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Can the Warriors break the NBA one last time?

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Re: Can the Warriors break the NBA one last time? 

Post#21 » by Warriorfan » Tue May 7, 2024 6:30 am

Warriors 33-22 when Green played.
6pt improvement in Drtg. Would be top 7

If Wiggins and Klay hit previous 3pt pct warriors
Ortg top 5.

Warriors led NBA in losses after 15pt lead.

Young players get better
Possible internal improvement to get out of play in and build on plus 90 % win pct when Green, Curry and Klay play all games of a series.
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Post#22 » by ILOVEIT » Wed May 8, 2024 4:37 am

Let's put it this way.

UNLESS the Warriors sign Durant or Giannis, they're done. Signing LeBron alone doesn't do it.
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Post#23 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Fri May 10, 2024 6:14 pm

cdubbz wrote:Can Lebron even sign for the minimum?

If Steph/Lebron realize they don’t have a shot at another title unless they play together on the Warriors I wonder what they would think.

LBJ could resign and stay with the Lakers but no fun in losing.


LeBron has already pissed off the anti-superteam fans and has nothing to lose from them.
The qusetion is paycut vs the endorsements and advertising benefits of one more championship.

Old LeBron is not enough to get old Steph, Klay and Dray a championship so KD must also come. KD must also choose endorsements money from one more championship salary over a pay cut.

No playing time for Kuminga with LeBron and KD on the team so start the rebuild buy trading Kuminga for a big 3rd string center and draft picks. I am figuring Kuminga will be old before the post Curry Warriors are ready to win a champioship so trading Kuminga for draft picks starts the timeline for the next chamionship 9 years from now.
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Post#24 » by Jax_23 » Sun Jun 9, 2024 2:17 pm

Impuniti wrote:
Jax_23 wrote:We ain't cooked! We have a super competitive owner who took a perennially sht team to the promised land 4-times! I trust Lacob's direction in getting the team to make the right moves. Booker is an intriguing target to go after. There are some options and the Warriors have pieces they can move. They're going to have to get pretty creative to get back to the Finals. They definitely need another game changing piece, a big would be nice. Klay (if resigned) has always played better when they've got a low post presence. It balances the floor better so that he's not trying too hard to create his shot.

If this another one of Lacob's sons? :lol:

The Warriors finished 10th to a mediocre NBA team. What made it worse was that the Kings were missing 2 key players. They then easily lost to a Pels team missing its best player. The Pels team then easily lost and got swept by OKC. If you think a few tweaks are what's needed, I'm not sure what planet we're living in.


Pessimistic and doomy. 5 people on the court at one time, making a couple trades can easily revitalize this team for a couple more years, and they have pieces to trade if needed.
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Post#25 » by Impuniti » Sun Jun 9, 2024 2:56 pm

Jax_23 wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
Jax_23 wrote:We ain't cooked! We have a super competitive owner who took a perennially sht team to the promised land 4-times! I trust Lacob's direction in getting the team to make the right moves. Booker is an intriguing target to go after. There are some options and the Warriors have pieces they can move. They're going to have to get pretty creative to get back to the Finals. They definitely need another game changing piece, a big would be nice. Klay (if resigned) has always played better when they've got a low post presence. It balances the floor better so that he's not trying too hard to create his shot.

If this another one of Lacob's sons? :lol:

The Warriors finished 10th to a mediocre NBA team. What made it worse was that the Kings were missing 2 key players. They then easily lost to a Pels team missing its best player. The Pels team then easily lost and got swept by OKC. If you think a few tweaks are what's needed, I'm not sure what planet we're living in.


Pessimistic and doomy. 5 people on the court at one time, making a couple trades can easily revitalize this team for a couple more years, and they have pieces to trade if needed.

Klay is a bad player that has had 2 major injuries and will be 35 next season, in a team who one of its main issues was overplaying old guys who were regularly getting their asses kicked in the 4th quarter. Not because it's pessimistic, but through the power of data (some of the worst stats in the 4th Q last season, 2nd most losses in the 4th after the Spurs leading by double digits and basic biology).

