Why the Warriors should and will re-sign Kuminga

[Onus]

He exposed him to the league, so now he has to take his losses. If they pass up Carter we’ll probably end up with even less later on. JK’s value is going to continue going down.

Why does he have to take his loss? Lacob is just going to continue to force JK on this team

While it's undeniable Lacob has huge influence over FO decisions, I am willing to bet significant money that he has 0 say over Kerr's rotations. Not just because they've been so weird and often feature players the FO is not invested in over the youth the FO drafted. Mostly because Kerr is a no b.s. dude, once fought Mike in practice, and has 4 rings (3 in his first 4 years as coach). He doesn't need the job, has the ultimate backing from players, and is a strong personality. He has more say over FO decisions than lacob has over the lineups.

Are you trying to say that Kerr wants JK on the team?

[vvoland]

Why does he have to take his loss? Lacob is just going to continue to force JK on this team

While it's undeniable Lacob has huge influence over FO decisions, I am willing to bet significant money that he has 0 say over Kerr's rotations. Not just because they've been so weird and often feature players the FO is not invested in over the youth the FO drafted. Mostly because Kerr is a no b.s. dude, once fought Mike in practice, and has 4 rings (3 in his first 4 years as coach). He doesn't need the job, has the ultimate backing from players, and is a strong personality. He has more say over FO decisions than lacob has over the lineups.

Are you trying to say that Kerr wants JK on the team?

Not at all. I'm just saying exactly what I said, that Lacob has no influence over Kerr's rotations. If Kerr ran the FO, I'm sure JK would have not been drafted and would have been traded by now, for sure. If that's what you meant by 'continue to force,' then, sure. I don't think JK's minutes indicate any forcing happening outside of whatever Steve thinks is the right call. I may disagree on what Kerr thinks that might be, but I fully agree that the FO shouldn't meddle in the rotations/minutes decisions.

[EvanZ]

I wish Kuminga would resign.

[DAWill1128]

I am hoping they just bring Kuminga back and we explore moving him closer to the trade deadline, even if it involves picks on our end.

Some of these teams out west are absolutely stacked, they need a large contract on hand if they are coming up short.

[bay2hk]

Stay pat and force JK to sign the QO. He’s not worth more than $16m annually

[TB]

Stay pat and force JK to sign the QO. He’s not worth more than $16m annually

I think it benefits the Warriors and Kuminga more to sign a larger deal.

For Kuminga, avoids the Noel/Schroder risk. Lock in wealth with opt outs in your mid 20s. If the relationship with Warriors stays awful, he can force his way into a trade as early as December.

For Warriors, keeps Kuminga long-term if it works out with him. Very tradable contract even at 20m a year.

This all seems like a no brainer if there aren’t any S&T options.

[bay2hk]

Stay pat and force JK to sign the QO. He’s not worth more than $16m annually

I think it benefits the Warriors and Kuminga more to sign a larger deal.

For Kuminga, avoids the Noel/Schroder risk. Lock in wealth with opt outs in your mid 20s. If the relationship with Warriors stays awful, he can force his way into a trade as early as December.

For Warriors, keeps Kuminga long-term if it works out with him. Very tradable contract even at 20m a year.

This all seems like a no brainer if there aren’t any S&T options.

Better to s&t now if we don’t plan to keep him but the trade market for him sucks. One scenario Warriors are prob trying to avoid is having to give up draft capital to get rid of JK’s contract if he doesn’t perform (e.g. Poole / CP3 trade).

Based on JK’s past 4 years, I’ll wager he’s not going to figure it out under Warriors’ current system. Doesn’t have the IQ or motor to be a team player / rebounder / plus defender.

JK signing the QO also gives us a lot of options with NTMLE, BAE and TPE going into the season to improve our roster. There will be roster casualty before the season starts and we can trade for good players on the cheap with our TPE.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Stay pat and force JK to sign the QO. He’s not worth more than $16m annually

I think it benefits the Warriors and Kuminga more to sign a larger deal.

For Kuminga, avoids the Noel/Schroder risk. Lock in wealth with opt outs in your mid 20s. If the relationship with Warriors stays awful, he can force his way into a trade as early as December.

For Warriors, keeps Kuminga long-term if it works out with him. Very tradable contract even at 20m a year.

This all seems like a no brainer if there aren’t any S&T options.

I agree with all of this.

For people anxious to get him out the door to open up FA options for us right now, it seems overly pessimistic on Kuminga's ability to help and overly optimistic regarding this team's chances without Kuminga taking a big step forward. None of the exceptions or FA options that would be opened up by getting rid of him will substantially push the team toward contending. The best path toward contending is to keep Kuminga and make sure Kerr is invested in making it work with him or trade him midseason along with picks for a big time player.

Either way, just jettisoning him serves only to usher this team toward rebuilding because the roster as constructed is just not good enough to contend.

[vvoland]

Stay pat and force JK to sign the QO. He’s not worth more than $16m annually

I think it benefits the Warriors and Kuminga more to sign a larger deal.

For Kuminga, avoids the Noel/Schroder risk. Lock in wealth with opt outs in your mid 20s. If the relationship with Warriors stays awful, he can force his way into a trade as early as December.

For Warriors, keeps Kuminga long-term if it works out with him. Very tradable contract even at 20m a year.

This all seems like a no brainer if there aren’t any S&T options.

I agree with all of this.

For people anxious to get him out the door to open up FA options for us right now, it seems overly pessimistic on Kuminga's ability to help and overly optimistic regarding this team's chances without Kuminga taking a big step forward. None of the exceptions or FA options that would be opened up by getting rid of him will substantially push the team toward contending. The best path toward contending is to keep Kuminga and make sure Kerr is invested in making it work with him or trade him midseason along with picks for a big time player.

