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I'm trying to trade for Megatron because I want to pair him with my Stafford.

The other owner offered me Megatron/R Moss/G Little/Redman for Welker/Harvin/Spiller/FJax and I said, "Heck no!"

I offered him Harvin/Welker for Megatron and he declined because he said he wants a RB involved.

Would Welker/Harvin/Spiller/FJax for Megatron/Ridley/Leshoure be an even trade?

My team: Stafford/lynch, FJax, Kevin Smith, Spiller, Ryan Williams, Ingram, Turbin/Welker, Harvin, T Smith, A Brown, Decker/Fred Davis

His team:M Ryan, Eli/Ridley, TRich, A Morris, Redman, Leshoure/ Megatron, Julio J, R Moss/Lafell, G Little/Hernandez, Witten

Thanks!

I think you're being greedy here. You're going to have to overpay to get Mega, at least and especially this early in the year when you're offering unknowns.

I'm not saying his first offer was great, it was pretty bad, but your counter is meh as hell even if it's on paper sort of fair.

I don't know how you think you're going to suck all that extra value out on your proposed counter either, that is wildly in your favor.

BTW, is this PPR?

And how many starting slots are there and what positions?

I am super high on Spiller if FJax is out for the season though, but personally am very low on Welker and if this isn't PPR don't love Harvin either.

That's the thing to me though, if this was midseason your proposed counter is really close, but right now you're selling uncertain situations and Welker coming off an atrocious game that's going to confirm fears in the minds of knee jerk people or people such as myself that expected a steep fall off this year.

Then look at his team... His RB's are really suspect and his top 2 receivers are nuts, so he's not going to send you a RB like Ridley back in the deal.

You sort of have RB depth to lose one.

I'd propose a counter of Welker/Lynch for starters.
If he doesn't bite on that add Harvin in with you getting LeShoure and Moss back.
Or make it Lynch/Harvin as your counter, or even initial if you're personally high on Welker.

So Lynch/Harvin/Welker for Cal/Moss/LeShoure is pretty fair to me as a follow up if the other didn't work.

If you really are aiming to keep Lynch over Spiller/Fred, or that's really what he wants and you're OK with it, then swap that in instead.

So Spiller/FJax/Harvin or Welker for Megatron as an initial. You know, in these initials I'd say ask for LeShoure back as well just to see if he bites. Worst case he rejects it and counters.

Thanks for letting me see how biased I was. I didn't mean to, but I guess every owner has a bias towards their own players. It's a standard scoring (6 pts all tds, 1 pt per 15 rec yards and 1 pt per 10 rush yards). We start 1 qb, 3 wrs, 2 rbs, 1 te, 1 k, 1dst and no flex spots.

To add to the discussion, do I even need to trade for Megatron, or is my team ok if I stay put? I just thought it would be awesome to get double the tds with Megatron and Stafford. Thanks again for the input!

For week 2 my starters are:
Stafford
lynch,spiller
welker,harvin,decker
fred davis
hartley
nyj

No problem haha.

Remember mine is just one perspective as well, I'm not necessarily 100% right either.

Honestly, I think you're almost pretty good as is. But I don't think it's a bad idea to try and snag Johnson either. I think both are solid options.

I do think you need to upgrade one of your receivers though. It doesn't necessarily have to be Johnson, but you should find a way to get off a 2 for 1 for an upgrade. Try buying low on AJ Green, Hakeem Nicks or Victor Cruz for example.

I like Antonio Brown a lot. Harvin is going to be high usage to, so that's a plus.

If you can find a team to give you a guy like the above for say Welker and Decker, or Welker and Torrey Smith that's a great move, even if you get Johnson.

The thing to remember is, it's basically a guarantee a solid RB2 is going to come out of nowhere on the waiver wire due to injury to someone. Matter of fact, probably 3 or 4 of them by midseason.