You keep mentioning that 4 rings but that doesn't mean anything. In the last 5 years, the Warriors have been contenders for 1 season, in which they won. They failed the make the playoffs 3 times, and once they were quite literally the worst team in the league. This is the same energy as Klay yelling "we've been doing this for 10 years". Actual reality is that this Warriors team after 2019 is just a team that lined up for 1 season and otherwise was completely irrelevant in the NBA scene in every aspect outside of Steph bringing in interest because of who he is.
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Re: Can the Warriors break the NBA one last time? 

Post#26 » by Jax_23 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:18 pm

Impuniti wrote:
Jax_23 wrote:
Impuniti wrote:If this another one of Lacob's sons? :lol:

The Warriors finished 10th to a mediocre NBA team. What made it worse was that the Kings were missing 2 key players. They then easily lost to a Pels team missing its best player. The Pels team then easily lost and got swept by OKC. If you think a few tweaks are what's needed, I'm not sure what planet we're living in.


Pessimistic and doomy. 5 people on the court at one time, making a couple trades can easily revitalize this team for a couple more years, and they have pieces to trade if needed.

Klay is a bad player that has had 2 major injuries and will be 35 next season, in a team who one of its main issues was overplaying old guys who were regularly getting their asses kicked in the 4th quarter. Not because it's pessimistic, but through the power of data (some of the worst stats in the 4th Q last season, 2nd most losses in the 4th after the Spurs leading by double digits and basic biology).

You keep mentioning that 4 rings but that doesn't mean anything. In the last 5 years, the Warriors have been contenders for 1 season, in which they won. They failed the make the playoffs 3 times, and once they were quite literally the worst team in the league. This is the same energy as Klay yelling "we've been doing this for 10 years". Actual reality is that this Warriors team after 2019 is just a team that lined up for 1 season and otherwise was completely irrelevant in the NBA scene in every aspect outside of Steph bringing in interest because of who he is.


1) Context matters-- Klay was injured for 2 of those, Steph for one of those, and when they all got healthy they came back and won a ring.

2) Klay is a "bad player" - LOL. 100 or 0 with ya'll. THAT is doomy.

3) Again, context matters. High skilled and non-athletic dependent players can stick around longer. Klay's game was never predicated on athleticism and he's still an elite shooter. Check and check. Ray Allen played from age 35 - 38 with Boston and Miami. Do you think he helped those squads? Of course. "But but but he wasn't prime Ray Allen!!" Klay can have a similar ending to his career as a spot up shooter.

4) The Warriors are like Duncan Parker Ginoboli their last few years in the league. They NEEDED Kawhi / that 4th player to get them over the hump. Big 3 ain't enough anymore. So until they find that, yeah they're not good enough.

Am I saying he's a superstar and pay him the max contract? No, but I'm also not saying "he's washed and worthless!" You could do both...
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Re: Can the Warriors break the NBA one last time? 

Post#27 » by Impuniti » Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:39 pm

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Impuniti wrote:
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Pessimistic and doomy. 5 people on the court at one time, making a couple trades can easily revitalize this team for a couple more years, and they have pieces to trade if needed.

Klay is a bad player that has had 2 major injuries and will be 35 next season, in a team who one of its main issues was overplaying old guys who were regularly getting their asses kicked in the 4th quarter. Not because it's pessimistic, but through the power of data (some of the worst stats in the 4th Q last season, 2nd most losses in the 4th after the Spurs leading by double digits and basic biology).

You keep mentioning that 4 rings but that doesn't mean anything. In the last 5 years, the Warriors have been contenders for 1 season, in which they won. They failed the make the playoffs 3 times, and once they were quite literally the worst team in the league. This is the same energy as Klay yelling "we've been doing this for 10 years". Actual reality is that this Warriors team after 2019 is just a team that lined up for 1 season and otherwise was completely irrelevant in the NBA scene in every aspect outside of Steph bringing in interest because of who he is.


1) Context matters-- Klay was injured for 2 of those, Steph for one of those, and when they all got healthy they came back and won a ring.

2) Klay is a "bad player" - LOL. 100 or 0 with ya'll. THAT is doomy.

