Fire Steve Kerr?

[vvoland]

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I was waiting for that. KD never disappoints. Didn't say he was wrong though, just bringing up old stuff. I actually think Kerr would have been one of the reasons KD would have wanted to come back. After all, few things bring people closer together than a couple of triumphant weeks in Paris. I always figured KD left because he wanted to have his own team and between westbrook and steph, he hadn't felt like he really owned a place yet. Funny that he chose Kyrie, Harden, and BKN for that. He's truly an enigma.

[jozef]

No, Carlisle lost the Game 7 because his franchise player went down with an achilles injury in the first half lol. What are you talking about.

The fact they even kept it close and still had a shot is a testament to him.

I am talking about the reason why the Pacers lost. Haliburton left the game at 16-18 score. It was 53-56 when T.J. got under pressure. And there were clear signs of same pressure in 1st half.

And Indy had no one to handle the ball. The refs let both teams play super physical, on-ball, defense. OKC had at least 4 people on the court, at all times, that could handle the ball, Indy had only 2 on their roster after hali got hurt.

Basically anybody can dribble the ball up the court. Siakam, Mathurin, Nembhard... Same for OKC.
I watched about 100 John Stockton games. In one of them Muggsy Bogues stole the ball from Stockton for 2nd time. Jerry Sloan took him immediately from dribbling the ball up the court duty. It did happen once. I never saw that adjustment in the rest 99 games - it was not needed.
Here we saw failures in 1st half already. Probably some scoring masked the downfall for Carlisle but I saw his team obviously falling apart. Sure the media portrait C.J. as a fighting hero cause of his 16 points but there is no depth of understanding the game.
In 2nd half five turnovers by McConnell himself, all under pressure. Another one team turnover by McConnell on 5 second inbound violation. Plus 2 another turnovers by his teammates whom he set up to tough positions. Turnovers happens but a coach needs to react quickly if they happen under pressure and if they are determinated by limits.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Did the team underachieve over achieve their talent?. The teams talent was not that great, and I think they overachieved a little bit. Therefore, you normally would not fire Steve Kerr under the circumstances..

I actually think that's a pretty decent litmus test

They overachieved in the first part of the dynasty, I don't think that's even debatable. Winning in '15 was a shock to most. They became the greatest team ever, in KD's first season (maybe first 2?). 5 straight finals, 73 wins, the two finals losses only due to injuries/suspensions/both. Sure, steve wasn't the driving force, but he was a major factor. It's been impossible to repeat since the dubs, only Bos even making b2b finals. We may never see 5 finals in a row, again. It was incredibly impressive, even considering the talent and expectations.

In the 6 years since those first 5 years, it's hard to say they've underachieved considering they won the title and made the 2nd round of the playoffs twice. That 6 year run is better than anything we've had in the bay area, as warriors fans, since rick barry (except the first 5 years, of course). They didn't fully tap their potential in these 6 years, I'd agree with that. If that's the bar, I'd say it's too high. Out of the 3 years when they didn't advance in the playoffs, we had curry break his arm 5 games into one season and play-in appearances the other 2 years. 23-24 probably has the strongest argument as an underachieving season and Kerr not being better with Dray has been his biggest flaw, particularly glaring that year.

I've been beyond upset with Steve, particularly how he used players that don't fit his vision right out of the gate (JK, MM, Schroeder) and how he overuses the players that he trusts (we can go back to ezeli on this one). Perfection isn't his bar and whatever bar I've had for my favorite team's coach, he's cleared it every season.

For this last run, I wouldn't even gamble on Pop or Spo or Carlisle or prime Phil Jackson. For this set of players, with their mentality, loyalty, and style of play, we have to stick with Kerr. Unless it's glaring he's the reason we're losing games but, even then, he's probably earned enough rope to get a full season, right?

I think about the Larry Brown coach teams with Larry Brown was always a good coach for three years and then the players stop listening to him, and he becomes a bad coach.I think about the Larry Brown coach teams with Larry Brown was always a good coach for three years and then the player stop listening to him and he becomes a bad coach That you must.that you must fire. But I think the players still listen to Kerr. Luke Walton, Alvin, Gentry, Ron Adams and Mike Brown helped Kar a lot. Warriors, dynasty, offenseless designed by Alvin Gentry. Warriors defense was designed by Ron Adams, and then managed by Mike Brown.