So if you keep one of your top RB's(Lynch or the Spiller/Jackson combo) while making your top 3 WR's super strong, you're going to be tough to beat as long as you strike gold on the wire at some point after the trade.

LeShoure is actually a guy who has a great chance to be just that as well.

See if you can upgrade your TE as well, but specifically one of the top guys like Graham, Gronk, Gates or Hernandez, or else you're probably good sticking with Davis, he's got a lot of upside.

But if you want Cal and the owner seems willing to deal, go for it. That's half the fun of fantasy football, working out trades and rooting for guys you like to root for. I'll say it like this, as long as you don't pay through the nose, it won't be a bad move. At worst it will be lateral.

Right now we're talking about a Megatron/R Moss for Welker/Harvin/Decker/K Smith.
Is that giving up too much?

I'll have Stafford/lynch, spiller/megatron, a brown, t smith/f davis as my starters
I can pickup olgeltree off waivers too, or cobb.

bench would be r moss and olgeltree/cobb plus ingram/r williams/turbin

That might be making me too weak on the bench though.

Got it down to megatron, r moss, g little for welker harvin and antonio brown. Pull the trigger?

Hmm... I'll be honest with you, I like it better with Kevin Smith in there, I'm just not seeing him as the starter long term.

Detroit seems to want LeShoure to be the starter and Smith is made of glass. Add to that there's the outside shot Best is eventually cleared to play and even if Smith remains healthy, I think you're looking at somewhat of an ugly committee on a team that doesn't run much.

Brown to me is going to have a really big season. I think his floor is 1100 and 6 and there's Victor Cruz like upside there to put up ridiculous yardage and approach double digit TD's.

If he would do just Cal/Moss for Welker/Harvin/Smith, that's a deal I really like a lot.

You can use Cal and Brown as every week starters and play your 3rd receiver off match ups.

And then you can even try to package a 2 for 1 of maybe Decker and Moss for someone who's buy low and wind up with a great WR3. Maybe something along the lines of Bowe.

Or try doing something like Lynch/Decker/Moss for Stevan Ridley and one of that guy's really good receivers.

Yeah he won't budge because he says he needs WR depth more. So is Antonio Brown a deal breaker? I'll have Megatron/Decker/T Smith/R Moss as opposed to Welker/Harvin/A Brown/Decker/T Smith

Damn I'm sorry dude, forgot about this thread.

IDK man, that really is a lot to give up.

I'm not high on Torrey Smith like others are and Moss is OK with Decker while playing matchups, but man... Greg Little is basically useless, that Cleveland offense is horrendous.

I mean I know it's only one last player, but that might be the tipping point for me.

I find it funny how he was telling you he needed a RB and seemed set on getting Welker and Harvin from you and now all of a sudden he wants a 3rd receiver. To me he's probably already lining up a follow up move with one or 2 of these guys in a deal for a good RB.

Man... I mean Cal is so good, but then you're actually relying on the worst of your receivers to be really good just to basically make the move work or be about lateral.

With Cal and Brown as your 1/2 punch I loved it for you, cause then your WR3 was just match up gravy every week.

But now you'd be relying on guys who are more WR3's as WR2's that you hope are tops.

I will say I'm relatively high on Decker though.

That's really close, but I will say, he's definitely playing some sort of shenanigans with you. Obviously Kevin Smith isn't Spiller like he was originally asking for, but just looking at his lineup you know he needs a RB and he has LeShoure as the handcuff even if Smith gets hurt or loses the job.

Then again he has Morris and T Rich, but both are such crap shoots.


Let me ask you something... Do you think he would expand it a little and do:

Cal/Ridley/Moss/Little for Lynch/Welker/Harvin/Decker?

I really like that for you.



If not, I think I'd counter with the deal you just laid out but with Decker in place of Brown.

If that doesn't work I'd make once last stab at it with:

Cal/Moss/LeFell for Welker/Brown/Harvin.



I mean what kind of vibe are you getting from him with all these deals and talks?

Is this through email or the comments on the trade offers?

