I would like an 8 team playoff
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:00 am
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Los Soles wrote::pray:
bwgood77 wrote:We discussed this a couple of weeks ago
bwgood77 wrote:I want 16, but 8 would be a good start.
bleu wrote:I would like an 8 team as well, poooooosssssibly a 12. Either way, every conference champ should absolutely be in, and there should be a spot reserved for the top G5 team as well.
bleu wrote:So last year, that would have looked like this:
1. Clemsom
2. Alabama
3. Michigan State
4. Oklahoma
5. Stanford
6. Houston
7. Iowa
8. Ohio State
bleu wrote:It's just crazy that we have a four team playoff, that's hardly a playoff at all.
bleu wrote:Los Soles, I noticed your location is Boise. You a Boise St. fan?
Los Soles wrote:But I am all about the mid-majors like Boise State getting a chance in the playoffs. I'm not saying they would've ever won, but they should have had the chance, a la Butler, Wichita State, etc. Boise State had two undefeated seasons in which they won BCS bowls: ridiculous that that's the end of the season, and their final ranking comes from voters.
a little recap:With a 4-team playoff, as before with the BCS, I don't know that any of these teams even get a chance. And yet, some of them PROVED they could beat top-4 teams!!
- 2004 - Utah beat Big East champion (Pittsburgh) -- finished undefeated
- 2006 - BSU beat Big-12 champion (Oklahoma) -- finished undefeated
- 2008 - BSU beat Pac-12 runner-up, #12 (Oregon)
- 2008 - Utah beat one-loss #4 (Alabama) -- finished undefeated
- 2009 - BSU beat Pac-12 champion, eventual #7 (Oregon) and #3 (TCU) -- finished undefeated
- 2010 - BSU beat ACC champion, #6 (Va Tech)
- 2010 - TCU beat Big-10 champion, #4 (Wisconsin) -- finished undefeated
- 2011 - BSU beat SEC East champion (Georgia)
- 2013 - UCF beat Big-12 champion, #6 (Baylor)
- 2014 - BSU beat Pac-12 South champion, #11 (Arizona)
- 2015 - Houston beat ACC Atlantic runner-up, #9 (Florida State)
- 2016 - Houston beat #3 (Oklahoma)
Los Soles wrote:Teams that should -- but decent chance won’t -- be in the playoff:If all these things happen, which is very possible, that’s 4 teams. Plus SEC champ (Bama?), ACC champ (Clemson?), Big-10 champ (Ohio St/Mich?): pretty quickly we’re at 7 teams.
- Oklahoma, if it runs the table the rest of the way (Big-12 champ; toughest schedule in the nation so far — their resume is at least as good as Ohio State’s was at this point in the season two years ago…)
- Winner of Louisville vs Houston, if no other losses
- Pac-12 champion, with 1, or even 2, losses (Sagarin has Pac-12 as #1 or #2 toughest conference)
- Undefeated Boise State
And 8 would be easy enough: take the best remaining one-loss team that didn’t win its conference (e.g., Mich/Ohio St. loser, Texas A&M, Stanford).
Los Soles wrote:But I am all about the mid-majors like Boise State getting a chance in the playoffs. I'm not saying they would've ever won, but they should have had the chance, a la Butler, Wichita State, etc. Boise State had two undefeated seasons in which they won BCS bowls: ridiculous that that's the end of the season, and their final ranking comes from voters.
a little recap:With a 4-team playoff, as before with the BCS, I don't know that any of these teams even get a chance. And yet, some of them PROVED they could beat top-4 teams!!
- 2004 - Utah beat Big East champion (Pittsburgh) -- finished undefeated
- 2006 - BSU beat Big-12 champion (Oklahoma) -- finished undefeated
- 2008 - BSU beat Pac-12 runner-up, #12 (Oregon)
- 2008 - Utah beat one-loss #4 (Alabama) -- finished undefeated
- 2009 - BSU beat Pac-12 champion, eventual #7 (Oregon) and #3 (TCU) -- finished undefeated
- 2010 - BSU beat ACC champion, #6 (Va Tech)
- 2010 - TCU beat Big-10 champion, #4 (Wisconsin) -- finished undefeated
- 2011 - BSU beat SEC East champion (Georgia)
- 2013 - UCF beat Big-12 champion, #6 (Baylor)
- 2014 - BSU beat Pac-12 South champion, #11 (Arizona)
- 2015 - Houston beat ACC Atlantic runner-up, #9 (Florida State)
- 2016 - Houston beat #3 (Oklahoma)
Arda K wrote:oklahoma already lost as many games this season as ohio state lost previous two years, they dont deserve sh*t
Los Soles wrote:Arda K wrote:oklahoma already lost as many games this season as ohio state lost previous two years, they dont deserve sh*t
I absolutely agree that they don't deserve "sh*t" at this point in time, and I agree that they have little to no chance to qualify to a 4-team playoff. The argument was purely hypothetical: IF they run the table from here on out, where do they belong? (Which has absolutely nothing with what Ohio State did in 2015.)
This is the comparison:I think through four games, Oklahoma looks no worse than Ohio State did through four games in 2014. Obviously, Oklahoma hasn't gone on to do what Ohio State did after those first four games. The point is moot if they don't win out...which probably isn't going to happen anyway.
- In 2014 Ohio State was 3-1 after 4 games...with a paper-soft schedule and an ugly loss at home to an unranked Virginia Tech that went on to lose more than they won the rest of the season.
