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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#301 » by azwfan » Tue Jun 10, 2025 1:42 am

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There is no world where the Warriors are a move or two away from being OKC or the Pacers. We are now where they hope to be in a decade, in the twilight of a dynasty. I don’t really get the angst around how we compare to teams that spent years to finally put a competitive squads together. Even if we blew it up, which is the only way we get to that point again, it’s a several year process. Otherwise you nibble around the edges hoping to stay in the mix and push the inevitable rebuild a little further down the road.


I agree the rebuild will take time unless the Warriors have become an organization that stars look at in a new light since Lacob and Co. bought the team. Maybe the way they have treated their own players during the dynasty will have legs in the future.


I’m also curious about our ability to lure blue chip FAs after the Steph years. Money talks and unfortunately the Bay Area is expensive and not Southern California. It’ll be interesting and not something I’m really looking forward to seeing.

Agreed, but the hope is instead of a cap sheet that includes Fortson, Fisher, Maggette, combined making more than a max contract (dont recall if these 3 were at the same time but can replace with Caffey, Blaylock, Dampier, etc) cause the max guys wont even look at us, maybe we can snag a max guy.

Pretty sure its gonna start with drafting well though.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#302 » by EvanZ » Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:10 am

Why are we talknig about Danny **** Fortson lol
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#303 » by Onus » Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:25 am

EvanZ wrote:I heard Walker Kessler might be on the trade block. I wonder if there’s a world where Kuminga goes there and we somehow get him in a S&T. Kessler isn’t the floor spacer obviously but he literally lead the league in offensive rebounding and does all the things we like in traditional centers.

Hasn’t he been on the block for the last year or 2. Ainge wants 2 like good 1sts since they rejected 2 bad 1sts
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#304 » by ILOVEIT » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:54 am

EvanZ wrote:Why are we talknig about Danny **** Fortson lol


The weird thing is .....Warriors in the RUN TMC era were all about Nelson trying to find that one big dude.....finally landed Webber and F'ed that up.

Well, we're kind of at that point again. Tim, Mitch, Chris were close to as good as Curry, Draymond, Jimmy....same kind of trio....and we're looking for the missing big.

For my money, I'd trade Kuminga for Wiggins and go with Post in year 2. Post proved he can shoot...He's 7 foot and will be stronger next year.
Curry, Wiggins, Jimmy, Draymond, Post....I think that works. Besides, it's the defensive WING size that matters....

The only other trade for Kuminga that sounds realistic is the Bulls and White and Vuc.
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Post#305 » by ILOVEIT » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:56 am

Hmm...Kings want to be like the Warriors.... Maybe it's Draymond and Kuminga for Sabonis and Monk?
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#306 » by SpreeS » Wed Jun 11, 2025 6:35 am

ILOVEIT wrote:Hmm...Kings want to be like the Warriors.... Maybe it's Draymond and Kuminga for Sabonis and Monk?


Do you want to be like SAC?
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Post#307 » by vvoland » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:06 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:Hmm...Kings want to be like the Warriors.... Maybe it's Draymond and Kuminga for Sabonis and Monk?


Don't put that evil on me, ricky bobby!

Now, moody, tjd, podz for monk and a pick? Sign me up!
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Post#308 » by SpreeS » Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:00 pm

Bennedict Mathurin is our Kuminga. Carlisle knows how to use him, Kerr not so much. Of cause spacing is different if compared both teams, but still…
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#309 » by Onus » Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:34 pm

SpreeS wrote:Bennedict Mathurin is our Kuminga. Carlisle knows how to use him, Kerr not so much. Of cause spacing is different if compared both teams, but still…

