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In a PPR league, who will be better? Charles, imo, has a chance to finish as the #1 rusher this season. McCoy, on the other hand, is a PPR beast. I can only keep one, and I'm trying to decide between the two.

That's rough. I need to think about this one.

That is a tough one, but with the Eagles getting ronnie Brown you have to assume he is gonna steal some of McCoys stats. Im leaning towards Charles.

I don't think you could go wrong with either one, but McCoy is the pass catcher of the two, even with Ronnie Brown there, I'd still go McCoy

Thomas Jones is likely declining and going to get less involved. (MORE opportunities for Charles)

Ronnie Brown on the other hand... you don't really know how much he could end up doing there. What you know for sure is that he'll take away SOMETHING from McCoy compared to last year (McCoy just about had no backup last year). (LESS opportunities for McCoy)

I don't think there's really a wrong answer to this, though. It could truly go either way and end up being no difference at all but I'd go with Charles for that reason. Seems slightly more of a safe option to keep going into this season.

Charles will count as my 4th round pick, while McCoy will count as my 3rd. At this point I'm 99% sure I'm keeping Charles. He might be getting hyped up a little too much (even though I've been on the hype train), but he's proven he can be a top-10 back even in a platoon. I just won't forgive myself if I let Charles go for that kind of value, and he winds up a top-5 back this year (potentially 1-2).

I am going with mccoy today, he has been consistent when he plays

Ajosu wrote:Charles will count as my 4th round pick, while McCoy will count as my 3rd. At this point I'm 99% sure I'm keeping Charles. He might be getting hyped up a little too much (even though I've been on the hype train), but he's proven he can be a top-10 back even in a platoon. I just won't forgive myself if I let Charles go for that kind of value, and he winds up a top-5 back this year (potentially 1-2).

If you're giving up a 4th for Charles and a 3rd for McCoy then this is Charles no question.

I'd take Charles regardless. He's in line for a bigger role this year, and for all the talk about TJ taking touches, Jones is declining fast (he averaged something like 2ish ypc the last 5 games of the season last year/playoffs). Also, with Ronnie there, and Vick already being a TD vulture, McCoy is going to be hard pressed to rack up TDs. I know some people may disagree with me, but I think defenses are going to figure Vick out this year and that offense will be less explosive. I expect McCoy's numbers to drop a bit (but still be 1st round worthy).

Charles in my .5 PPG last year was the number 3 back last year (a couple points behind Hillis and obviously well behind Foster) so he's more then likely going to end up being a top 5 back. The only issue I have with Charles is that he's got a terrible schedule after week 10.

If anything Charles is probably in line for the same role this year, whatever touches Jones loses McCluster will pick up along with a number of Charles receptions out of the backfield or even lined up wide.

Add McClain to the mix to hawk even more goal line and I don't know.

Charles will still be a top type fantasy option, but IMHO, anyone expecting more then the 275 touches he had last year is going to be sadly mistaken.

The last thing to add is, IMHO, Kansas City is going to be awful this year and fall behind often.

I don't think they can afford to abandon the run even if they're down early, but it certainly isn't a positive.

I'm just talking Charles in general though, cause on the other hand you have McCoy.

Ronnie Brown never lived up to the elite back status mainly because of injuries, a nasty committee and an anemic offense in that order.

But...

Ronnie Brown is still a factor, he's still a big time playmaker and he will get touches and probably hawk some goal line.

Add to that, if the Eagles do live up to the hype, especially in some of their cupcake games that look like fantasy gold matchups, they're going to have big leads early in a lot of games and will run more overall, but use Ronnie a lot to preserve Shady.

In keeper league I would keep McCoy though. He's younger, has the higher upside and barring injuries which are hard to forecast this guy will be the lead back for a nasty offense for years upon years.

His receiving skills are ill matched in the league at his position and he's an all around runner that can do it all even if grinding and power running isn't his thing.

vincecarter4pres wrote:If anything Charles is probably in line for the same role this year, whatever touches Jones loses McCluster will pick up along with a number of Charles receptions out of the backfield or even lined up wide.

Add McClain to the mix to hawk even more goal line and I don't know.

Charles will still be a top type fantasy option, but IMHO, anyone expecting more then the 275 touches he had last year is going to be sadly mistaken.

He had 230 carries last year. I think he gets more carries this year.

The last thing to add is, IMHO, Kansas City is going to be awful this year and fall behind often.

I don't think they can afford to abandon the run even if they're down early, but it certainly isn't a positive.

This part I agree with.

I'm just talking Charles in general though, cause on the other hand you have McCoy.

Ronnie Brown never lived up to the elite back status mainly because of injuries, a nasty committee and an anemic offense in that order.

But...

Ronnie Brown is still a factor, he's still a big time playmaker and he will get touches and probably hawk some goal line.

Add to that, if the Eagles do live up to the hype, especially in some of their cupcake games that look like fantasy gold matchups, they're going to have big leads early in a lot of games and will run more overall, but use Ronnie a lot to preserve Shady.