Give Kerr good assistant coaches because it turns out that for Steve Kerr, assistant, coaches matter.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

All the sports media personalities were sure the more talented 2022 Celtics would be the 2022 warriors who like the size and athleticism.

But the Warriors beat the Celtics with smarter play. Yes, curry Draymond and Iguodala are really smart players, and CKlay was hard to handle when his shots were falling; BUT when you beat a better team by playing smarter The head coach deserves some credit.

Jordan pool with a double edge sword, because he did stupid things as well athletic things and hot shooting. We know that Kar hates playing knuckleheads like Kalinga and Jordan Poole but we could not win the 2022 championship without riding Jordan Poole.We know that her hate playing knuckleheads like Knigge enjoy the pool but we could not win the 2022 championship without riding Jordan Poole. The main critique of Steve Kerr on this board is that he refuses to play talented, but stupid players, and therefore he does not develop the talented stupid players and plays teams that are lacking the talent of the people you ask riotting on the bench. But Kar approved he can rely on an idiot like Jordan Poole if he has to.

When we played Ty Jerome and Anthony Lamb over Kuminga and Moody we had to do that if we wanted to make the playoffs because Kuminga and Moody were not playing well and we weren’t gonna make the playoffs with them playing over Anthony, Lamb, and Tyser on who were playing well. It was short term, thinking to play lemons your own, when you had to develop Kuminga and moody for future years but when you have Steph Curry and Draymond, it’s wrong to worry about years because you have a chance now as we proved in 2022. We should not have drafted rookies and two timelines with stupid. We should’ve traded draft picks for players that are playing now and for teacher graphics because it wasn’t the time to be trying to develop brookies and that wasn’t Steve cars fault that was the GM’s fault.

[floppymoose]

This thread is going into overdrive next season. Kerr is suddenly going to be awful, according to many many posters.

[EvanZ]

This thread is going into overdrive next season. Kerr is suddenly going to be awful, according to many many posters.

How can you say "suddenly" when the title of this thread is literally about firing him.

[HiRez]

I think Kerr is gone when Steph retires anyway, no sooner and no later...unless they pull off an unlikely Giannis or Jokic trade maybe.

The real topic should be does MDJ need to be replaced? His (short) tenure is a mixed bag at this point. On one hand he has made a lot of moves that didn't really work out (Slowmo, Schroder, Waters, Knox, Buddy with the exception of a couple playoff games), and let the Kuminga situation go too far before resolving it with a trade or a contract to the point where it's not only a major distraction but holding up the whole offseason.

On the other hand he has had some pretty nice finds lower down in the draft (Podz, Post, TJD) and Melton was an excellent signing before the injury. And he's operating with a lot of financial restrictions. I think the jury is still out on the Butler move, he's great when he's in top form, but he hasn't been much of the time and he's incredibly expensive for yet another really old player, and one who overlaps with Draymond a lot when neither one is coming off the bench.

I'm still on the fence about Dunleavy, but Masai Ujiri is out there.

[vvoland]

I think Kerr is gone when Steph retires anyway, no sooner and no later...unless they pull off an unlikely Giannis or Jokic trade maybe.

The real topic should be does MDJ need to be replaced? His (short) tenure is a mixed bag at this point. On one hand he has made a lot of moves that didn't really work out (Slowmo, Schroder, Waters, Knox, Buddy with the exception of a couple playoff games), and let the Kuminga situation go too far before resolving it with a trade or a contract to the point where it's not only a major distraction but holding up the whole offseason.

On the other hand he has had some pretty nice finds lower down in the draft (Podz, Post, TJD) and Melton was an excellent signing before the injury. And he's operating with a lot of financial restrictions. I think the jury is still out on the Butler move, he's great when he's in top form, but he hasn't been much of the time and he's incredibly expensive for yet another really old player, and one who overlaps with Draymond a lot when neither one is coming off the bench.

I'm still on the fence about Dunleavy, but Masai Ujiri is out there.

Now do the same list for Masai over the last few years. I don't think it'll look good for him.

