott or some other scouting sites.

Many haven chosen Chris Long to the Dolphins but I on the other hand have chosen Jake Long and here is the reason why


LT???? LG????? C Samson Satele RG Justin Smiley RT Vernon Carey

Trey Darilek,Drew Mormino, and Cory Lekkerrker.

* Offensive line is missing the complete left side on my current depth chart. I have very little backup talent as well.


Many say well this is a very deep tackle draft. And my response to that is what if the draft falls like this...

2-3 St. Louis or Atlanta select OT Jake Long

5 Kansas City Cheifs select OT Ryan Clady

Carolina Panthers select OT Chris Williams

Chicago Bears or Detroit Lions select OT Jeff Otah

Pittsburgh Steelers,San Diego Chargers, or Seattle Seahawks select OT Gosder Cherilus

So now Miami is in a position with the number 33 pick to select

A. QB Joe Flacco
B. OT Anthony Collins
C. OT Sam Baker


* In this scenario a player like Flacco would trump the value of the OT's that are left. Your team currently has a huge hole at OT remaining but you chose to go with Chris Long. If you choose OT Jake Long with the 1st pick then Joe Flacco gives you a great value pick at the top of that round. Let alone they are probably going to be higher rated corners and linebackers that will trump the value of the OT that is left over after the 1st round wave. Do the Phins really want to sweat this one out and hope a starting caliber tackle falls to them at the back end in the second????? I dont think so. At least not if I was running the team.


Looking at my current defense

OLB Jason Taylor (Rumors are out there but even Taylor himself has denied all rumors of a deal of him wanting out. Until he is officially dealt then I am going to count him as one of my starting 3-4 elephant backers.

OLB Joey Porter- The prior regime has invested a ton of guaranteed money in him so I just cant release him. He was very producitive playing 3-4 for the Steelers so we can attest his struggles last year due to the fact that they played him as a SLB and as a former defensive end out of Colorado he wasnt really suited for those duties. Count him in as my other starting 3-4 OLB

OLB Quentin Moses- 3rd round pick seems ideally suited to be an OLB in a 3-4. Raiders tried him as a DE but that is not his spot as we love his potential to really shine in our style of defense.

OLB Reggie Torbor- Played strong side linebacker for the Giants but was originally a defense end coming out of Auburn. We may be able to develop him as an ILB in the 3-4 or even bring him off the edge since he has experience being a undersized defensive end.

DE/OLB Matt Roth- He may be too small to play end in our 3-4 but we are going to have to find a spot for this kid. He has experience playing linebacker from his highschool days and he was also slated to play linebacker at Iowa until the coaching staff felt his tenacity would be better served at DE. He is currently at 272 so getting him to about 265 shouldnt be a problem. Has always been known to have a non stop motor so he could be a surprise.

OLB Abraham Wright- 7th round pick lay over from Colorado surprised many during training camp until getting hurt. Developmental prospect who might make a nitch with special teams.


I currently have a total of 6 capable 3-4 OLB's even without the addition of Chris Long.

I feel this research that has been compiled here allows me to form a good opinion on why I think OT Jake Long goes to the Miami Dolphins over Chris Long.

[bigmean]

I apolgizes for weak depth chart, i lifted for the one site that thought was credible, Espn.com

it is diffuclt to trade your two biggest asset i.e. Ronnie Brown and #1 pick, but this team has been a loser this decade, and massive changes are needed, 7 pick in the first 65 with draft, would go far in improves themself and may make them a fringe playoff team in the near future.

[ReasonablySober]

You're nuts.

How is that? A mid 1st is equal value for one of the elite young RBs in the league, even if he is coming off injury? I wouldnt think Miami would sell when his value is at its lowest. Theyd atleast would want to see if he can regain his pre-injury form. He was beasting last year before his injury. He was leading the league in total yards on the worst team in the league. He was averaging 5.1 ypc, and already had 39 receptions through 7 games. He was on pace for nearly 2300 total yards and nearly 100 receptions on one of the worst offenses in the league. Id think he'd be worth more than someone who can turn out to be just and average tackle.

Well, look at what McGahee fetched. He's a month younger than Brown, also a first round pick. Unlike Brown, Willis has also been able to stay healthy as a pro, missing only two games in his first three years. He was traded for two thirds and a seventh.

If Brown had stayed completely healthy and had a couple 1500 yard seasons under him, I could see Miami getting a first rounder. But he hasn't, and they couldn't.