Kerr wants JK to play a certain way, whereas JK wants to play a different way. Kerr was able to get production out of JK but JK got hurt and he couldn't get back to where he was. JK avg 20.8 against the wolves on 54/42/74. The problem is that he does nothing else but score. In 27 minutes he avg 3 rebounds, 1.2 asts, .6 stl and .6 blks against the wolves. Great he can score, but he doesn't get anyone easy shots, he doesn't tilt a defense when he does score. He's a worse scorer than Jimmy and Steph, who do get others better shots while scoring more efficiently. He doesn't really complement other stars because he doesn't space, but he is a great finisher in the dunker spot. He's a scoring pf, but doesn't rebound. Maybe if he can shoot better in the future he can be a scoring SF, with poor ball handling.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#310 » by SpreeS » Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:24 pm

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SpreeS wrote:Bennedict Mathurin is our Kuminga. Carlisle knows how to use him, Kerr not so much. Of cause spacing is different if compared both teams, but still…

Kerr wants JK to play a certain way, whereas JK wants to play a different way. Kerr was able to get production out of JK but JK got hurt and he couldn't get back to where he was. JK avg 20.8 against the wolves on 54/42/74. The problem is that he does nothing else but score. In 27 minutes he avg 3 rebounds, 1.2 asts, .6 stl and .6 blks against the wolves. Great he can score, but he doesn't get anyone easy shots, he doesn't tilt a defense when he does score. He's a worse scorer than Jimmy and Steph, who do get others better shots while scoring more efficiently. He doesn't really complement other stars because he doesn't space, but he is a great finisher in the dunker spot. He's a scoring pf, but doesn't rebound. Maybe if he can shoot better in the future he can be a scoring SF, with poor ball handling.


He didn’t rebound with Minny b/c he defended Ant and was good at it. Look at match ups on Nba.com
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#311 » by whatisacenter » Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:42 pm

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SpreeS wrote:Bennedict Mathurin is our Kuminga. Carlisle knows how to use him, Kerr not so much. Of cause spacing is different if compared both teams, but still…

Kerr wants JK to play a certain way, whereas JK wants to play a different way. Kerr was able to get production out of JK but JK got hurt and he couldn't get back to where he was. JK avg 20.8 against the wolves on 54/42/74. The problem is that he does nothing else but score. In 27 minutes he avg 3 rebounds, 1.2 asts, .6 stl and .6 blks against the wolves. Great he can score, but he doesn't get anyone easy shots, he doesn't tilt a defense when he does score. He's a worse scorer than Jimmy and Steph, who do get others better shots while scoring more efficiently. He doesn't really complement other stars because he doesn't space, but he is a great finisher in the dunker spot. He's a scoring pf, but doesn't rebound. Maybe if he can shoot better in the future he can be a scoring SF, with poor ball handling.


He didn’t rebound with Minny b/c he defended Ant and was good at it. Look at match ups on Nba.com


Yeah, Klay never had high rebounding numbers because he was tasked with guarding the best perimeter player on the other team and it's hard to rack up assists on a roster with players who can't buy a bucket.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#312 » by Onus » Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:45 pm

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SpreeS wrote:Bennedict Mathurin is our Kuminga. Carlisle knows how to use him, Kerr not so much. Of cause spacing is different if compared both teams, but still…

Kerr wants JK to play a certain way, whereas JK wants to play a different way. Kerr was able to get production out of JK but JK got hurt and he couldn't get back to where he was. JK avg 20.8 against the wolves on 54/42/74. The problem is that he does nothing else but score. In 27 minutes he avg 3 rebounds, 1.2 asts, .6 stl and .6 blks against the wolves. Great he can score, but he doesn't get anyone easy shots, he doesn't tilt a defense when he does score. He's a worse scorer than Jimmy and Steph, who do get others better shots while scoring more efficiently. He doesn't really complement other stars because he doesn't space, but he is a great finisher in the dunker spot. He's a scoring pf, but doesn't rebound. Maybe if he can shoot better in the future he can be a scoring SF, with poor ball handling.