Do you think he's on the brink of telling you to go screw, or maybe he's pretending that even if it seems like it?


I'd try to get those counters in before accepting that. I know it's not PPR, but that's really a lot to give, especially with old ass Moss who will be relatively inconsistent and not a very good play the many weeks he doesn't catch a TD and again, Little is just a bag of crap.


I also try to force myself to remember it's week one and good waiver adds will come. IDK, I'm rambling now haha.

It's always good to consolidate early when you're in a league without many starting slots, especially on top of that in non-PPR, but you don't want to trade away so many good players that you're left with crap in some of your starting slots or you have little to no value left to make more trades.

No problem man haha. The trade is at a standstill right now at:

Welk/A Brown/T Smith for Megatron/Moss/Little (He basically swapped out harvin for T Smith). Is that good?

It is quite funny how he changes his mind lol. He did say he needed a rb, but now wants the wr depth, so at the same time it's quite irritating too lol. The guy is a good friend of mine and we're texting each other all this stuff haha, so neither of us will tell the other one to F Off. That's the good and bad part though because we're friends, but we're in the same division in our FF league, so we're both trying to not give the other one an edge.

Of the 2 trades you propsed, I like Mega/Moss/Lefell for Welker/Harvin and instead of Brown, I'd offer T Smith. That would leave me with Mega/A Brown/Decker with Lafell and Moss on the bench. I can shoot him that one...

Thanks for all your help! You've invested some time into this one!

LOL, all good man. I get a touch obsessed with fantasy football I guess you can say. Was thinking about starting a site for it, but the web is saturated with them.

Yeah that end one is gravy if you can get him to take it.

My laptop is about to die though and I have to run, but I have a few more thoughts on it, I'll drop back in, in a couple hours.

vincecarter4pres wrote:LOL, all good man. I get a touch obsessed with fantasy football I guess you can say. Was thinking about starting a site for it, but the web is saturated with them.

Yeah that end one is gravy if you can get him to take it.

My laptop is about to die though and I have to run, but I have a few more thoughts on it, I'll drop back in, in a couple hours.

Thanks dude. Still give me your thoughts as I'm always interested in FF stuff, but we agreed on a trade:

Welker/Torrey Smith/Kevin Smith for MEGATRON/G Little/Lafell

Dunno how I talked him out of Antonio Brown and talked Smith into the trade, but it worked. I told him I didn't need Moss and now I have Megatron/harvin/A Brown with Decker and lafell on the bench. I think it's the best move yet for me. Please chime in when you get the time!

Just got home and plugged the comp back in.

Wow!

You took him to the cleaners!

That trade is absolutely fantastic for you.

BTW, is this a money league?

Stafford
Cal
Brown or Harvin
Decker
Spiller
Lynch
Davis

As your starting lineup this week?

Whoa.

That's a phenomenal trade for you. Amazing work. I think there is a legitimate chance Harvin and Brown finish ahead of Welker in fantasy production this year, kudos to you for somehow keeping both out of the trade.

Yeah I'm wondering if his league mates are going to try and veto it haha?

vincecarter4pres wrote:Yeah I'm wondering if his league mates are going to try and veto it haha?

I wouldn't be surprised if they did, would be a dick move though.

I just wonder what the other owner was thinking here. I mean I guess you would have to assume something like this: if Kevin Smith plays a full season (highly unlikely), Torrey Smith blows up as some people think (decent chance) and Wes Welker somehow comes close to what he did last year (pretty hard to see with the emergence of Ridley & Lloyd addition). Then he probably gets equal value for Megatron or close. All three of those things aren't happening though. And even if they did, trading an elite stud like Megatron for 2 out of 3 potential players is silly.

He just said it won't work with his bye weeks, so he wants harvin instead of welker.

now its harvin/t smith/k smith for mega/little/lafell. Works for me! now I have mega/welk/a brown/ decker/ lafell/ little as my wrs.

oh yea, and yes it's a money league