Honestly, How does Joe Lacob Look Curry in the Face?

[Nvnervous45]

Before we start deficating all over ourselves, look at the celtics who just dropped holiday and portzingus and are about to lose hortford or the bucks who just dropped lilard. We are up against the cap and can't afford much.

[Coxy]

If Steph Curry is happy to be paid 45% of the entire cap of the Warriors, and want a couple of other star players on the team that are going to take up another 50% of the cap, then he can't really be upset.

You can't be jeolous of other teams that are signing really good free agents, when they don't have the same crazy top heavy contract situation of our ageing star guys.

In fact, Steph, Draymond and Butler should all be THANKING Joe Lacob for committing to such a crazy strategy of trusting their old asses to bring further glory.

[Romulus]

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[Romulus]

If Steph Curry is happy to be paid 45% of the entire cap of the Warriors, and want a couple of other star players on the team that are going to take up another 50% of the cap, then he can't really be upset.

You can't be jeolous of other teams that are signing really good free agents, when they don't have the same crazy top heavy contract situation of our ageing star guys.

In fact, Steph, Draymond and Butler should all be THANKING Joe Lacob for committing to such a crazy strategy of trusting their old asses to bring further glory.

Is it Curry's fault that Joe Lacob has a two-time line going that's failed miserably? Is it Curry's fault that Joe Lacob drafted Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody? Is it Curry's fault that Joe Lacob lets players walk and gets nothing in return, like Oubre, CP3, Looney, GP2 when he could have traded them for assets? Is it Curry's fault that Joe Lacob holds on to draft picks and refuses to use them in trades?

If you're watching and think this is a well run organization, I'm not sure what to tell you. It's not. Hasn't been for a long time now. The Butler trade was made out of desperation. The team sucked. Getting Butler demonstrated that getting even one good player around Curry makes a huge difference.

Steph Curry is more responsible than ANYONE for the 4 championships. By a mile. Iggy said it in front of Lacob for everyone to hear. Curry has made Joe Lacob more money than he could ever have imagined when he bought the team.

And this is how you reward the guy? Lacob has been planning life AFTER Curry for years now. He hasn't invested in Curry and given him a real chance to compete for several of Curry's prime years.

Look what a good organization like Denver is doing now with Jokic. Making good move after good move. The Warriors have had assets -- picks, young players that other teams have wanted.

The bottom line here is the ONLY thing saving this FO and keeping them above water is that Curry still makes everyone around him better. He's still one of the best players in the game. And these last few years of his career? It's just incredibly sad to see them so ill prepared to meet the moment and at least give the fans and Steph a chance to compete for something meaningful.

[Coxy]

If Steph Curry is happy to be paid 45% of the entire cap of the Warriors, and want a couple of other star players on the team that are going to take up another 50% of the cap, then he can't really be upset.

You can't be jeolous of other teams that are signing really good free agents, when they don't have the same crazy top heavy contract situation of our ageing star guys.

In fact, Steph, Draymond and Butler should all be THANKING Joe Lacob for committing to such a crazy strategy of trusting their old asses to bring further glory.

Is it Curry's fault that Joe Lacob has a two-time line going that's failed miserably? Is it Curry's fault that Joe Lacob drafted Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody? Is it Curry's fault that Joe Lacob lets players walk and gets nothing in return, like Oubre, CP3, Looney, GP2 when he could have traded them for assets? Is it Curry's fault that Joe Lacob holds on to draft picks and refuses to use them in trades?

If you're watching and think this is a well run organization, I'm not sure what to tell you. It's not. Hasn't been for a long time now. The Butler trade was made out of desperation. The team sucked. Getting Butler demonstrated that getting even one good player around Curry makes a huge difference.

Steph Curry is more responsible than ANYONE for the 4 championships. By a mile. Iggy said it in front of Lacob for everyone to hear. Curry has made Joe Lacob more money than he could ever have imagined when he bought the team.

And this is how you reward the guy? Lacob has been planning life AFTER Curry for years now. He hasn't invested in Curry and given him a real chance to compete for several of Curry's prime years.

Look what a good organization like Denver is doing now with Jokic. Making good move after good move. The Warriors have had assets -- picks, young players that other teams have wanted.

The bottom line here is the ONLY thing saving this FO and keeping them above water is that Curry still makes everyone around him better. He's still one of the best players in the game. And these last few years of his career? It's just incredibly sad to see them so ill prepared to meet the moment and at least give the fans and Steph a chance to compete for something meaningful.

