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Canes in big trouble
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:02 am
by craig01
Yahoo sports released a damning article about the U and a former boosters illegal activities.
Gifts, parties, cash for players and recruits over 8/9 years........ouch
If true and substantiated......
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:02 am
by Carlos4Heat
I sure hope "The U" doesn't receive the SMU treatment.
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:04 pm
by Rafael122
It's been happening down there since the 1980s. Why should we be surprised?
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:50 pm
by craig01
Rafael122 wrote:It's been happening down there since the 1980s. Why should we be surprised?
Despite the overwhelming evidence already produced, some the affirming evidence comes from the released picture in the article with the notation "lil Luke" on it.
Rapper Luther Campbell was the driving force behind Miami's corruption in the 80's, and was called "Uncle Luke" by team members.
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:14 pm
by Icness
I heard Luther Campbell on a radio show yesterday and he is smoking mad at this guy. I give Luther some credit, he still has the passion and the loyalty to The U. and he really distanced himself from all this mess.
It's funny to watch some U. alums try to scramble out of this. The local media here was all over Andre Johnson and Eric Winston and they were like, "Uh, I knew him and that's all I want to say." Winston is one of the best, most honest and most loquacious talkers in the NFL and he was basically befuddled at what to say.
I don't see any way the NCAA can keep any sort of disciplinary credibility if they don't kill Miami's program. I mean, a convicted Ponzi schemer admits to laundering money by paying recruits to go to Miami; pays them cash, drugs, hookers, and other illegal benefits; donates hundreds of thousands of dollars to the university (they have a picture of U. President Donna Shalala happily accepting a $50K check from him). If that doesn't say "lack of institutional control" then nothing does.
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:02 pm
by craig01
Giving the death penalty like SMU received in the mid-80's is going to be a lot harder in this day and age.
While SMU was decent for 5-6 years in the Southwest Conference, they still weren't the big dogs then. Television revenue was minimal for both the conferences and individual teams....as there were few options to watch games. Back then, you could see maybe a few national games on a saturday, but that was about it.,
The difference today is that UM is still one of the prominent ACC teams (even though their record says otherwise), and the U getting a death penalty would hurt the conference members as well as possibly cause renegotiation/litigation with the networks over TV rights.
The NCAA's enforcement of cheating teams is more about salvaging some credibility as the police while keeping the revenue engines running.
To your point though, if these allegations are proven fairly accurate, then this case resembles SMU on the grandest scale......and yes the death penalty is deserving.
I just doubt it will happen......or to any major football school ever
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:59 am
by Icness
The TV money is tough to ignore. I am a little surprised at how readily everyone just laps up what this convict has to say too. There are two sides to the story and I do think it's hasty to just accept this loser's word as gold. But it is The U. and it's been going on since Michael Irvin was getting envelopes of blow in psychology class from a booster's kid that "just happened" to be in his class.
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:03 pm
by Rafael122
Irvin was getting coke in an envelope? Did he hate Psychology that much?
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:57 pm
by craig01
Icness wrote:The TV money is tough to ignore. I am a little surprised at how readily everyone just laps up what this convict has to say too. There are two sides to the story and I do think it's hasty to just accept this loser's word as gold. But it is The U. and it's been going on since Michael Irvin was getting envelopes of blow in psychology class from a booster's kid that "just happened" to be in his class.
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:03 pm
by craig01
Another consideration is about the collateral damage caused to other programs should UM get the death penalty.....just think of the emergency scheduling nightmares that all of UM's opponents would face should the Canes lose football for a year.
In the 80's there was still a lot of flexibility with scheduling, but today, no more.
In fact, just a ban from TV games for a year or two will piss off all of the opposing team's fan bases as well ......as their teams will be in the dark too as they won't see their team on TV either.
There is some chatter coming from Mark Emmert about invoking the death penalty, but I'd wager a ton of money that this is just posturing.
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:40 pm
by Da Schwab
Living in south Florida in the early 2000s during their second heyday was entertaining. Everyone in my county (Palm Beach) down was a Canes fan and couldn't be taught otherwise. A few of my dad's coworkers had kids who went to the U for football and ended up coming home with new wardrobes: Polo, Nike, Jordan, chains, diamond earrings, etc. and new cars (nice SUVs and sedans) with rims. That stuff couldn't be afforded on supermarket deli clerk budgets that their parents were making. It was crazy seeing that stuff as a kid, but I never really made anything of it until now.
Something crazy was going on down in Coral Gables for years and it really sucks that kids that I know from high school are getting punished for it now.
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:47 pm
by craig01
Da Schwab wrote:Living in south Florida in the early 2000s during their second heyday was entertaining. Everyone in my county (Palm Beach) down was a Canes fan and couldn't be taught otherwise. A few of my dad's coworkers had kids who went to the U for football and ended up coming home with new wardrobes: Polo, Nike, Jordan, chains, diamond earrings, etc. and new cars (nice SUVs and sedans) with rims. That stuff couldn't be afforded on supermarket deli clerk budgets that their parents were making. It was crazy seeing that stuff as a kid, but I never really made anything of it until now.
Something crazy was going on down in Coral Gables for years and it really sucks that kids that I know from high school are getting punished for it now.
I'd just call it a school tradition....lol
It's sad though
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:20 pm
by Da Schwab
It really is tradition, it's just a shame that it took the NCAA this long to right the ship. There are guys I know from my HS and other HS's around the state that I met through journalistic ventures that will be rocked by whatever punishment is handed down. The entire athletic department may get shut down, being as Frank Haith and Jim Morris have also been named in some exchanges.
I support the death penalty in all shapes and forms, but it just sucks seeing some good people get the short end of the stick.
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:30 am
by bagsboy
I am a Seminole fan that hates Miami but I also love college football, so I find this sad.
Re: Canes in big trouble
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:07 am
by craig01
Da Schwab wrote:It really is tradition, it's just a shame that it took the NCAA this long to right the ship. There are guys I know from my HS and other HS's around the state that I met through journalistic ventures that will be rocked by whatever punishment is handed down. The entire athletic department may get shut down, being as Frank Haith and Jim Morris have also been named in some exchanges.
I support the death penalty in all shapes and forms, but it just sucks seeing some good people get the short end of the stick.
UM won't get shut down.
What may have happened (if mostly true) isn't even CLOSE to what SMU did to lose football for a year.
I'd expect UM to get USC type penalties, but their program won't get shut down.
Still, it's unfortunate for all of those kids and coaches that had nothing to do with it