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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#4021 » by Larry Ellison » Mon Oct 13, 2025 11:54 pm

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Larry Ellison wrote: I just want Kerr to find a path to showcasing JK for trade.


How do you propose to do that, which isn't already being done? They're literally giving him free reign on the 2nd unit. He is the no 1 option in those lineups and it hasn't looked good in the pre-season.

Good point. Maybe it is already being done, but it's early still. Kerr does not stick with his rotations. What I am envisioning is Kerr giving JK the opportunity and also JK stepping up and playing well. Neither is guaranteed. But it's our best case scenario to salvaging value from JK.

Onus wrote:I'm really not sure which quote you're referring to.

“I don’t ask [Kerr] about roles because I know what he is going to tell me ... I don’t waste my energy. I choose not to ask because nobody is going to tell me. It’s whatever."
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Post#4022 » by Larry Ellison » Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:01 am

wco81 wrote:Kings are trying to trade Devin Carter.

Also said to be interested in signing Westbrook.

So the team drafts Carter #13 last year and then sign Schroeder in free agency and now may be signing Westbrook. That says a lot about how they look at a FRP in just his second year.

Probably wouldn't be surprised if he's outright cut. May struggle to get minutes, which is a really bad sign for a FRP only in his second season.

Dumping the team's #13 pick (Devin Carter) after only one year in order to sign a 36 year old Westbrook to play backup point guard to Schroeder is dumb. Kings gonna King.
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Post#4023 » by Onus » Tue Oct 14, 2025 1:20 am

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Larry Ellison wrote: I just want Kerr to find a path to showcasing JK for trade.


How do you propose to do that, which isn't already being done? They're literally giving him free reign on the 2nd unit. He is the no 1 option in those lineups and it hasn't looked good in the pre-season.

Good point. Maybe it is already being done, but it's early still. Kerr does not stick with his rotations. What I am envisioning is Kerr giving JK the opportunity and also JK stepping up and playing well. Neither is guaranteed. But it's our best case scenario to salvaging value from JK.

Onus wrote:I'm really not sure which quote you're referring to.

“I don’t ask [Kerr] about roles because I know what he is going to tell me ... I don’t waste my energy. I choose not to ask because nobody is going to tell me. It’s whatever."

Odd quote when he clearly understands what has been and continues to be asked of him. Just seems like he’s pouting to the media because he signed the contract that was meant to be traded. Whatever he’s playing fine on the court for now so I don’t really care about what he’s says to the media until it bleeds into the season, which is why I continue to wonder how long Kerr will play lineups without Jimmy and Steph in the regular season. We’ll see how we start because we know Kerr has no problem changing rotations.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#4024 » by Larry Ellison » Tue Oct 14, 2025 1:42 am

Onus wrote:Just seems like he’s pouting to the media...

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Post#4025 » by Onus » Tue Oct 14, 2025 1:53 am

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wco81 wrote:Kings are trying to trade Devin Carter.

Also said to be interested in signing Westbrook.

So the team drafts Carter #13 last year and then sign Schroeder in free agency and now may be signing Westbrook. That says a lot about how they look at a FRP in just his second year.

Probably wouldn't be surprised if he's outright cut. May struggle to get minutes, which is a really bad sign for a FRP only in his second season.

Dumping the team's #13 pick (Devin Carter) after only one year in order to sign a 36 year old Westbrook to play backup point guard to Schroeder is dumb. Kings gonna King.

I wish there was a way to pick up Carter.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#4026 » by cdubbz » Tue Oct 14, 2025 2:14 am

:lol: wow 200+ pages...

Bulls receive: Kuminga
Warriors receive: Vucevic.

Both expiring contracts -- Bulls have no direction and might be enticed by a lengthy lineup of Giddey, Buzelis, Kuminga. I'd feel so much more confident in our bigs if Al Horford doesn't have to play every game and Vucevic and Post can hold it down during the season. Playoffs? Horford and Vucevic.
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Post#4027 » by bay2hk » Tue Oct 14, 2025 2:22 am

cdubbz wrote::lol: wow 200+ pages...

Bulls receive: Kuminga
Warriors receive: Vucevic.

Both expiring contracts -- Bulls have no direction and might be enticed by a lengthy lineup of Giddey, Buzelis, Kuminga. I'd feel so much more confident in our bigs if Al Horford doesn't have to play every game and Vucevic and Post can hold it down during the season. Playoffs? Horford and Vucevic.


