Is this the end for Charlie Weis?

Post #1 » by **timd1218** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:09 pm

The Chicago Sun-Times seems to think so:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges ... 10.article

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I am a Notre Dame fan and I'm not sure about this yet. He is a great recruiter and he can develop quarterbacks. Aside from that, it seems like he can't motivate his team. He hasn't been the play caller this season but he is taking that over for the Navy game. If Weis doesn't finish 2-1 in the next 3 games, then I think he has to go. If the team finishes 2-1, and wins the bowl game, you have to keep him.

Post #2 » by **craig01** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:46 pm

What makes you think he's a great recruiter?

Sure, he's got plenty of **** on his list, but they don't look very good to me.

He won't get canned no matter how ND finishes this year. Next year could be a different story.

I bet ND wishes they were a lot more patient in extending Weis's contract for a bajillion years.

Dumb move.

LAKESHOW · Post #3 » by **LAKESHOW** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:27 pm

he is an excellent pro coach. but he is not an excellent college coach. hes made some mistakes in his early collegiate career and was showing that he was still learning. however, the motivation is another factor. pete carroll for example, is a true motivator with collegiate kids. he gets pumped up and gets in there with the guys. known to practice goaline offense and dive over for the fun of it. but as a pro coach, not so good.

i know for a fact that weis is a good coach. maybe an excellent Ocoordinator. but a head coach, especially at the collegiate level, hes having a hard time.

El Turco · Post #4 » by **El Turco** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:11 am

it is kinda hard not to be a great recruiter in notre dame.

i doubt they would fire him now though after signing that (Please Use More Appropriate Word) contract with him. if they do fire him, farewell. i certainly enjoyed notre dame team under him :lol:

Post #5 » by **KingInExile** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:25 am

Well, UW is looking for a new coach.

J-Mezzy · Post #6 » by **J-Mezzy** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:36 am

KingInExile wrote:Well, UW is looking for a new coach.

I think his recruiting grading is biased. Most of these recruiting grading magazines are in it for profit, ND has a large fan base, hyping them up equals more profit. It certainly shows on the field.

I am loving this since he was so cocky acting like his schemes alone will win a title.

cowboys4life · Post #7 » by **cowboys4life** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:00 am

I think Weis is done at ND possibly Washington sice Willingham is gonna leave but this is all even if Weis is finished in ND

Post #8 » by **craig01** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:35 pm

UW is a crummy job now. Don James had to cheat to get recruits there back in the day, and things have gotten even harder with the rise of numerous programs in the west.

Post #9 » by **GYBE** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:37 pm

After the Syracuse debacle, he's done.

The only slight chance he has of returning is if the boosters and admin can't come up with the buyout money because of the economy, but I really doubt it.

Just as in 2004, the benefactors and fans are going to force ND to fire him. And it will be justified.

Post #10 » by **timd1218** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:47 pm

GYBE wrote:After the Syracuse debacle, he's done.

The only slight chance he has of returning is if the boosters and admin can't come up with the buyout money because of the economy, but I really doubt it.

Just as in 2004, the benefactors and fans are going to force ND to fire him. And it will be justified.

I agree. He took the play calling over for the Navy game and ND barely won. Maintained the play calling against Syracuse and lost.

The only thing that can save his job is an upset at USC, which is highly unlikely.

Post #11 » by **GYBE** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:17 pm

USC needs to win big to improve their chances at the title game. It's going to be a beatdown.

If the firing is going to happen, I'd rather it be sooner than later.

Right now Tennessee is the best opening. They might snatch up Brian Kelly before ND goes on their search. I like him best out of the Tier 2 names that are being thrown around right now on the message boards (guys like Mike Riley, Mark D'Antonio, Jeff Tedford, etc)

I wanted Kelly to be the future ND coach last year, so his performance this season has just given me more of a hard-on for him. If he only liked recruiting more I'd be smitten. But if he could hold onto some of the current assistants (Rob Ianello and Corwin Brown in particular are a couple of the best recruiters in the country), he'd be alright.

This is assuming ND strikes out on all the Tier 1 coaches who have ties to ND or have expressed interest in the past. I'm assuming none of them would leave at this point. These are guys like Nick Saban, Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer, Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, etc. I don't know where Butch Davis fits into any of this, but he'll be looked at too.

Post #12 » by **timd1218** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:15 am

GYBE wrote:USC needs to win big to improve their chances at the title game. It's going to be a beatdown.

If the firing is going to happen, I'd rather it be sooner than later.

Right now Tennessee is the best opening. They might snatch up Brian Kelly before ND goes on their search. I like him best out of the Tier 2 names that are being thrown around right now on the message boards (guys like Mike Riley, Mark D'Antonio, Jeff Tedford, etc)

I wanted Kelly to be the future ND coach last year, so his performance this season has just given me more of a hard-on for him. If he only liked recruiting more I'd be smitten. But if he could hold onto some of the current assistants (Rob Ianello and Corwin Brown in particular are a couple of the best recruiters in the country), he'd be alright.

This is assuming ND strikes out on all the Tier 1 coaches who have ties to ND or have expressed interest in the past. I'm assuming none of them would leave at this point. These are guys like Nick Saban, Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer, Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, etc. I don't know where Butch Davis fits into any of this, but he'll be looked at too.