3) Again, context matters. High skilled and non-athletic dependent players can stick around longer. Klay's game was never predicated on athleticism and he's still an elite shooter. Check and check. Ray Allen played from age 35 - 38 with Boston and Miami. Do you think he helped those squads? Of course. "But but but he wasn't prime Ray Allen!!" Klay can have a similar ending to his career as a spot up shooter.

4) The Warriors are like Duncan Parker Ginoboli their last few years in the league. They NEEDED Kawhi / that 4th player to get them over the hump. Big 3 ain't enough anymore. So until they find that, yeah they're not good enough.

Am I saying he's a superstar and pay him the max contract? No, but I'm also not saying "he's washed and worthless!" You could do both...

Klay IS a bad player for the Warriors. Most players when paired with him are awful. He's got something pathetic like a 22% FG on his last 3 elimination games.

When they got healthy, they were challengers for one year and then immediately were no longer title contenders, that's the previous two seasons and the guys who have the highest contracts are old and nowhere near as good.

Also the Spurs comparison is not in the same. The cap in 2014 was around 30 million. The player with the highest wage at the time was Parker at 12.5m, Timmy took a discount for 10.3m, Splitter and Ginobili on 10m and 7.5m for the next highest. The Spurs wages right on the cap that season. With Steph's supermax on top of Dray's and Klay who has one of the worst contracts in the league for 3 straight seasons, these do not compare. They accounted for around 47% of the team cap. The OG Warriors account for 57% last season in a situation where they have to pay less. If you add CP3's contract on top of that, you're looking close to 72%. The difference is Klay in particular is worse than all those guys, he's a massive net negative on the court.

He's washed and worthless essentially his play when needed and regularly when played over 15 MPG, which his Mount Olympus sized ego can't handle. You along with many other fans, are delusional where emotional attachment is more important than logic and common sense. That's infected the FO and especially the coach, which is why this team is constantly the #1 paying team in the league and has **** all to show for it.


In a hypothetical to keep Klay, I would do it under a different coach who isn't afraid of setting the standard and he accepts a low wage. If Ime Udoka sleeps with another owners' wife this summer and is a FA, Kerr gets replaced, and Klay accepts being the 7-8th best player on a team under 10m/year, I would love to have him with the team. But this team has too many issues where the key components that set this foundation (CEO, FO, coach, main trio) are not objective in doing their job or how they speak about each other. And regardless if the team wants to remain below average, try to compete or tank, you have to remove some of these factors moving forward.
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Post#28 » by Jax_23 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:01 am

Impuniti wrote:
Jax_23 wrote:
Impuniti wrote:Klay is a bad player that has had 2 major injuries and will be 35 next season, in a team who one of its main issues was overplaying old guys who were regularly getting their asses kicked in the 4th quarter. Not because it's pessimistic, but through the power of data (some of the worst stats in the 4th Q last season, 2nd most losses in the 4th after the Spurs leading by double digits and basic biology).

You keep mentioning that 4 rings but that doesn't mean anything. In the last 5 years, the Warriors have been contenders for 1 season, in which they won. They failed the make the playoffs 3 times, and once they were quite literally the worst team in the league. This is the same energy as Klay yelling "we've been doing this for 10 years". Actual reality is that this Warriors team after 2019 is just a team that lined up for 1 season and otherwise was completely irrelevant in the NBA scene in every aspect outside of Steph bringing in interest because of who he is.


1) Context matters-- Klay was injured for 2 of those, Steph for one of those, and when they all got healthy they came back and won a ring.

2) Klay is a "bad player" - LOL. 100 or 0 with ya'll. THAT is doomy.

3) Again, context matters. High skilled and non-athletic dependent players can stick around longer. Klay's game was never predicated on athleticism and he's still an elite shooter. Check and check. Ray Allen played from age 35 - 38 with Boston and Miami. Do you think he helped those squads? Of course. "But but but he wasn't prime Ray Allen!!" Klay can have a similar ending to his career as a spot up shooter.

4) The Warriors are like Duncan Parker Ginoboli their last few years in the league. They NEEDED Kawhi / that 4th player to get them over the hump. Big 3 ain't enough anymore. So until they find that, yeah they're not good enough.

Am I saying he's a superstar and pay him the max contract? No, but I'm also not saying "he's washed and worthless!" You could do both...