[HiRez]

I think Kerr is gone when Steph retires anyway, no sooner and no later...unless they pull off an unlikely Giannis or Jokic trade maybe.

The real topic should be does MDJ need to be replaced? His (short) tenure is a mixed bag at this point. On one hand he has made a lot of moves that didn't really work out (Slowmo, Schroder, Waters, Knox, Buddy with the exception of a couple playoff games), and let the Kuminga situation go too far before resolving it with a trade or a contract to the point where it's not only a major distraction but holding up the whole offseason.

On the other hand he has had some pretty nice finds lower down in the draft (Podz, Post, TJD) and Melton was an excellent signing before the injury. And he's operating with a lot of financial restrictions. I think the jury is still out on the Butler move, he's great when he's in top form, but he hasn't been much of the time and he's incredibly expensive for yet another really old player, and one who overlaps with Draymond a lot when neither one is coming off the bench.

I'm still on the fence about Dunleavy, but Masai Ujiri is out there.

Now do the same list for Masai over the last few years. I don't think it'll look good for him.

It's true, he's had a mixed history of successes and failures...but I still think more success in the aggregate. I'm not necessarily advocating for him, however, he does have some connections to Giannis. If that's still Lacob's obsession, it's not a small detail.

[statsman]

I wouldn't put much failure on MDJ regarding Kuminga. That has Lacob's handiwork written all over it.

As far as SloMo, Waters, and Buddy are concerned, that's about the best they could have done with the Klay S&T. Beyond that, SloMo, Schroder, Waters, and Wiggins were flipped for Butler. That was a pretty good trade, especially since MDJ had a Durant trade configured before Durant nixed it.

There are far more GMs in the league worse than MDJ than are better. We'll find out just how good he is or isn't once Curry, Butler, and Draymond are retired or off the team.

[Old_Blue]

KD never disappoints. Didn't say he was wrong though, just bringing up old stuff. I actually think Kerr would have been one of the reasons KD would have wanted to come back. After all, few things bring people closer together than a couple of triumphant weeks in Paris. I always figured KD left because he wanted to have his own team and between westbrook and steph, he hadn't felt like he really owned a place yet. Funny that he chose Kyrie, Harden, and BKN for that. He's truly an enigma.

Durant is the Aaron Rodgers of the NBA. All the dude does is burn bridges. 37 years old. No wife. No girlfriend. No children. Reality is that Durant left the Dubs not because of Kerr or Draymond but because of himself. When he left the Dubs, Durant suggested that the team didn't really prioritize joy - as had been advertised. That comment alone has to make you wonder. Durant is now on his fifth NBA team, an ongoing pursuit of happiness that won't ever be resolved until the man takes a good long look in the mirror. Imagine having all that talent and all that wealth and not being at peace with yourself.

[vvoland]

KD never disappoints. Didn't say he was wrong though, just bringing up old stuff. I actually think Kerr would have been one of the reasons KD would have wanted to come back. After all, few things bring people closer together than a couple of triumphant weeks in Paris. I always figured KD left because he wanted to have his own team and between westbrook and steph, he hadn't felt like he really owned a place yet. Funny that he chose Kyrie, Harden, and BKN for that. He's truly an enigma.

Durant is the Aaron Rodgers of the NBA. All the dude does is burn bridges. 37 years old. No wife. No girlfriend. No children. Reality is that Durant left the Dubs not because of Kerr or Draymond but because of himself. When he left the Dubs, Durant suggested that the team didn't really prioritize joy - as had been advertised. That comment alone has to make you wonder. Durant is now on his fifth NBA team, an ongoing pursuit of happiness that won't ever be resolved until the man takes a good long look in the mirror. Imagine having all that talent and all that wealth and not being at peace with yourself.

his long form interviews with simmons were really good, i thought. He was the quintessential star that thought he would find his happiness on this court, when he won, but realized that it doesn't work that way. For a man that based his entire identity on being 'a hooper' that must be a tough lesson to learn.

[vvoland]

I think Kerr is gone when Steph retires anyway, no sooner and no later...unless they pull off an unlikely Giannis or Jokic trade maybe.

