College Football: Buy or Sell 2008 Edition

meatball sub · Post #21 » by **meatball sub** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 10:46 pm

A.J. wrote:
ElTurco wrote:Sell. Though, they ll have a solid showing in North Dakota Credit Unions Bowl.

Buy or Sell, There will be at least 25 arrests in OSU championship parade.

Sell: OSU will not make the BCS title game.

Buy or Sell: Georgia Tech will lead the league in rushing.

Sell, if by league you mean ACC, I say Clemson since they have the two best RBs in the conference.

Buy or Sell: Ohio State will have at least one player arrested this season.

A.J. · Post #22 » by **A.J.** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 5:30 pm

bove310 wrote:
A.J. wrote:
ElTurco wrote:Sell. Though, they ll have a solid showing in North Dakota Credit Unions Bowl.

Buy or Sell, There will be at least 25 arrests in OSU championship parade.

Sell: OSU will not make the BCS title game.

Buy or Sell: Georgia Tech will lead the league in rushing.

Sell, if by league you mean ACC, I say Clemson since they have the two best RBs in the conference.

Buy or Sell: Ohio State will have at least one player arrested this season.

Buy

Buy or Sell: Auburn will be in the SEC Championship

meatball sub · Post #23 » by **meatball sub** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:22 am

A.J. wrote:
Buy

Buy or Sell: Auburn will be in the SEC Championship

Sell, Georgia is the team to beat IMO.

Buy or Sell: USF will run away with the Big East in 08'.

Post #24 » by **Da Schwab** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:23 pm

bove310 wrote:Sell, Georgia is the team to beat IMO.

Buy or Sell: USF will run away with the Big East in 08'.

I would love to buy this, but USF is notorious for giving away wins late in the season, so I'll have to sell it.

Buy or Sell: Miami (FL) will begin its return to old form with double digit wins this season.

Post #25 » by **PhilipNelsonFan** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:02 pm

Sell, sell, sell like a share of Enron. I don't think Miami wins more than 7 games this year. All they are on offense is a running game and they're really young on defense.

In a similar vein, buy or sell that Alabama wins 8 or more games this year.

Post #26 » by **Da Schwab** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:32 pm

Sell. I'll go with 7 wins and very disappointing Bowl loss to a team from a non-BCS conference.

Buy or Sell: Jimmy Clausen doesn't live up to his own hype, by having a horrible year, and proves to be a huge recruiting bust for Notre Dame.

El Turco · Post #27 » by **El Turco** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:23 pm

Buy. Just like the program he plays for, he is very overrated

B/S: Texas Tech will make it to a BCS bowl.

Post #28 » by **PhilipNelsonFan** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:28 am

Buy, if for no other reason than because I want it to happen. But they are returning, like, the best defense the Red Raiders have had in 15 years or so. It has legs. They'd likely be the second Big VI team to make it, though, which annoys me as a Pac-10 junkie to no end.

re: Clausen, I would have sold that too, but I think he'll just be mediocre on the college level. Still, not as good as hyped.

Buy or sell: Fresno State finally wins the WAC championship.

Post #29 » by **Da Schwab** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:49 pm

My last B or S was going to be about Fresno State, but for some reason I couldn't remember what my question was going to be at the time of typing.

I'm going to buy that, BTW, Fresno State has a team that could really go places with a few early season wins.... which leads to my next question.

Buy or Sell: Fresno State will defeat Rutgers at the Rac, and Wisconsin in Fresno to make a run for a BCS bid.

WAYSA · Post #30 » by **WAYSA** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:32 pm

Sell.. I think they will beat Rutgers though.

Buy or Sell: Illinois finishes first or second in the B10.

Posey H8er · Post #31 » by **Posey H8er** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:55 am

Hmm... I'll try not to be a homer but I'll buy them finishing second. The past two seasons Zook has recruited like mad and the only noticeable losses are Mendenhall and J Leman. Losing Mendenhall is tough but Illinois still has some talent in their running system. Their defense should be improved despite the loss of Leman and Juice will be amazing. Still, Penn State and Wisconsin scare me. But NO WAY Illinois finished first.

Buy or sell: LSU finishes 1st in the SEC.

Post #32 » by **Da Schwab** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:33 am

Sell. This season will be a dawg fight, though (get it.... "dawg" fight?) between LSU, Georgia and Florida. I don't think UF has the D to go along with Jesus 3.0's amazing offensive abilities, and I'm not sure LSU has the offense needed to stay competitive with either of those teams, but Georgia has one of the most well rounded teams I've seen in a while.

Buy or Sell: Bo Pelini will lead the Nebraska Cornhuskers to a Big 12 North championship this season.

El Turco · Post #33 » by **El Turco** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:08 pm

Sell. I think he ll be successful eventually but he needs some time to rebuild. Plus, Missouri is looking good there.

B/S: Big 12 will surpass SEC and become the best conference this season.

Post #34 » by **Da Schwab** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:38 pm

Big ol' Sell on that one, Turco. The SEC is just way too strong overall. There are teams all up and down that conference that have a real chance at making it to a bowl game, plus the recruits brought into the SEC this year are insane. The Big 12 just doesn't have the pop the SEC does (I also can't give the Big 12 that honor if Texas Tech may be the best team coming out of that part of the nation this year).

