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I'll update this again once all the underclassmen declare or not, then again after Senior Bowl week. My top 7-8 are basically static though.

I am aware Terrence Cody is on there twice. Put him a lot closer to #55 because dude has serious personal control issues. Talent-wise he is as good as Pat Williams right now, maybe even Shaun Rogers, but I'm not at all sold he can stay in shape physically or mentally long enough to make that sort of impact. I'm not alone in that thinking either.

Obligatory Tim Tebow opinion:
I think the Sugar Bowl is a great microcosm of what he is: best natural leader in years, perhaps ever, to play QB in college. Tough both physically and mentally. Very good at finding his first read and deciphering what it should be based on the defense. Good at throwing on the run, better than when he's in the pocket. Accuracy needs lots of work--he gets it to his receiver but they have to work for it, often breaking stride or reaching out. There were at least 7 times against UC where his receiver could have scored with a better throw, but Tebow merely just got them the ball and they got tackled. That's the difference between Peyton Manning's laser and Alex Smith's elephant gun--the completion percentages aren't drastically different, but life is a lot easier catching from one than the other.

Tebow throws hard strikes on short throws (see the Hernandez TD and early 3rd down conversion) but on longer throws his receivers have to slow down or alter course or leap up to make the catch--and it's still coming real hard and flat. Reminds me some of Derek Anderson...and I think that's the kind of NFL QB Tim Tebow will be--streaky, hard-throwing, great with time to throw, prone to WTF INTs and bad misses. Tebow is much more mobile and offers the run threat, and those leadership skills are real hard to ignore. I'd love to see him get on a team that doesn't need him to play for 1-2 years, sitting and learning behind a real mentor with a teaching QB coach that played the game.

Thanks, I always find these interesting to compare.

Any reason why some guys like Russell Okung and Bryan Bulaga are absent?

BTW, Bruce Carter is on here twice as well.

Plug Okung in at #9 in place of Cody, that's what I meant to do but I never cut/pasted it right.

I think Bulaga is overrated but he belongs somewhere. Maybe where the second Carter is in the 50s.

I'm also moving Lefevour up and LaFell too. Frankly I'm always tinkering with this thing...

What are the scouting reports on Noel Devine? Is he even entering the draft this year? Is he even worth mentioning? Haha, sorry I'm pretty noobish when it comes to the NFL.

No Brandon Spikes in the top 103?

Devine could declare this year. He has the children factor, and after a back-to-back 1000 yard seasons he might as well. I think it's always good for RBs to come out early if they have been fairly productive, considering the shelf life concern for the position.

When he does come out, I could see him taken in the 3rd round area, with potential to move up or down a round from there depending on offseason performance before the draft. Considering a decent amount of depth at RB this year (Spiller, Dwyer, Best, Mathews, Gerhart, Dixon, possibly Royster/McKnight) who could be considered as 'more complete' backs, I could see him slipping a little, but his speed should still get him taken in the first few rounds.

Bulaga is pretty good, but i think he is being thrown in with the likes of our other great linemen of the past, so i can see where you're coming from saying he's overrated

he can be really good most of the time, but can make his mistakes too, but he's solid

nice to see calloway on there too, usually iowa's other linemen get overshadowed by bulaga

jeff,

do you think that tony moeaki will be a good te in the pros?

hermes wrote:Bulaga is pretty good, but i think he is being thrown in with the likes of our other great linemen of the past, so i can see where you're coming from saying he's overrated

he can be really good most of the time, but can make his mistakes too, but he's solid

nice to see calloway on there too, usually iowa's other linemen get overshadowed by bulaga

jeff,

do you think that tony moeaki will be a good te in the pros?

If Moeaki can stay healthy he's every bit as good as Brent Celek, very similar type of player. Big if though, because dude is always battling some minor injury.

I probably like Calloway more than Bulaga, more of a finished product and one freaking nasty run blocker. I like that he's a right tackle and proud of it, not trying to say he can move left to improve his draft stock. His hand punch is Logan Mankins good already.

Icness,
What happened to the Georgia Defensive Tackles? Atkins and Owens. Have they completely fallen of the prospect map?
Also do college coaches tend to pick their former players in the draft? Just curious as a seahawk fan with Caroll coming to Seattle. I didnt follow the draft that back and the only example i know of is when petrino bypassed Amobi Okoye(his own player) to take bust Jamaal Anderson.

Thanks for the great job you do.

asdf1223 wrote:Icness,
What happened to the Georgia Defensive Tackles? Atkins and Owens. Have they completely fallen of the prospect map?
Also do college coaches tend to pick their former players in the draft? Just curious as a seahawk fan with Caroll coming to Seattle. I didnt follow the draft that back and the only example i know of is when petrino bypassed Amobi Okoye(his own player) to take bust Jamaal Anderson.

Thanks for the great job you do.

Atkins has a poor reputation, not noted as a worker or real receptive to coaching. He's the more talented of the two but also more likely to fail. He really fell off when Owens was out and that hurts his stock, shows he's not a frontline player but rather a secondary contributor. He's got a tweener problem too--he plays like a NT but he's barely 290, and he's not quick enough to play 3-4 DE or 3-technique in a 4-3.

Owens kind of gets overlooked because he's not a big penetration guy. He's got some Domata Peko to him IMO; active hands, hard to move, quick laterally for his size, gets off blocks. He lost some explosion with that knee injury and it hasn't fully come back yet. He's going to the Senior Bowl so that should help him because the OL prospects are not real strong this year. Just being in Mobile usually raises a lineman at least one round in the draft for the lower-tier guys like him.

As for the college coaches, they know their old players better than anyone. Like you said about Petrino and Okoye, or when TEN took Vince Young when they had Norm Chow and passed on his pupil Matt Leinart, it does happen and when it does the coach was usually right. Petrino was emphatic that he didn't want Okoye because he thought he was too far away from being ready to contribute at that high a level for that pick...and that's about the only thing Bobby Petrino has been right about in the last 5 years. It seems to me that they tend to pick players they faced in college as much or more than their own players, thinking back to Butch Davis in Cleveland or Nick Saban in Miami. Carroll might be different because it's freaking USC and also because he's been in the NFL before. I'll bet real good $$ he wants nothing to do with Taylor Mays in the 1st though

Thanks a ton man. And i would be happy not to see Mays in a seahawk uniform next year even though that will be the cliched pick this year.