The real topic should be does MDJ need to be replaced? His (short) tenure is a mixed bag at this point. On one hand he has made a lot of moves that didn't really work out (Slowmo, Schroder, Waters, Knox, Buddy with the exception of a couple playoff games), and let the Kuminga situation go too far before resolving it with a trade or a contract to the point where it's not only a major distraction but holding up the whole offseason.

On the other hand he has had some pretty nice finds lower down in the draft (Podz, Post, TJD) and Melton was an excellent signing before the injury. And he's operating with a lot of financial restrictions. I think the jury is still out on the Butler move, he's great when he's in top form, but he hasn't been much of the time and he's incredibly expensive for yet another really old player, and one who overlaps with Draymond a lot when neither one is coming off the bench.

I'm still on the fence about Dunleavy, but Masai Ujiri is out there.

Now do the same list for Masai over the last few years. I don't think it'll look good for him.

It's true, he's had a mixed history of successes and failures...but I still think more success in the aggregate. I'm not necessarily advocating for him, however, he does have some connections to Giannis. If that's still Lacob's obsession, it's not a small detail.

The Poetl trade, the OG return, the Siakam trade, FVV leaving on a free, the ingram trade/extension, the Poetl extension. I mean, since the 'ship, that organization has had one bad move after another.

His closeness to giannis was something i forgot about and would def be a feather in the cap.

[Nvnervous45]

KD never disappoints. Didn't say he was wrong though, just bringing up old stuff. I actually think Kerr would have been one of the reasons KD would have wanted to come back. After all, few things bring people closer together than a couple of triumphant weeks in Paris. I always figured KD left because he wanted to have his own team and between westbrook and steph, he hadn't felt like he really owned a place yet. Funny that he chose Kyrie, Harden, and BKN for that. He's truly an enigma.

Durant is the Aaron Rodgers of the NBA. All the dude does is burn bridges. 37 years old. No wife. No girlfriend. No children. Reality is that Durant left the Dubs not because of Kerr or Draymond but because of himself. When he left the Dubs, Durant suggested that the team didn't really prioritize joy - as had been advertised. That comment alone has to make you wonder. Durant is now on his fifth NBA team, an ongoing pursuit of happiness that won't ever be resolved until the man takes a good long look in the mirror. Imagine having all that talent and all that wealth and not being at peace with yourself.

He gets it!

[Old_Blue]

KD never disappoints. Didn't say he was wrong though, just bringing up old stuff. I actually think Kerr would have been one of the reasons KD would have wanted to come back. After all, few things bring people closer together than a couple of triumphant weeks in Paris. I always figured KD left because he wanted to have his own team and between westbrook and steph, he hadn't felt like he really owned a place yet. Funny that he chose Kyrie, Harden, and BKN for that. He's truly an enigma.

Durant is the Aaron Rodgers of the NBA. All the dude does is burn bridges. 37 years old. No wife. No girlfriend. No children. Reality is that Durant left the Dubs not because of Kerr or Draymond but because of himself. When he left the Dubs, Durant suggested that the team didn't really prioritize joy - as had been advertised. That comment alone has to make you wonder. Durant is now on his fifth NBA team, an ongoing pursuit of happiness that won't ever be resolved until the man takes a good long look in the mirror. Imagine having all that talent and all that wealth and not being at peace with yourself.

his long form interviews with simmons were really good, i thought. He was the quintessential star that thought he would find his happiness on this court, when he won, but realized that it doesn't work that way. For a man that based his entire identity on being 'a hooper' that must be a tough lesson to learn.

Oh, poor baby, Kevin. He can't manage life on $50+ million per year and the pampered existence of an NBA player. How do all those other NBA players juggle a family AND playing basketball AND other priorities? How ever do they do it? If ever anyone on this planet deserved the label "snowflake," it's KD. Again, the man is nearly 37 years old and yet, somehow, still hasn't managed to grow up.