Eh, that's all a reach for mine. We've done some great things over the years to put amazing teams around Steph to win, and we've also done some not so great things, no org is perfect. I'll take the good and the bad, and not whinge about it.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Sure, he's paying him 60m a year now. But he's making BILLIONS in profit. And every other team with a superstar is currently moving heaven and earth to build a team capable of contending for a championship.

Having no center whatsoever, acting like Podz is a legit starting 2 guard, it's really comically sad.

So I ask, how does Joe Lacob go on TV/radio and PRETEND he's actually trying to win these days? How does he look at Steph in the face?

Trade him, by god, if you aren't going to try.

[superunknown]

Here's the problem...

When an already aging Steph continues to leave nothing on the table what do you expect??

While all the other teams continue to sign players and make meaningful moves, Warriors are forced yet again to sit on their hands during free agency. Sorry beds been made, that's just how it is.

How will a team ever build around SGA, Jokic, Luka, Giannis when they're all making the supermax and leaving nothing on the table. There's only 1 player that has ever won while playing on a supermax and it's none of those 4.

DEN is an interesting one though. becasue they are cleraly finding a way to steer things up despite having jokic (55m), murray (46), gordon (22M) and until yesterday MPJ (38M) eating up pretty much all the cap space. they traded MPJ (an a protected first) for cam johnson, signed bruce brown jr on the cheap and now also tim hardaway jr on the cheap to improve their second unit, and traded for a decent backup C in valanciaunas. all moves that according to most on this board are supposed to be borderline impossible/very hard to make for a team with the cap situation like the nuggets.
let's see how the season will pan out for them, but perhaps it's not as impossible/very hard as some make it to be to make some moves in FA.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Here's the problem...

When an already aging Steph continues to leave nothing on the table what do you expect??

While all the other teams continue to sign players and make meaningful moves, Warriors are forced yet again to sit on their hands during free agency. Sorry beds been made, that's just how it is.

How will a team ever build around SGA, Jokic, Luka, Giannis when they're all making the supermax and leaving nothing on the table. There's only 1 player that has ever won while playing on a supermax and it's none of those 4.

DEN is an interesting one though. becasue they are cleraly finding a way to steer things up despite having jokic (55m), murray (46), gordon (22M) and until yesterday MPJ (38M) eating up pretty much all the cap space. they traded MPJ (an a protected first) for cam johnson, signed bruce brown jr on the cheap and now also tim hardaway jr on the cheap to improve their second unit, and traded for a decent backup C in valanciaunas. all moves that according to most on this board are supposed to be borderline impossible/very hard to make for a team with the cap situation like the nuggets.
let's see how the season will pan out for them, but perhaps it's not as impossible/very hard as some make it to be to make some moves in FA.

Steph, Jimmy, and dray, are around 150.

Jokic, Murray, Gordon, and cam make 150.

A $20-30M player is a big difference, especially one who is under 35.

[Mambomuziki]

I think if we didn't have a stubborn coach we would be pretty much doing these signings and deals. However past history has shown, even current with JK, we cannot just sign anyone to this team. Everyone was happy we signed KA, DS last season but it didn't work, even before with Oubre.
I am not saying Kerr is a bad coach but FO has to get players that he would use. Most players on the NBA can do something but can they work in this system?
In saying that if we do give him the players that are good enough it's magic.

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[superunknown]

How will a team ever build around SGA, Jokic, Luka, Giannis when they're all making the supermax and leaving nothing on the table. There's only 1 player that has ever won while playing on a supermax and it's none of those 4.

DEN is an interesting one though. becasue they are cleraly finding a way to steer things up despite having jokic (55m), murray (46), gordon (22M) and until yesterday MPJ (38M) eating up pretty much all the cap space. they traded MPJ (an a protected first) for cam johnson, signed bruce brown jr on the cheap and now also tim hardaway jr on the cheap to improve their second unit, and traded for a decent backup C in valanciaunas. all moves that according to most on this board are supposed to be borderline impossible/very hard to make for a team with the cap situation like the nuggets.
let's see how the season will pan out for them, but perhaps it's not as impossible/very hard as some make it to be to make some moves in FA.

Steph, Jimmy, and dray, are around 150.

Jokic, Murray, Gordon, and cam make 150.

A $20-30M player is a big difference, especially one who is under 35.

it seems more a 4 x1 move:
MPJ $38M vs johnson $22M, bruce brown $2.3M, valanciaunas $10.4M and tim hardaway jr 2.3$ = $37M

[Crazy-Canuck]

DEN is an interesting one though. becasue they are cleraly finding a way to steer things up despite having jokic (55m), murray (46), gordon (22M) and until yesterday MPJ (38M) eating up pretty much all the cap space. they traded MPJ (an a protected first) for cam johnson, signed bruce brown jr on the cheap and now also tim hardaway jr on the cheap to improve their second unit, and traded for a decent backup C in valanciaunas. all moves that according to most on this board are supposed to be borderline impossible/very hard to make for a team with the cap situation like the nuggets.
let's see how the season will pan out for them, but perhaps it's not as impossible/very hard as some make it to be to make some moves in FA.