- Oklahoma is 2-2 after playing the toughest schedule in the country through 4 games.
But the crux of the argument is: how do you weigh record vs schedule strength? How do you rank the following:In my opinion, there's no good answer to that question. Which is one very important reason why I think the playoff should be expanded.
- 0 losses with a really soft schedule?
- 1 loss with a mediocre schedule?
- 2 losses with a brutal schedule?
Los Soles wrote:Arda K wrote:oklahoma already lost as many games this season as ohio state lost previous two years, they dont deserve sh*t
I absolutely agree that they don't deserve "sh*t" at this point in time, and I agree that they have little to no chance to qualify to a 4-team playoff. The argument was purely hypothetical: IF they run the table from here on out, where do they belong? (Which has absolutely nothing with what Ohio State did in 2015.)
This is the comparison:I think through four games, Oklahoma looks no worse than Ohio State did through four games in 2014. Obviously, Oklahoma hasn't gone on to do what Ohio State did after those first four games. The point is moot if they don't win out...which probably isn't going to happen anyway.
- In 2014 Ohio State was 3-1 after 4 games...with a paper-soft schedule and an ugly loss at home to an unranked Virginia Tech that went on to lose more than they won the rest of the season.
- Oklahoma is 2-2 after playing the toughest schedule in the country through 4 games.
But the crux of the argument is: how do you weigh record vs schedule strength? How do you rank the following:In my opinion, there's no good answer to that question. Which is one very important reason why I think the playoff should be expanded.
- 0 losses with a really soft schedule?
- 1 loss with a mediocre schedule?
- 2 losses with a brutal schedule?
OsuCavsfan103 wrote:OU didn't just lose twice, they were beaten soundly, especially to OSU where they were for the most part, dominated. Had OSU lost twice in 2014, they wouldnt have even been near the CFB. Hypothetically if OSU lost again in 2014 but still made the B10 title game and won like they did, OSU still would have never been even close to in, they barely made it in with 1 loss.
OU is done, should be and will be nowhere near playoffs unless a major CFB collapse like 2007 happens. No argument could be made, tough schedule or not, if you can't beat either of the two teams who very likely are in the hunt for the playoffs, you do not deserve to be in the playoffs either... especially w/o a conference championship game. OU is done and nothing like OSU of 2014.
As far as your crux, it varies. OU tried to have a good schedule, did, but lost. Why penalize a team that only lost once with a pretty decent schedule when that team tried to have a competitive schedule? Case and point, last year OU was a playoff team, this year OSU plays them, beats them easily, and yet people are saying OSU plays nobody.... How is that OSU's fault that OU isn't as good? Same argument for Vatech the last few years, when scheduled they were ranked every single season, now they've fallen off before OSU played them, do we deserve to be punished? Schedule strength at times picks up and at times dropped off, if a reasonable attempt to schedule competitively is made, then that definitely should and will trump a 2 loss team with a brutal schedule.
As for not trying to schedule anyone tough and going undefeated, no mercy here. You cannot control conference slate, you cannot control if OOC teams remain good, but if you are filling your OOC with St Marys Tech and the like, you are not trying to do what you can. If you are taking on USC or Auburn, once powerhouse teams who are currently down, it's clear and attempt at a competive schedule was made and that should be factored in.
bleu wrote:Los Soles wrote:But I am all about the mid-majors like Boise State getting a chance in the playoffs. I'm not saying they would've ever won, but they should have had the chance, a la Butler, Wichita State, etc. Boise State had two undefeated seasons in which they won BCS bowls: ridiculous that that's the end of the season, and their final ranking comes from voters.
a little recap:With a 4-team playoff, as before with the BCS, I don't know that any of these teams even get a chance. And yet, some of them PROVED they could beat top-4 teams!!
- 2004 - Utah beat Big East champion (Pittsburgh) -- finished undefeated
- 2006 - BSU beat Big-12 champion (Oklahoma) -- finished undefeated
- 2008 - BSU beat Pac-12 runner-up, #12 (Oregon)
- 2008 - Utah beat one-loss #4 (Alabama) -- finished undefeated
- 2009 - BSU beat Pac-12 champion, eventual #7 (Oregon) and #3 (TCU) -- finished undefeated
- 2010 - BSU beat ACC champion, #6 (Va Tech)
- 2010 - TCU beat Big-10 champion, #4 (Wisconsin) -- finished undefeated
- 2011 - BSU beat SEC East champion (Georgia)
- 2013 - UCF beat Big-12 champion, #6 (Baylor)
- 2014 - BSU beat Pac-12 South champion, #11 (Arizona)
- 2015 - Houston beat ACC Atlantic runner-up, #9 (Florida State)
- 2016 - Houston beat #3 (Oklahoma)
This is the most frustrating thing about the BCS/4 team bowl system to me. I absolutely believe that one, or possibly more of those teams you listed could have won national championships if they were given the same opportunity as a P5 team. The ones that come to mind the most are probably 2008 Utah and 2006/2009 Boise State. I mean, who knows. But I really believe that at least one of them could have won a championship in an 8+ team playoff.
Arda K wrote:utah and boise might won title, but there is also very good chance they would have lost multiple times and wouldnt even come close to the national title game had they went through bcs conference schedule.
Arda K wrote:oklahoma already lost as many games this season as ohio state lost previous two years, they dont deserve sh*t