Klay IS a bad player for the Warriors. Most players when paired with him are awful. He's got something pathetic like a 22% FG on his last 3 elimination games.

When they got healthy, they were challengers for one year and then immediately were no longer title contenders, that's the previous two seasons and the guys who have the highest contracts are old and nowhere near as good.

Also the Spurs comparison is not in the same. The cap in 2014 was around 30 million. The player with the highest wage at the time was Parker at 12.5m, Timmy took a discount for 10.3m, Splitter and Ginobili on 10m and 7.5m for the next highest. The Spurs wages right on the cap that season. With Steph's supermax on top of Dray's and Klay who has one of the worst contracts in the league for 3 straight seasons, these do not compare. They accounted for around 47% of the team cap. The OG Warriors account for 57% last season in a situation where they have to pay less. If you add CP3's contract on top of that, you're looking close to 72%. The difference is Klay in particular is worse than all those guys, he's a massive net negative on the court.

He's washed and worthless essentially his play when needed and regularly when played over 15 MPG, which his Mount Olympus sized ego can't handle. You along with many other fans, are delusional where emotional attachment is more important than logic and common sense. That's infected the FO and especially the coach, which is why this team is constantly the #1 paying team in the league and has **** all to show for it.


In a hypothetical to keep Klay, I would do it under a different coach who isn't afraid of setting the standard and he accepts a low wage. If Ime Udoka sleeps with another owners' wife this summer and is a FA, Kerr gets replaced, and Klay accepts being the 7-8th best player on a team under 10m/year, I would love to have him with the team. But this team has too many issues where the key components that set this foundation (CEO, FO, coach, main trio) are not objective in doing their job or how they speak about each other. And regardless if the team wants to remain below average, try to compete or tank, you have to remove some of these factors moving forward.


Can't even take this post seriously. 47% vs 57%, oh the horror! Yeah cherry pick a few elimination games to say he's trash. The Kings actually went on their big run when he was on the bench. And no one cares about CP3 contract since it's an asset as an expiring contract. You're just a Klay hater. Maybe you just started watching GSW this year. To call him a "BAD" player is absolutely hatorade and nothing more. Many contenders would love to have him on their team at minimum as a sharpshooter who can stretch the floor. Foh. There's fair criticism, and then there's being completely delusional..

Sometimes I think some GSW fans don't deserve this dynasty. If you can't appreciate what he's done for this franchise, that's on you. Tim Duncan retired a Spur, Ginobili retired a Spur. They were old too. Give Klay his respect, he's earned it. Am I saying he's a superstar and give him a 5 year max contract? Course not. But he still has plenty of value as someone who has Championship DNA + 3pt sharpshooter spot up. Spoiled fans think everything has to be championship level and just think grass is always greener with breaking it apart etc. They did the same thing to Jim Barnett smh. F loyalty right? Warriors still have 1-2 years if they bring in a 4th player. And LeBron James is gonna be 40 years old. Jason Kidd retired at 42. Ray Allen 38. Players are playing longer and high skilled players play longer. Klay still has a 3pt shot. Calling Klay a "bad player" is hyperbolic baloney.
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Re: Can the Warriors break the NBA one last time? 

Post#29 » by BayAreaDub » Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:11 am

Jax_23 wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
Jax_23 wrote:
1) Context matters-- Klay was injured for 2 of those, Steph for one of those, and when they all got healthy they came back and won a ring.

2) Klay is a "bad player" - LOL. 100 or 0 with ya'll. THAT is doomy.

3) Again, context matters. High skilled and non-athletic dependent players can stick around longer. Klay's game was never predicated on athleticism and he's still an elite shooter. Check and check. Ray Allen played from age 35 - 38 with Boston and Miami. Do you think he helped those squads? Of course. "But but but he wasn't prime Ray Allen!!" Klay can have a similar ending to his career as a spot up shooter.

4) The Warriors are like Duncan Parker Ginoboli their last few years in the league. They NEEDED Kawhi / that 4th player to get them over the hump. Big 3 ain't enough anymore. So until they find that, yeah they're not good enough.

Am I saying he's a superstar and pay him the max contract? No, but I'm also not saying "he's washed and worthless!" You could do both...