In keeper league I would keep McCoy though. He's younger, has the higher upside and barring injuries which are hard to forecast this guy will be the lead back for a nasty offense for years upon years.

His receiving skills are ill matched in the league at his position and he's an all around runner that can do it all even if grinding and power running isn't his thing.

Isn't McCoy only one year younger? And as for upside, Charles wins that area by a landslide. If anything, I think McCoy's upside is rather limited, considering the coach he plays for, and the playmakers around him.

I went with Charles. I think he's getting a little overrated this year, but to me he is simply more talented (thats not a knock on McCoy). He's shown he can be productive in a committee, and at worst his touches should stay the same, with a good chance of increasing.

I don't think I would have been wrong to go with either guy, especially because I nabbed MJD, an ideal workhorse complement to go with a talented back who gets limited carries.

MJD is going to lose a ton of touches this year too.

And yes Charles had 230 carries last year but 275 total touches and I don't see either going up, I think you're much more likely to see them go down by a dozen or so.

And I don't see why Charles wins the upside by a landslide, I'd put my money on McCoy outperforming him by a decent clip in any PPR leagues and them to be around dead even at worst in standard formats.

vincecarter4pres wrote:MJD is going to lose a ton of touches this year too.

To who, Karim? Their offense and QB is awful as well, so I can't say losing Gerrard and MSW hurts his touches either. I think he's healthy and will play a full season, so I certainly don't think his carries will be less than that of a year where he missed two games.

And yes Charles had 230 carries last year but 275 total touches and I don't see either going up, I think you're much more likely to see them go down by a dozen or so.

If you are right on this one, you will have been one of the few who predicted it.

And I don't see why Charles wins the upside by a landslide, I'd put my money on McCoy outperforming him by a decent clip in any PPR leagues and them to be around dead even at worst in standard formats.

Charles' upside is higher because he is more talented. His yps is ridiculous, and it's not like the Chief's passing game has been keeping defenses honest, diverting attention away from the most run heavy team in the league. Charles has done more with less than any back in the league.

But the tougher schedule along with TJ/DM stealing touches definitely keeps my expectations down a bit for him. But I still think he basically repeats last years' performance, and if his coach miraculously decides to put the ball in his best player's hands more, then I think he has a better season.

And I understand the love for McCoy. Even though he doesn't get the carries that other elite back do, he was the most targeted RB in the league last year, with 90 targets.

I just don't see where the upside with him is, though. He caught most of those passes last year, and I cannot believe his targets will go up from where they already are. He gets even fewer carries than Charles, and those won't be going up with Brown there.

Since I already picked Charles, I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope you are wrong on this one!

But if this is PPR McCoy outperformed Charles in almost every league last year or was almost exactly even, so if you expect them to remain static it still favors McCoy.

And saying Charles is more talented then McCoy and then basing that off one season of YPC, that is just untrue.

For all the talk of the weapons the Eagles have, McCoy is the 2nd most important and used one, Maclin is a question mark this year, Jackson is the homerun hitter and Celek is very underwhelming.

In real life I expect McCoy as a top 5 back in the league for the nezt 5 to 8 years.

He missed a game last year and a chunk of another one where he went down.

Yes injuries are a part of the game, but my point is, again, even if you expect his touches to remain static, just adding that extra game and a half gets McCoy to about 220 to 230 carries and 84 to 88 receptions.

History has shown us no matter how talented the back and what his longevity, don't expect some ridiculous 6.4ypc rate to uphold and with teams having a chance to truly game plan him now he's going to get shut down a little more.

Charles is a very talented back and a speed demon and big play waiting to happen, but if anything he had his peak season average wise and will come down and level off some.

For all that talk, McCoy had a 5.1ypc with a much worse line and run blocking scheme.

I see Charles as more of a few year wonder and majority touch committee back in the long run while McCoy is a bigger rich man's Westbrook who will have longevity on his side.

For all the talk of Andy Reid not liking to run the ball much, which is true, his backs and especially his feature backs have always have a huge role game in and game out.

Eh, just making a case for my boy lol.

I definitely hear and appreciate your point of view. Trust me, if I could have kept them both, I would have. But for me it came down to Charles taking up a later pick, and almost universally being ranked higher. And being that I picked 6th, I couldn't make a case where I felt McCoy should be taken 12 picks ahead of Charles, which is the difference I was looking at (4th vs 3rd round).

I think there's arguments for McCoy (mostly being in a better offense) but I really see no reason why Charles would be a few year wonder. The guy put up 5.9 ypc the year before last and 5.3 ypc (in limited touches) in his rookie year. The talent is absolutely there. I'm a Titans fan and I pretty much see him and CJ as the same level player. To me, he's that good. If anything McCoy is the less proven back. He's only had one impressive year and it came with the defenses focusing the passing game.

Both guys are great and I expect both to live up to their draft position (hope so at least, Charles is my RB1 in one league and McCoy is my RB1 in the other).