Steph, Jimmy, and dray, are around 150.

Jokic, Murray, Gordon, and cam make 150.

A $20-30M player is a big difference, especially one who is under 35.

it seems more a 4 x1 move:
MPJ $38M vs johnson $22M, bruce brown $2.3M, valanciaunas $10.4M and tim hardaway jr 2.3$ = $37M

Yeah, that's why the jimmy extension was always going to handcuff us.

Jimmy at 60M vs cam, wiggins , and val at 60M. Big difference in roster building.

[CS707]

We're mad at the guy that paid so much money in lux taxes to keep a championship group together that the league adjusted the rules so the other owners could save face?

[michaelm]

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[q uote="CS707"]We're mad at the guy that paid so much money in lux taxes to keep a championship group together that the league adjusted the rules so the other owners could save face?[/quote]
Exactly.


The two timelines strategy and wastage of draft picks was not so good, but that 4th title was both a bonus imo and a testimony to Steph’s greatness, and they managed to put together a very good team for that year, so I am not sure we could really have expected all that much more. Wiseman was the bad choice, even if he came off he was going to take years of development, and seems to have been a choice heavily influenced by Lacob. What they have done with Kuminga has not been great either, doing neither of trading him at his peak value or develop him into a high level starting player.

[HiRez]

It really seems Lacob has made the decision to save his future draft picks no matter what. He will put up money to acquire players such as Butler, but will not move those picks to add the last piece or two to really compete in Steph's last few years. If they moved those picks, they could probably tempt teams enough to part with talented young players like Giddey, Avdija, Johnson, White, Murphy, Duren, etc. who could be real difference-makers for this team. I can't think of why this hasn't happened except Lacob is keeping his powder dry for a Giannis or Jokic. It's a risky strategy and odd when you like to give the impression you're "going for it" for Steph, but really they are not "all in" on that without being willing to move the picks.

[marthafokker]

We're mad at the guy that paid so much money in lux taxes to keep a championship group together that the league adjusted the rules so the other owners could save face?

If the league zig, Dubs needs to zag. Instead, we got Curry and Butler with no hopes for another championship. Yet keep zigging.

I love Curry, but maybe we could have gotten the league give us #1 lottery pick magically (for Cooper Flag) for giving up Curry.

[marthafokker]

It really seems Lacob has made the decision to save his future draft picks no matter what. He will put up money to acquire players such as Butler, but will not move those picks to add the last piece or two to really compete in Steph's last few years. If they moved those picks, they could probably tempt teams enough to part with talented young players like Giddey, Avdija, Johnson, White, Murphy, Duren, etc. who could be real difference-makers for this team. I can't think of why this hasn't happened except Lacob is keeping his powder dry for a Giannis or Jokic. It's a risky strategy and odd when you like to give the impression you're "going for it" for Steph, but really they are not "all in" on that without being willing to move the picks.

I think he see the end. Those picks are top 5 picks post Curry.

[dk1115]

we must be living in two different worlds because Podz is a starting caliber player. And it's not really all that close.

[Sandy333]

We have a coach who doesnot even drive the trade value of youngsters like kuminga by running plays for them. Instead we are pandering to old superstars who fool us to think they can win a championship every year.

[HiRez]

It really seems Lacob has made the decision to save his future draft picks no matter what. He will put up money to acquire players such as Butler, but will not move those picks to add the last piece or two to really compete in Steph's last few years. If they moved those picks, they could probably tempt teams enough to part with talented young players like Giddey, Avdija, Johnson, White, Murphy, Duren, etc. who could be real difference-makers for this team. I can't think of why this hasn't happened except Lacob is keeping his powder dry for a Giannis or Jokic. It's a risky strategy and odd when you like to give the impression you're "going for it" for Steph, but really they are not "all in" on that without being willing to move the picks.

I think he see the end. Those picks are top 5 picks post Curry.

Maybe. But using those picks now for young players who are already somewhat proven could be just as valuable. I'm not even sure they'd be top 5 picks though, there'a a lot of really bad teams in the league who would be hard to out-tank, especially over the 5+ years required to get all those picks. And it's not like these Warriors have a great track record of hitting on top picks.