Klay IS a bad player for the Warriors. Most players when paired with him are awful. He's got something pathetic like a 22% FG on his last 3 elimination games.

When they got healthy, they were challengers for one year and then immediately were no longer title contenders, that's the previous two seasons and the guys who have the highest contracts are old and nowhere near as good.

Also the Spurs comparison is not in the same. The cap in 2014 was around 30 million. The player with the highest wage at the time was Parker at 12.5m, Timmy took a discount for 10.3m, Splitter and Ginobili on 10m and 7.5m for the next highest. The Spurs wages right on the cap that season. With Steph's supermax on top of Dray's and Klay who has one of the worst contracts in the league for 3 straight seasons, these do not compare. They accounted for around 47% of the team cap. The OG Warriors account for 57% last season in a situation where they have to pay less. If you add CP3's contract on top of that, you're looking close to 72%. The difference is Klay in particular is worse than all those guys, he's a massive net negative on the court.

He's washed and worthless essentially his play when needed and regularly when played over 15 MPG, which his Mount Olympus sized ego can't handle. You along with many other fans, are delusional where emotional attachment is more important than logic and common sense. That's infected the FO and especially the coach, which is why this team is constantly the #1 paying team in the league and has **** all to show for it.


In a hypothetical to keep Klay, I would do it under a different coach who isn't afraid of setting the standard and he accepts a low wage. If Ime Udoka sleeps with another owners' wife this summer and is a FA, Kerr gets replaced, and Klay accepts being the 7-8th best player on a team under 10m/year, I would love to have him with the team. But this team has too many issues where the key components that set this foundation (CEO, FO, coach, main trio) are not objective in doing their job or how they speak about each other. And regardless if the team wants to remain below average, try to compete or tank, you have to remove some of these factors moving forward.


Can't even take this post seriously. 47% vs 57%, oh the horror! Yeah cherry pick a few elimination games to say he's trash. The Kings actually went on their big run when he was on the bench. And no one cares about CP3 contract since it's an asset as an expiring contract. You're just a Klay hater. Maybe you just started watching GSW this year. To call him a "BAD" player is absolutely hatorade and nothing more. Many contenders would love to have him on their team at minimum as a sharpshooter who can stretch the floor. Foh. There's fair criticism, and then there's being completely delusional..

Sometimes I think some GSW fans don't deserve this dynasty. If you can't appreciate what he's done for this franchise, that's on you. Tim Duncan retired a Spur, Ginobili retired a Spur. They were old too. Give Klay his respect, he's earned it. Am I saying he's a superstar and give him a 5 year max contract? Course not. But he still has plenty of value as someone who has Championship DNA + 3pt sharpshooter spot up. Spoiled fans think everything has to be championship level and just think grass is always greener with breaking it apart etc. They did the same thing to Jim Barnett smh. F loyalty right? Warriors still have 1-2 years if they bring in a 4th player. And LeBron James is gonna be 40 years old. Jason Kidd retired at 42. Ray Allen 38. Players are playing longer and high skilled players play longer. Klay still has a 3pt shot. Calling Klay a "bad player" is hyperbolic baloney.


All this crap you're saying means nothing. How much are you willing to pay Klay?
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Post#30 » by Mac1958 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:01 am

I think it's obvious that we can't keep one foot in each lane -- preserving the aura and raising the kids. The league is just too good.

So pick a lane and run with it. Personally, I think it's time to let go. It's been great, thanks for everything, but it's time.
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Mac1958 wrote:I think it's obvious that we can't keep one foot in each lane -- preserving the aura and raising the kids. The league is just too good.

So pick a lane and run with it. Personally, I think it's time to let go. It's been great, thanks for everything, but it's time.


Feels like the Warriors will just ride it out naturally. Let the trio retire together and then go full rebuild mode.

Unless Lebron decides to take the minimum and team up with the Warriors - I don't see them making enough moves to compete. hope i am wrong
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Post#32 » by whatisacenter » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:11 pm

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Mac1958 wrote:I think it's obvious that we can't keep one foot in each lane -- preserving the aura and raising the kids. The league is just too good.

