Penn State mess/Sandusky

[Da Schwab]

Really, really sad situation here. It's a shame Joe Pa's career had to end this way, but Penn St. had to do this.

[JACKBARNEY]

Nice job by the trustees at PSU.
It's not easy firing an icon like Paterno.
For the first time PSU sent the message that the victims are more important than the football program.

I'm hoping that Paterno lives to be 100 years old and spends all his free time thinking about the victims of the monster he gave a free pass to.

[LAKESHOW]

I wouldn't penalize the school, their fans, and the players for this......with the incidents occurring a long time ago

But they'll all have to carry the shame of being associated with this dark shadow.....

The BOT's are meeting tonight and I'd expect that Spanier and Paterno probably hit the door tomorrow.....jmo.

So its ok for the NCAA to strip Bush of his Heisman years after he won it, and remove wins from the USC books but it's not OK to remove wins for child molestation? Double standard there dude. If any university deserves the death penalty or something close to it, its Penn State. This is real folks, this is real life. This isn't some 19 year old kid selling merch for tats. Real people have been hurt, physically, mentally, and emotionally.

USC/Bush were completely different.

That was cheating..... and gains were enabled because of football infractions.

This scandal is criminal, the disgusting pedophile will go to jail, and as despicable as this is not a football issue.

THIS IS NOT A FOOTBALL ISSUE?!?! SANDUSKY BUILT HIS REPUTATION AND WAS GIVEN POWER AND AUTHORITY THROUGH HIS FOOTBALL HISTORY! Sandusky built the power and reputation of his charity to gather these kids together to rape them beause he was a GREAT FOOTBALL COACH AT PENN STAT UNIVERSITY! THE ABILITY TO USE THE SHOWERS IN AND AROUND THE CAMPUS WAS DUE TO SANDUSKYS LONGSTANDING FOOTBALL REPUTATION AT PENN STATE. Sandusky was given a pass and was not pursued by authorities because their buddy was an 'ol LONGSTANDING FOOTBALL COACH!

[Worm Guts]

Just because a football coach breaks a law doesn't make it football related. The Penn St. football team didn't win more games because Sandusky was molesting kids. The NCAA steps in when you cheat at football, the police step in when you break the law. This is clearly an example of the latter.

[Icness]

The PSU football program was directly complicit with Sandusky committing these activities. Without the PSU football program covering him, his acts would have stopped in 1998. They facilitated his crimes by continuing to allow him access to the program and funneling kids into his camps. That is lack of institutional control involving the football program and the NCAA absolutely has a duty to impose sanctions because of that. Taking away wins is pointless, nobody really cares. They need to hit them going forward. It sucks for the players currently there, but like at Baylor or SMU in their respective scandals they will be given chances to continue their careers elsewhere. In my mind there is little difference between what JoePa and his program did and what Dave Bliss did at Baylor, maybe even worse because their inaction and deliberate denial led to further crimes.

[Iplaytolose]

Nice job by the trustees at PSU.
It's not easy firing an icon like Paterno.
For the first time PSU sent the message that the victims are more important than the football program.

I'm hoping that Paterno lives to be 100 years old and spends all his free time thinking about the victims of the monster he gave a free pass to.

I wouldn't say they did a nice job because they didn't fire McQueary, who was too much of a pussy to stop Sandusky when he caught him red handed in the shower with a little boy. Mike McQueary is going to be the interim head coach... wtf. It's really McQueary's fault for not being active and doing something about it if Paterno didn't after he told him what happened. Personally, I would have ripped Sandusky out the shower with the little boy, beaten his ass, then called the cops.

[High 5]

That was cheating. Gains were made because of their acts.

This is undeniably far worse, but those actions were not football related.

This is a criminal matter.

I agree. You strip wins, accomplishments, scholarships, etc. for infractions that benefit the program. This is a worse but different matter.

[lpsevier]

I think they should not let Penn State field a football teamfor at least two years. I hate it for the walk ons, but the scholarship kids will all be free to go anywhere else and will all get offers elsewhere.

Kill the program completely next year and the year after, with the potential to make them an FCS school after that.

This is horrible and disgusting, and as a father makes me angry. I doubt the NCAA does much moving forward, probably all retro stuff that no one cares about.

[JACKBARNEY]

You just get the feeling that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Matt Millen made some comment about a freight train is coming, we can hear it, it just hasn't arrived yet.

With people eventually going to jail and/or losing their jobs I can't help but think some people may start talking. Sandusky was one of the top assistants in college football and retires at the age of 55? Clearly some sort of deal was made.