B or S: The Pac 10 is the weakest MAJOR conference in football.

(That's right, I said it. Even weaker than the Big Least.)

Post #35 » by **Icness** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:29 pm

I'll buy that, for this season anyways. Certainly no conference gets more undue love than the Pac-10.
From The Sporting News message boards:
Over the last 4 seasons, the Pac-10 is 8-35 in games played east of the Rockies including bowl games. 3 of those wins are USC or UCLA at Notre Dame. That drops the legit record to 5-35.
By way of comparison, the Big 12 excluding Colorado, which is in the Rockies, is 26-54 west of the Rockies in the same period. The Big Ten is 10-22, with 7 of those losses as the road team in the Rose Bowl both regular season and the Bowl itself.
Take out USC and the Pac-10 isn't close to the Big East.

Buy or Sell: Texas Tech wins the Big 12 South.

Post #36 » by **PhilipNelsonFan** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:17 pm

Buy. Texas is making its usual preseason noise but probably won't do anything this year, and I seriously doubt Oklahoma will be as good as last year, even with Sam Bradford back for one more. Tie between the Okies and the Red Raiders goes to the team I like the most.

re: Pac-10, also consider that the Oklahomas and Missouris of the world load up on teams like Central Washington, Sacramento State and UC Davis, schools that aren't in the Pac-10 and hurt the school's overall profile. If you exclude Colorado, then I'd argue the Pac-10 has the right to exclude Washington State or Arizona because Colorado brings down the Big VI's record over that span. Not saying that that isn't an ugly stat, but you can't judge a conference's overall performance solely based upon that.

And how the hell is the Pac-10 worse than the Big East even without USC? The Pac-10 has much better quality depth. The perceived problem with the Pac-10 is that it's an all-out, "every given Saturday" war in conference play where teams rarely if ever go undefeated, and CFB analysts call that a bad thing.

Anyway...

Buy or sell: there will be a three-win difference between Ohio State and the next-best Big Eleven team.

Post #37 » by **Da Schwab** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:18 pm

I'll sell that one, PNF. I think OSU has a real shot at losing 3 games this season, though its incredibly likely they won't. They have 3 incredibly tough road games this year: at USC, Illinois and Wisconsin. Plus, a few trap games (Minny, Troy and Purdue) that could make it a 1-2 game difference between them and whoever ends up #2.

B or S: An Armed Forces team will finish the season in the Top 25.

Post #38 » by **GSWbandwagon** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:47 pm

that pac10 stat is a really strange one. not highly relevant and weirdly selective (why don't wins at notre dame count? why do losses at notre dame count when throwing out wins there?)

i'm not sure the #s are right either. the last 4 years are the 2004-2007 seasons. looking at just my cal bears (because i remember cal games and would have to research other teams) there is only 1 loss in that timespan. there are a few games (all wins) that fall right along that rocky mountain border, like at air force, at colorado st, and at new mexico state. there are wins at southern miss and the armed forces bowl (in texas). so ignoring the border wins, cal is 2-1 in such games. and just for the heck of it, i'm looking up usc. in that timespan, ignoring the notre dame games, they've won in maryland, florida, arkansas, and nebraska. they've lost none. so cal and usc are a combined 6-1 east of the rockies ignoring notre dame games in that timespan. does that mean that the rest of the pac10 actually won a combined NEGATIVE one game and lost 34?

i'll take a big sell on fabricated statistics copied from other internet message boards.

A.J. · Post #39 » by **A.J.** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:40 pm

Buy or Sell:

Houston wins the CUSA

Red Robot · Post #40 » by **Red Robot** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:29 pm

GSWbandwagon wrote:that pac10 stat is a really strange one. not highly relevant and weirdly selective (why don't wins at notre dame count? why do losses at notre dame count when throwing out wins there?)

i'm not sure the #s are right either. the last 4 years are the 2004-2007 seasons. looking at just my cal bears (because i remember cal games and would have to research other teams) there is only 1 loss in that timespan. there are a few games (all wins) that fall right along that rocky mountain border, like at air force, at colorado st, and at new mexico state. there are wins at southern miss and the armed forces bowl (in texas). so ignoring the border wins, cal is 2-1 in such games. and just for the heck of it, i'm looking up usc. in that timespan, ignoring the notre dame games, they've won in maryland, florida, arkansas, and nebraska. they've lost none. so cal and usc are a combined 6-1 east of the rockies ignoring notre dame games in that timespan. does that mean that the rest of the pac10 actually won a combined NEGATIVE one game and lost 34?

i'll take a big sell on fabricated statistics copied from other internet message boards.

It's becoming pretty clear that stat is made up. Oregon is 3-1 east of the rockies in the last four years. Wins in Michigan, Houston, and at the Sun Bowl, and a Loss at Oklahoma.

Oregon State also won the sun bowl in that period. And off the top of my head Washington won at Syracuse a couple years ago and Stanford won at Navy. Not that those mean anything, but it's starting to show how far off those numbers are.