I think USC will either blow out Notre Dame or CW will pull out some miracle and ND will win. I'm banking on the first happening though.

It's so frustrating being an ND fan. I've been an ND fan since 92, when I first got exposed to College Football and it's becoming difficult for me to become angry when the team loses. I guess it;s because I've gotten use to the losing. They have the talent to win, which stinks.

I guess it is safe to say Weis isn't a college coach.

I'd like to see Kelly as the next coach as well. I don't see any of the big names leaving their respective teams to coach ND. I really wanted Meyer to take the coaching position when it is vacant.

Post #13 » by **GYBE** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:13 am

Meyer's a bit of an enigma at this point. ND has always been and will always be his dream job. He grew up a huge Irish fan and was an assistant under Holtz and Davie. He chose Florida because it was much better for his family (read: his wife wanted to raise kids in Florida instead of South Bend) and because ND had serious recruiting problems in 2004.

Now, his kids are older and are starting to leave the house for school. And ND's recruiting situation is one of the best in the nation. It still makes no sense to leave Florida at this point, but it wouldn't be shocking if he entertained a ND offer. Of course, there's a large faction of ND fans who don't want him because of how he embarrassed the school in 2004.

Post #14 » by **craig01** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:01 pm

And, Meyer has planted himself in a gold mine for recruiting.

He would be nuts to leave for anywhere, as he is in just the early stages of what could be a nice 10 year run of dominance.

Post #15 » by **GYBE** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:04 am

ND has recruited just as well as Florida over the last few years, so that's not going to be a reason why he wouldn't leave. ND has the second largest recruiting budget and better facilities than pretty much any school in the country. Only bumbling idiots like Willingham can struggle recruiting there. They had the #1 class last season during a 3-9 season.

He won't leave because it's an unnecessary career risk on his path to the NFL. That and his wife doesn't want to live in South Bend.

J-Mezzy · Post #16 » by **J-Mezzy** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:09 am

GYBE wrote:ND has recruited just as well as Florida over the last few years, so that's not going to be a reason why he wouldn't leave. They had the #1 class last season. He won't leave because it's an unnecessary career risk and his wife doesn't want to live in South Bend.

Meh, I don't buy it. They've been having great recruiting for the past few years, yet you see no impressive players on their team or great NFL prospects coming from Notre Dame.

I think the people who rate the recruiting are biased. Notre Dame has a ig market, it is more profittable to praise them IMO, I could be wrong, but just my gut feeling

Post #17 » by **GYBE** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:19 am

It's just a fact that every recruiting service said they had the most impressive class. It wasn't one site that could be persuaded or whatever. But you can't expect 18 year olds to dominate on the college level. True freshman rarely make big contributions early, moreso than any sport they need experience and time in the weight room. And these kids were all ranked this high before they picked ND and had every top school chasing them, this isn't some conspiracy.

But Weis can't develop talent. He never had to coming from the pros. He was successful early since Brady Quinn and company were already somewhat advanced. He's never shown he can turn these young guys into superstars. That's why I want a new coach so this talent doesn't go to waste.

I would compare it to Zook at Florida before Urban came. He recruited great classes but couldn't do anything with them. Once a great coach like Meyer came in, they took off.

J-Mezzy · Post #18 » by **J-Mezzy** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:28 am

Yes, they are young. I do remember they've had great recruiting for 3 years now, some of those players oughta be paying off.

Zooks comparisson makes sense, but this guy was on the SEC when the SEC was tougher than it is now. ND has some big games, but their schedule is relatively easy. You should at least see some flashes from some good players even if poorly coached. You could be right.

I do hate the fact that ESPN "expersts" talk out of their asses and say no kids want to go to ND...look ate the recruiting classes idiots

Post #19 » by **GYBE** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:39 am

I think it's a combination of coaching and probably some of the players just not being as good as everyone thought they were. A few have played above expectations. In Michael Floyd and Golden Tate (frosh/soph) they have one of the best wideout combos around. After that, it starts to go downhill. Clausen is okay, but certainly not the #1 prospect he was touted to be. There are a lot of sophs/frosh contributing on defense, but there aren't any real impact players yet. It's definitely frustrating.

Post #20 » by **timd1218** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:05 am

J-Mezzy wrote:
GYBE wrote:ND has recruited just as well as Florida over the last few years, so that's not going to be a reason why he wouldn't leave. They had the #1 class last season. He won't leave because it's an unnecessary career risk and his wife doesn't want to live in South Bend.

Meh, I don't buy it. They've been having great recruiting for the past few years, yet you see no impressive players on their team or great NFL prospects coming from Notre Dame.

I think the people who rate the recruiting are biased. Notre Dame has a ig market, it is more profittable to praise them IMO, I could be wrong, but just my gut feeling

Michael Floyd. He will be the best wide receiver in the nation by his Junior year.

Weis made Brady Quinn. Same goes for the receivers during his first 2 years. Claussen has progressed pretty good, aside from the few mistakes he has been making the past few games.

ND's recruits are pretty good. It's hard to show because Weis isn't as good as a coach as ND fans were hoping.