He didn’t rebound with Minny b/c he defended Ant and was good at it. Look at match ups on Nba.com

Him not rebounding is not isolated to the minnesota series, but yes I agree he was our best defender on ant.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#313 » by AirP. » Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:56 pm

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Onus wrote:Kerr wants JK to play a certain way, whereas JK wants to play a different way. Kerr was able to get production out of JK but JK got hurt and he couldn't get back to where he was. JK avg 20.8 against the wolves on 54/42/74. The problem is that he does nothing else but score. In 27 minutes he avg 3 rebounds, 1.2 asts, .6 stl and .6 blks against the wolves. Great he can score, but he doesn't get anyone easy shots, he doesn't tilt a defense when he does score. He's a worse scorer than Jimmy and Steph, who do get others better shots while scoring more efficiently. He doesn't really complement other stars because he doesn't space, but he is a great finisher in the dunker spot. He's a scoring pf, but doesn't rebound. Maybe if he can shoot better in the future he can be a scoring SF, with poor ball handling.


He didn’t rebound with Minny b/c he defended Ant and was good at it. Look at match ups on Nba.com


Yeah, Klay never had high rebounding numbers because he was tasked with guarding the best perimeter player on the other team and it's hard to rack up assists on a roster with players who can't buy a bucket.

You're telling me, here's GS's regular season pass tracking per game with also has potential assists. You should be able to make some small calculations based off minutes played to get a good idea how much players really passed.

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#314 » by Onus » Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:58 pm

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Onus wrote:Kerr wants JK to play a certain way, whereas JK wants to play a different way. Kerr was able to get production out of JK but JK got hurt and he couldn't get back to where he was. JK avg 20.8 against the wolves on 54/42/74. The problem is that he does nothing else but score. In 27 minutes he avg 3 rebounds, 1.2 asts, .6 stl and .6 blks against the wolves. Great he can score, but he doesn't get anyone easy shots, he doesn't tilt a defense when he does score. He's a worse scorer than Jimmy and Steph, who do get others better shots while scoring more efficiently. He doesn't really complement other stars because he doesn't space, but he is a great finisher in the dunker spot. He's a scoring pf, but doesn't rebound. Maybe if he can shoot better in the future he can be a scoring SF, with poor ball handling.


He didn’t rebound with Minny b/c he defended Ant and was good at it. Look at match ups on Nba.com


Yeah, Klay never had high rebounding numbers because he was tasked with guarding the best perimeter player on the other team and it's hard to rack up assists on a roster with players who can't buy a bucket.

Jimmy and JK both were incapable of drawing a help defender consistently to get others open shots. The Wolves are really good at defending isolation and were able to hold Luka and Lebron in check. But again JK not able to get others good shots isn't regulated to the playoffs.

We're comparing JK to BM

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16/5/2 on 45/34/83 in his 3rd year
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16/5/2 on 53/32/75 in his 3rd year

I guess Carlisle doesn't know how to use BM either right? He's a 3rd year player coming off the bench doing exactly what JK is doing. If he plays well he gets more minutes if he's not playing well then he doesn't get as many minutes in the series.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#315 » by whatisacenter » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:09 pm

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He didn’t rebound with Minny b/c he defended Ant and was good at it. Look at match ups on Nba.com


Yeah, Klay never had high rebounding numbers because he was tasked with guarding the best perimeter player on the other team and it's hard to rack up assists on a roster with players who can't buy a bucket.

Jimmy and JK both were incapable of drawing a help defender consistently to get others open shots. The Wolves are really good at defending isolation and were able to hold Luka and Lebron in check. But again JK not able to get others good shots isn't regulated to the playoffs.

We're comparing JK to BM

BM avg
16/5/2 on 45/34/83 in his 3rd year
JK avg
16/5/2 on 53/32/75 in his 3rd year

I guess Carlisle doesn't know how to use BM either right? He's a 3rd year player coming off the bench doing exactly what JK is doing. If he plays well he gets more minutes if he's not playing well then he doesn't get as many minutes in the series.