[vvoland]

Durant is the Aaron Rodgers of the NBA. All the dude does is burn bridges. 37 years old. No wife. No girlfriend. No children. Reality is that Durant left the Dubs not because of Kerr or Draymond but because of himself. When he left the Dubs, Durant suggested that the team didn't really prioritize joy - as had been advertised. That comment alone has to make you wonder. Durant is now on his fifth NBA team, an ongoing pursuit of happiness that won't ever be resolved until the man takes a good long look in the mirror. Imagine having all that talent and all that wealth and not being at peace with yourself.

his long form interviews with simmons were really good, i thought. He was the quintessential star that thought he would find his happiness on this court, when he won, but realized that it doesn't work that way. For a man that based his entire identity on being 'a hooper' that must be a tough lesson to learn.

Oh, poor baby, Kevin. He can't manage life on $50+ million per year and the pampered existence of an NBA player. How do all those other NBA players juggle a family AND playing basketball AND other priorities? How ever do they do it? If ever anyone on this planet deserved the label "snowflake," it's KD. Again, the man is nearly 37 years old and yet, somehow, still hasn't managed to grow up.

people chase happiness in their own ways. I don't mean he regretted not having a family or whatever, just saying he didn't experience the fulfillment he thought winning would give him. I can't really judge that having never been in those shoes. Yes, the money sounds amazing. The rest of it? not so much.

[Old_Blue]

his long form interviews with simmons were really good, i thought. He was the quintessential star that thought he would find his happiness on this court, when he won, but realized that it doesn't work that way. For a man that based his entire identity on being 'a hooper' that must be a tough lesson to learn.

Oh, poor baby, Kevin. He can't manage life on $50+ million per year and the pampered existence of an NBA player. How do all those other NBA players juggle a family AND playing basketball AND other priorities? How ever do they do it? If ever anyone on this planet deserved the label "snowflake," it's KD. Again, the man is nearly 37 years old and yet, somehow, still hasn't managed to grow up.

people chase happiness in their own ways. I don't mean he regretted not having a family or whatever, just saying he didn't experience the fulfillment he thought winning would give him. I can't really judge that having never been in those shoes. Yes, the money sounds amazing. The rest of it? not so much.

You know what I'm saying. KD is very clearly a malcontent. Anyone who blames Kerr for KD's departure is nuts. KD would have cooked up an excuse to leave regardless of who the coach was. Five teams and counting.

[vvoland]

Oh, poor baby, Kevin. He can't manage life on $50+ million per year and the pampered existence of an NBA player. How do all those other NBA players juggle a family AND playing basketball AND other priorities? How ever do they do it? If ever anyone on this planet deserved the label "snowflake," it's KD. Again, the man is nearly 37 years old and yet, somehow, still hasn't managed to grow up.

people chase happiness in their own ways. I don't mean he regretted not having a family or whatever, just saying he didn't experience the fulfillment he thought winning would give him. I can't really judge that having never been in those shoes. Yes, the money sounds amazing. The rest of it? not so much.

You know what I'm saying. KD is very clearly a malcontent. Anyone who blames Kerr for KD's departure is nuts. KD would have cooked up an excuse to leave regardless of who the coach was. Five teams and counting.

Oh, sure. I agree with most of that. I wouldn't use 'malcontent' as I don't think he was "making trouble" or even "rebellious." Yes, I had to look up the word because I typically associate it with "troublemaker."

I just think he's a restless individual who's not looking for personal fulfillment in the right places (inside, not out). He actually seems like a rather thoughtful and rational person; someone that would be fun to hang out with.

But yes, anyone who thinks there's anyone to blame for KD leaving, other than KD, is just shifting blame.

[Old_Blue]

Oh, sure. I agree with most of that. I wouldn't use 'malcontent' as I don't think he was "making trouble" or even "rebellious." Yes, I had to look up the word because I typically associate it with "troublemaker."

I just think he's a restless individual who's not looking for personal fulfillment in the right places (inside, not out). He actually seems like a rather thoughtful and rational person; someone that would be fun to hang out with.

But yes, anyone who thinks there's anyone to blame for KD leaving, other than KD, is just shifting blame.

I don't know about hanging out with the man. Midway through a round of beers, the man is likely to swap you out for some flat Earther one table over. And yes, you'll get stuck paying the tab.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

This thread is going into overdrive next season. Kerr is suddenly going to be awful, according to many many posters.

How can you say "suddenly" when the title of this thread is literally about firing him.

When you start drooling and posting selfies, carrying torches and pitchforks, you will know you’re in overdrive.