So pick a lane and run with it. Personally, I think it's time to let go. It's been great, thanks for everything, but it's time.


Feels like the Warriors will just ride it out naturally. Let the trio retire together and then go full rebuild mode.

Unless Lebron decides to take the minimum and team up with the Warriors - I don't see them making enough moves to compete. hope i am wrong


I’m curious, do warriors fans really want a 40yo Lebron James and all that comes with him(Klutch/ego) joining Steph as he rides into the sunset?

I don’t.
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Post#33 » by cdubbz » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:42 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
cdubbz wrote:
Mac1958 wrote:I think it's obvious that we can't keep one foot in each lane -- preserving the aura and raising the kids. The league is just too good.

So pick a lane and run with it. Personally, I think it's time to let go. It's been great, thanks for everything, but it's time.


Feels like the Warriors will just ride it out naturally. Let the trio retire together and then go full rebuild mode.

Unless Lebron decides to take the minimum and team up with the Warriors - I don't see them making enough moves to compete. hope i am wrong


I’m curious, do warriors fans really want a 40yo Lebron James and all that comes with him(Klutch/ego) joining Steph as he rides into the sunset?

I don’t.


I'm fine watching Curry play until he retires without winning another ring or even making the playoffs, but not so confident MDJ can pull it off. I'm fine if Klay and Green are not on the roster anymore.

But the other part of me wants to see the Warriors go for it 1 last time. The LBJ stuff would be a headache to hear about on ESPN or twitter or any podcast. But it would bring excitement not gonna lie.

I truly wonder if Steph & Lebron are coming to the realization that they most likely won't be competing for championships anymore unless major things happen.
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Post#34 » by whatisacenter » Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:14 pm

cdubbz wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
cdubbz wrote:
Feels like the Warriors will just ride it out naturally. Let the trio retire together and then go full rebuild mode.

Unless Lebron decides to take the minimum and team up with the Warriors - I don't see them making enough moves to compete. hope i am wrong


I’m curious, do warriors fans really want a 40yo Lebron James and all that comes with him(Klutch/ego) joining Steph as he rides into the sunset?

I don’t.


I'm fine watching Curry play until he retires without winning another ring or even making the playoffs, but not so confident MDJ can pull it off. I'm fine if Klay and Green are not on the roster anymore.

But the other part of me wants to see the Warriors go for it 1 last time. The LBJ stuff would be a headache to hear about on ESPN or twitter or any podcast. But it would bring excitement not gonna lie.

I truly wonder if Steph & Lebron are coming to the realization that they most likely won't be competing for championships anymore unless major things happen.


I don’t think Steph And LeBron together are good enough to win a title.
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Post#35 » by killmongrel » Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:42 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
cdubbz wrote:
Mac1958 wrote:I think it's obvious that we can't keep one foot in each lane -- preserving the aura and raising the kids. The league is just too good.

So pick a lane and run with it. Personally, I think it's time to let go. It's been great, thanks for everything, but it's time.


Feels like the Warriors will just ride it out naturally. Let the trio retire together and then go full rebuild mode.

Unless Lebron decides to take the minimum and team up with the Warriors - I don't see them making enough moves to compete. hope i am wrong


I’m curious, do warriors fans really want a 40yo Lebron James and all that comes with him(Klutch/ego) joining Steph as he rides into the sunset?

I don’t.


I don't. But if it's between the Warriors running it back with Klay re-signing at 3/75+ and Goga Bitadze being their free agent acquisition or bringing on the LBJ circus, give me the LBJ circus. At least the latter will give me some level of amusement.
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Post#36 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:17 am

Warriors would need to find a great player on the NBA scrap heap of unwanted players.

That rarely happens.
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Post#37 » by Jax_23 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:28 pm

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Impuniti wrote:Klay IS a bad player for the Warriors. Most players when paired with him are awful. He's got something pathetic like a 22% FG on his last 3 elimination games.

When they got healthy, they were challengers for one year and then immediately were no longer title contenders, that's the previous two seasons and the guys who have the highest contracts are old and nowhere near as good.