McQuery might be the one to watch. Who's going to hire this guy? If he's on the sidelines on Saturday I can't help but think that their are people at PSU who want to keep him from spilling the beans.

This is going to get Ugly.

[craig01]

You just get the feeling that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Matt Millen made some comment about a freight train is coming, we can hear it, it just hasn't arrived yet.

With people eventually going to jail and/or losing their jobs I can't help but think some people may start talking. Sandusky was one of the top assistants in college football and retires at the age of 55? Clearly some sort of deal was made.

McQuery might be the one to watch. Who's going to hire this guy? If he's on the sidelines on Saturday I can't help but think that their are people at PSU who want to keep him from spilling the beans.

This is going to get Ugly.

He's been very quiet. Probably for good reason.

How on earth could he stay at PSU for all of these years if his allegations were true and Sandusky remained active at the school?

I just want to know exactly what he told Paterno and then the administrators the following week.

[EtchenBa]

This is just a rumor at this point, but a Pittsburgh radio station is reporting that there are going to be allegations coming out that Sandusky used the Second Mile organization to basically pimp out boys to big time donors to the Penn State football program. As far as I know these are unsubstantiated right now, but at the same time I heard from someone last night that there was another bombshell that would likely come out over the course of the next few days (probably about Second Mile), so at this point I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this was it.

If true, this thing just went from horrendously bad to far, far worse.

[craig01]

This is just a rumor at this point, but a Pittsburgh radio station is reporting that there are going to be allegations coming out that Sandusky used the Second Mile organization to basically pimp out boys to big time donors to the Penn State football program. As far as I know these are unsubstantiated right now, but at the same time I heard from someone last night that there was another bombshell that would likely come out over the course of the next few days (probably about Second Mile), so at this point I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this was it.

If true, this thing just went from horrendously bad to far, far worse.

God i hope that's not true.

Was listening to the sports station in Harrisburg.....they were talking about it as well.

[Roger Murdock]

If thats true what happens? Like seriously what can you do at that point? Could Penn State be permanently shut down?

[craig01]

If thats true what happens? Like seriously what can you do at that point? Could Penn State be permanently shut down?

Who knows....first it has to be true.......and personally I hope it never happened

[LAKESHOW]

That was cheating. Gains were made because of their acts.

This is undeniably far worse, but those actions were not football related.

This is a criminal matter.

I agree. You strip wins, accomplishments, scholarships, etc. for infractions that benefit the program. This is a worse but different matter.

If that were the case, then they would not have fired THE FOOTBALL COACH! cmon 5, you sound like those idiot PennState students runnin amok and rioting in pennsylvania.

[High 5]

If that were the case, then they would not have fired THE FOOTBALL COACH! cmon 5, you sound like those idiot PennState students runnin amok and rioting in pennsylvania.

They fired Paterno for his failure as a human being, not as a football coach. Penn State needs to clean house for sure, but the program, based on what we know, should not be punished by the NCAA.

[craig01]

If that were the case, then they would not have fired THE FOOTBALL COACH! cmon 5, you sound like those idiot PennState students runnin amok and rioting in pennsylvania.

They fired Paterno for his failure as a human being, not as a football coach. Penn State needs to clean house for sure, but the program, based on what we know, should not be punished by the NCAA.

There is a growing "mob" mentality with regard to the football program.

The NCAA has stated that once the criminal issues are dealt with then the NCAA will search it's bylaws to investigate whether PSU may have violated any of them.

[Icness]

I am inclined to not believe the Maddox "story" until proven otherwise. He's a Pittsburgh guy and Pittsburgh people hate PSU as a general rule. It's sick enough what went on in plain sight, even if those pimping rumors prove false.

There is no doubt the athletic department and the university as a whole showed a serious lack of institutional control. Because the incidents occurred on athletic dept. property after Sandusky had already been banned, they are culpable and complicit in the crimes whether they like it or not.

I think they at least need to get hit as hard as Baylor's basketball team did from the NCAA--no nonconference games for a year, no postseason for 4 years, staggered reduction in scholarships, having the NCAA open a compliance office on campus, 10 years of probation. If it was just JoePa I would argue that his removal and a couple of years of probation and a hadnful of lost scholarships would be enough, but the activity here goes beyond JoePa.

[Worm Guts]

Baylor was still much different though, that was the head coach giving players money along with many other issues. Is there a situation that's comparable to what happened at Penn St? This still doesn't appear to be a situation where NCAA rules were broken.

[EtchenBa]

DA who was investingating Sandusky went missing, laptop thrown in river after hard drive removed.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/11/10 ... ?hpt=hp_t1