Either way, just jettisoning him serves only to usher this team toward rebuilding because the roster as constructed is just not good enough to contend.

I think this is exactly what a lot of this board would prefer.

[CS707]

Why does he have to take his loss? Lacob is just going to continue to force JK on this team

While it's undeniable Lacob has huge influence over FO decisions, I am willing to bet significant money that he has 0 say over Kerr's rotations. Not just because they've been so weird and often feature players the FO is not invested in over the youth the FO drafted. Mostly because Kerr is a no b.s. dude, once fought Mike in practice, and has 4 rings (3 in his first 4 years as coach). He doesn't need the job, has the ultimate backing from players, and is a strong personality. He has more say over FO decisions than lacob has over the lineups.

Are you trying to say that Kerr wants JK on the team?

I think Steve wants JK to succeed but play the way he’s being asked. I think Steve genuinely feels what he’s asking JK to do and what is going to lead to his success is one and the same. It, IMO, is loosely akin to the Larry Brown/Iverson relationship. Larry knew what was best for AI but both of them were hardheaded.

[Nate the Great]

Best case scenario, Kuminga signs for around $20m per, they feed him the ball and run up his PPG total, then trade him to some team that thinks they can make a complete player out of him and get something useful in return. Worst case scenario, they give into his demands and sign him to the big contract he wants for $30+m, he goes back to thinking all he has to do is dunk, and we read “dump Kuminga” offers on the trade board for years.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Stay pat and force JK to sign the QO. He’s not worth more than $16m annually

I think it benefits the Warriors and Kuminga more to sign a larger deal.

For Kuminga, avoids the Noel/Schroder risk. Lock in wealth with opt outs in your mid 20s. If the relationship with Warriors stays awful, he can force his way into a trade as early as December.

For Warriors, keeps Kuminga long-term if it works out with him. Very tradable contract even at 20m a year.

This all seems like a no brainer if there aren’t any S&T options.

I agree with all of this.

For people anxious to get him out the door to open up FA options for us right now, it seems overly pessimistic on Kuminga's ability to help and overly optimistic regarding this team's chances without Kuminga taking a big step forward. None of the exceptions or FA options that would be opened up by getting rid of him will substantially push the team toward contending. The best path toward contending is to keep Kuminga and make sure Kerr is invested in making it work with him or trade him midseason along with picks for a big time player.

Either way, just jettisoning him serves only to usher this team toward rebuilding because the roster as constructed is just not good enough to contend.

The one drawback is that teams making a big deal (if trading jk for a starter) at the deadline has never worked out well that season. Acclimating with the system, with the players, the move, etc.. I recall a tweet where any team that has made a significant deal has ALWAYS faltered that season. I brought it up when the jimmy deal was made. It's this season where the trade was supposed to bear fruit. Unfortunately, we are now mired in the kuminga dilemma.

We would then essentially waste another steph year. And jimmy becomes a FA.

Unless we bring back a former warrior to replace jk, the best chance for steph might be for jk to figure it. And im very pro trading kuminga.

[Nate the Great]

I think it benefits the Warriors and Kuminga more to sign a larger deal.

For Kuminga, avoids the Noel/Schroder risk. Lock in wealth with opt outs in your mid 20s. If the relationship with Warriors stays awful, he can force his way into a trade as early as December.

For Warriors, keeps Kuminga long-term if it works out with him. Very tradable contract even at 20m a year.

This all seems like a no brainer if there aren’t any S&T options.

I agree with all of this.

For people anxious to get him out the door to open up FA options for us right now, it seems overly pessimistic on Kuminga's ability to help and overly optimistic regarding this team's chances without Kuminga taking a big step forward. None of the exceptions or FA options that would be opened up by getting rid of him will substantially push the team toward contending. The best path toward contending is to keep Kuminga and make sure Kerr is invested in making it work with him or trade him midseason along with picks for a big time player.

Either way, just jettisoning him serves only to usher this team toward rebuilding because the roster as constructed is just not good enough to contend.

The one drawback is that teams making a big deal (if trading jk for a starter) at the deadline has never worked out well that season. Acclimating with the system, with the players, the move, etc.. I recall a tweet where any team that has made a significant deal has ALWAYS faltered that season. I brought it up when the jimmy deal was made. It's this season where the trade was supposed to bear fruit. Unfortunately, we are now mired in the kuminga dilemma.

We would then essentially waste another steph year. And jimmy becomes a FA.

Unless we bring back a former warrior to replace jk, the best chance for steph might be for jk to figure it. And im very pro trading kuminga.

Unless figuring it out involves learning to shoot, someone will still need to be traded. They can’t be giving Kuminga, Draymond and Jimmy major minutes. The Warriors are largely responsible for the fact that, in today’s NBA, a team can’t function without at least one shooter in the frontcourt. Jimmy and Draymond at least compensate with good defense, so maybe Kuminga can try a little harder on that end?

[HiRez]

The one drawback is that teams making a big deal (if trading jk for a starter) at the deadline has never worked out well that season. Acclimating with the system, with the players, the move, etc.. I recall a tweet where any team that has made a significant deal has ALWAYS faltered that season. I brought it up when the jimmy deal was made. It's this season where the trade was supposed to bear fruit. Unfortunately, we are now mired in the kuminga dilemma.

We would then essentially waste another steph year. And jimmy becomes a FA.

Unless we bring back a former warrior to replace jk, the best chance for steph might be for jk to figure it. And im very pro trading kuminga.

But didn't it work with Jimmy? Nearly spectacularly, actually. The only reason they faltered is health: first Kuminga (never really got a chance to figure things out with Jimmy), then Steph, and finally Jimmy himself. Not to mention Podz and Moody both developing late-season injuries that really hurt their ability to shoot. But I think the move itself was very successful and Jimmy integrated himself very quickly.