Also the Spurs comparison is not in the same. The cap in 2014 was around 30 million. The player with the highest wage at the time was Parker at 12.5m, Timmy took a discount for 10.3m, Splitter and Ginobili on 10m and 7.5m for the next highest. The Spurs wages right on the cap that season. With Steph's supermax on top of Dray's and Klay who has one of the worst contracts in the league for 3 straight seasons, these do not compare. They accounted for around 47% of the team cap. The OG Warriors account for 57% last season in a situation where they have to pay less. If you add CP3's contract on top of that, you're looking close to 72%. The difference is Klay in particular is worse than all those guys, he's a massive net negative on the court.

He's washed and worthless essentially his play when needed and regularly when played over 15 MPG, which his Mount Olympus sized ego can't handle. You along with many other fans, are delusional where emotional attachment is more important than logic and common sense. That's infected the FO and especially the coach, which is why this team is constantly the #1 paying team in the league and has **** all to show for it.


In a hypothetical to keep Klay, I would do it under a different coach who isn't afraid of setting the standard and he accepts a low wage. If Ime Udoka sleeps with another owners' wife this summer and is a FA, Kerr gets replaced, and Klay accepts being the 7-8th best player on a team under 10m/year, I would love to have him with the team. But this team has too many issues where the key components that set this foundation (CEO, FO, coach, main trio) are not objective in doing their job or how they speak about each other. And regardless if the team wants to remain below average, try to compete or tank, you have to remove some of these factors moving forward.


Can't even take this post seriously. 47% vs 57%, oh the horror! Yeah cherry pick a few elimination games to say he's trash. The Kings actually went on their big run when he was on the bench. And no one cares about CP3 contract since it's an asset as an expiring contract. You're just a Klay hater. Maybe you just started watching GSW this year. To call him a "BAD" player is absolutely hatorade and nothing more. Many contenders would love to have him on their team at minimum as a sharpshooter who can stretch the floor. Foh. There's fair criticism, and then there's being completely delusional..

Sometimes I think some GSW fans don't deserve this dynasty. If you can't appreciate what he's done for this franchise, that's on you. Tim Duncan retired a Spur, Ginobili retired a Spur. They were old too. Give Klay his respect, he's earned it. Am I saying he's a superstar and give him a 5 year max contract? Course not. But he still has plenty of value as someone who has Championship DNA + 3pt sharpshooter spot up. Spoiled fans think everything has to be championship level and just think grass is always greener with breaking it apart etc. They did the same thing to Jim Barnett smh. F loyalty right? Warriors still have 1-2 years if they bring in a 4th player. And LeBron James is gonna be 40 years old. Jason Kidd retired at 42. Ray Allen 38. Players are playing longer and high skilled players play longer. Klay still has a 3pt shot. Calling Klay a "bad player" is hyperbolic baloney.


All this crap you're saying means nothing. How much are you willing to pay Klay?



"All this crap you're saying means nothing." Great analysis + you can't address anything lmao.

Pay him what he's worth at this point. A spot up 3PT shooter who always commands attention as a shooter with Championship DNA. If that's on the lower end then so be it. All this bs floating around this entire year about Klay being a "bad player" is 100% hyperbole. He's worse than his usual self, but that doesn't = "bad." Jordan Poole is a bad player, on multiple levels. We freakin kept Iggy around as a makeshift assistant coach (sure less amount but still). At least make accurate assessments and have context (i.e. how are people gonna disrespect a 4 time champion -- hyperbole does that).
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Re: Can the Warriors break the NBA one last time? 

Post#38 » by BayAreaDub » Sat Jun 15, 2024 10:06 pm

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Can't even take this post seriously. 47% vs 57%, oh the horror! Yeah cherry pick a few elimination games to say he's trash. The Kings actually went on their big run when he was on the bench. And no one cares about CP3 contract since it's an asset as an expiring contract. You're just a Klay hater. Maybe you just started watching GSW this year. To call him a "BAD" player is absolutely hatorade and nothing more. Many contenders would love to have him on their team at minimum as a sharpshooter who can stretch the floor. Foh. There's fair criticism, and then there's being completely delusional..