But JK was able to score when a help defender didn't come while JB was not.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#316 » by Onus » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:25 pm

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Yeah, Klay never had high rebounding numbers because he was tasked with guarding the best perimeter player on the other team and it's hard to rack up assists on a roster with players who can't buy a bucket.

Jimmy and JK both were incapable of drawing a help defender consistently to get others open shots. The Wolves are really good at defending isolation and were able to hold Luka and Lebron in check. But again JK not able to get others good shots isn't regulated to the playoffs.


But JK was able to score when a help defender didn't come while JB was not.

How often was JK doing that against their best defender in McDaniels or Ant? I would assume a vast majority of that is against Julius Randle or Naz Reid.

I do think the bigger issue was that we couldn't guard Randle and Ant at the same time once Curry went out and we didn't have the fire power to come back once the wolves went on any type of run.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#317 » by Sam Lowry Jr » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:31 pm

SpreeS wrote:Bennedict Mathurin is our Kuminga. Carlisle knows how to use him, Kerr not so much. Of cause spacing is different if compared both teams, but still…


Carlisle uses BM for instant offense off the bench and his playing time is determined by the flow of the game. Isn't that what Kerr was doing with JK before he got injured?

Can we do the same with JK next year, particularly if he's getting paid a bigger contract? Remember Poole's mindset on a rookie contract vs when he got his extension were quite different.
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Post#318 » by whatisacenter » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:41 pm

Onus wrote:
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Onus wrote:Jimmy and JK both were incapable of drawing a help defender consistently to get others open shots. The Wolves are really good at defending isolation and were able to hold Luka and Lebron in check. But again JK not able to get others good shots isn't regulated to the playoffs.


But JK was able to score when a help defender didn't come while JB was not.

How often was JK doing that against their best defender in McDaniels or Ant? I would assume a vast majority of that is against Julius Randle or Naz Reid.

I do think the bigger issue was that we couldn't guard Randle and Ant at the same time once Curry went out and we didn't have the fire power to come back once the wolves went on any type of run.


The primary defender might have been Randle and Reid at times but he scored over Gobert, NAW, McDaniels and Ant as well.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#319 » by ILOVEIT » Yesterday 4:16 am

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SpreeS wrote:Bennedict Mathurin is our Kuminga. Carlisle knows how to use him, Kerr not so much. Of cause spacing is different if compared both teams, but still…

Kerr wants JK to play a certain way, whereas JK wants to play a different way. Kerr was able to get production out of JK but JK got hurt and he couldn't get back to where he was. JK avg 20.8 against the wolves on 54/42/74. The problem is that he does nothing else but score. In 27 minutes he avg 3 rebounds, 1.2 asts, .6 stl and .6 blks against the wolves. Great he can score, but he doesn't get anyone easy shots, he doesn't tilt a defense when he does score. He's a worse scorer than Jimmy and Steph, who do get others better shots while scoring more efficiently. He doesn't really complement other stars because he doesn't space, but he is a great finisher in the dunker spot. He's a scoring pf, but doesn't rebound. Maybe if he can shoot better in the future he can be a scoring SF, with poor ball handling.


He didn’t rebound with Minny b/c he defended Ant and was good at it. Look at match ups on Nba.com


Thanks Spree. Folks sometimes look at the simple stat and miss the entire story.
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Post#320 » by ILOVEIT » Yesterday 4:21 am

"If he doesn't score then..." lol

Watch this highlight package. Yes, this is a guy Kerr just couldn't figure out how to play. :banghead:

If Warriors trade Kuminga for some average "connector" type player, we deserve to get an injured older player and out in the first round. ALL it would have taken to have a ready JK was Kerr nurturing JK's talent so he was CONFIDENT when he came in the game. What did Kerr do? Instead, he ran the old guys into the ground, refusing to give JK any minutes until he had no other option.

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