Sometimes I think some GSW fans don't deserve this dynasty. If you can't appreciate what he's done for this franchise, that's on you. Tim Duncan retired a Spur, Ginobili retired a Spur. They were old too. Give Klay his respect, he's earned it. Am I saying he's a superstar and give him a 5 year max contract? Course not. But he still has plenty of value as someone who has Championship DNA + 3pt sharpshooter spot up. Spoiled fans think everything has to be championship level and just think grass is always greener with breaking it apart etc. They did the same thing to Jim Barnett smh. F loyalty right? Warriors still have 1-2 years if they bring in a 4th player. And LeBron James is gonna be 40 years old. Jason Kidd retired at 42. Ray Allen 38. Players are playing longer and high skilled players play longer. Klay still has a 3pt shot. Calling Klay a "bad player" is hyperbolic baloney.


All this crap you're saying means nothing. How much are you willing to pay Klay?



"All this crap you're saying means nothing." Great analysis + you can't address anything lmao.

Pay him what he's worth at this point. A spot up 3PT shooter who always commands attention as a shooter with Championship DNA. If that's on the lower end then so be it. All this bs floating around this entire year about Klay being a "bad player" is 100% hyperbole. He's worse than his usual self, but that doesn't = "bad." Jordan Poole is a bad player, on multiple levels. We freakin kept Iggy around as a makeshift assistant coach (sure less amount but still). At least make accurate assessments and have context (i.e. how are people gonna disrespect a 4 time champion -- hyperbole does that).


Lol Championship DNA, right back at you with the great analysis bud. Folks on here have addressed more than enough with you.

He’s selfish and thinks he’s better than he actually is. Just like JP actually.

Andre wasn’t crying about not playing heavy minutes and had the self awareness to know he was cooked.

You’re more insufferable than Bonta Hill when it comes to Klay
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Re: Can the Warriors break the NBA one last time? 

Post#39 » by Jax_23 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:42 pm

BayAreaDub wrote:
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All this crap you're saying means nothing. How much are you willing to pay Klay?



"All this crap you're saying means nothing." Great analysis + you can't address anything lmao.

Pay him what he's worth at this point. A spot up 3PT shooter who always commands attention as a shooter with Championship DNA. If that's on the lower end then so be it. All this bs floating around this entire year about Klay being a "bad player" is 100% hyperbole. He's worse than his usual self, but that doesn't = "bad." Jordan Poole is a bad player, on multiple levels. We freakin kept Iggy around as a makeshift assistant coach (sure less amount but still). At least make accurate assessments and have context (i.e. how are people gonna disrespect a 4 time champion -- hyperbole does that).


Lol Championship DNA, right back at you with the great analysis bud. Folks on here have addressed more than enough with you.

He’s selfish and thinks he’s better than he actually is. Just like JP actually.

Andre wasn’t crying about not playing heavy minutes and had the self awareness to know he was cooked.

You’re more insufferable than Bonta Hill when it comes to Klay


Wait.. 4 rings isn't Championship DNA?? :lol: I actually provide substance, ya'll just say "he's cooked," "he's a bad player"

4th in 3pt made during an off year. Ray Allen played to age 38. Klay is 34. Comparing him to Poole? LOL. Delusional. Haters gonna hate.

Grass is always greener mentality. You really think Curry / (2nd year player) / Kuminga / Draymond / (2nd year player) is going to get it done? LMAO. Might as well start the rebuild now if you think that.

I'm not acting like he's a superstar, I'm saying he still has plenty of value, even at 34 (fyi all or nothing thinking isn't a requirement). And that's why plenty of GM's are willing to pay him, even if the Warriors don't.
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Re: Can the Warriors break the NBA one last time? 

Post#40 » by HiRez » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:25 pm

Jax_23 wrote:Grass is always greener mentality. You really think Curry / (2nd year player) / Kuminga / Draymond / (2nd year player) is going to get it done? LMAO. Might as well start the rebuild now if you think that

Now you've got it! No one wants the good times to end, but that's the smart move. They won't do it, but they should from a cold business perspective, looking to the future. Keeping Klay in that group does not move the needle at all, the result will be the same. Maybe it makes them slightly better or slightly worse, you can certainly argue both ways, but it's missing the forest for the trees. This team is not even a playoff team and they're miles away from being a contender again.

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