Not a bad proposal. Have bulls throw in a few SRPs for the TO on JK and call it a deal.
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Post#4028 » by Twinkie defense » Tue Oct 14, 2025 2:53 am

Larry Ellison wrote:I want him to do both. Are the two goals incompatible? A JK trade that returns good value could help win a championship this year. I can envision a scenario where the Warriors are winning and playing at peak level and JK has a consistent 20-25 minute role. JK is the primary backup to both Jimmy and Dray. We need him. We are a better team with him playing and producing. I am still a non-believer in JK long-term, but between the coaching staff and vets on the team, there has got to be a way to get a good half-season out of JK. Then let another team take the long-term risk.

Kerr is trying to find the right combinations where JK can contribute to winning... I just think the goal is to try to get what you can from him to help you win games and not trying to develop or showcase him to maximize his trade value.

His trade value is probably what it is, and there's not much that could happen this season to impact his value much. He has four years of game tape.
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Post#4029 » by whatisacenter » Tue Oct 14, 2025 4:26 am

Trading for Vuc would be a mistake and more of a Kings kind of move....hell they are basically the Bulls West.
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Post#4030 » by The-Power » Tue Oct 14, 2025 8:58 am

Trading for Vuc does not make a ton of sense since we added Horford IMO. Horford will play the 5 (and most likely better than Vuc), Post is in some ways a lesser version of Vuc for a fraction of the cost who can soak up some minutes, and Dray at the 5 will still be key to unlocking some of our line-ups. TJD is there for end-of-bench depth. So I don't see how adding Vuc to the mix really helps us anymore.
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Post#4031 » by Onus » Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:43 pm

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whatisacenter wrote:I know I am one of JK's only fans here but I think he has looked pretty good so far this preseason and Kerr should be happy with his play to this point.

If he keeps moving the ball quickly and being decisive when he does attack by drawing help and finding the open man he will be a positive player.

His passing this preseason has been underrated IMO.

I agree that JK has played well and has been moving the ball. The turnovers though are insane, which kind of just offsets any good that he is doing by moving the ball. The 2nd unit without Jimmy or Steph has been terrible so far in the preseason, which is being led by JK and secondarily by Podz.

Yeah... if he wasn't trying to do anything differently, I'd say we were doomed. But it does look to me like he's trying to do different (better) things, and just not doing them very well yet. So now we get to see if he can improve in those areas.

TBH JK is playing the way we would want him to play, but the issue is that the way he gets his offense, unless JK becomes a midrange assassin, relentlessly attacks the rim while becoming a foul merchant it's not going to lead to great offense. His midrange shot this year isn't it so he has to relentlessly attack the rim while drawing fouls consistently for the team to get great offense for the team. He has Jimmy's blueprint but the refs don't call fouls for jk. I think Jimmy hangs in the air longer to draw contact and then shoots the ball, whereas JK feels contact and then flails? But the way Jimmy draws fouls is crazy.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#4032 » by Onus » Tue Oct 14, 2025 2:13 pm

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Larry Ellison wrote:I want him to do both. Are the two goals incompatible? A JK trade that returns good value could help win a championship this year. I can envision a scenario where the Warriors are winning and playing at peak level and JK has a consistent 20-25 minute role. JK is the primary backup to both Jimmy and Dray. We need him. We are a better team with him playing and producing. I am still a non-believer in JK long-term, but between the coaching staff and vets on the team, there has got to be a way to get a good half-season out of JK. Then let another team take the long-term risk.

Kerr is trying to find the right combinations where JK can contribute to winning... I just think the goal is to try to get what you can from him to help you win games and not trying to develop or showcase him to maximize his trade value.

His trade value is probably what it is, and there's not much that could happen this season to impact his value much. He has four years of game tape.

Really how much better are we expecting JK to be from what he showed in the Minnesota series? He avg 20+ on good efficiency against a really good defense with a rim protector and his trade value is what it is. The passing and moving the ball will help, but really it's being an impact defender that will make him much more valuable. But even then without a 3 point shot it's really hard for JK to fit around a star, which kind of limits his value. Like it doesn't really matter what Kerr does to showcase JK or up his value in some way. It's on JK to become a better basketball player. He has to be able to process what's going on around him on defense and then be able to react to it. There's no role that Kerr can put JK in to make him seem better than he is and artificially raise his trade value. JK putting up good stats in the playoffs didn't raise his trade value. It's the little things that teams are valuing. Can you be an impact defender, can you fit around our star player, how are you going to make our team better? Sure there are still some bad franchises out there that might be swayed by volume stats (Kings), but they are few and far but even they have a low trade value on him.

Like if JK was an elite defender like Toumani Camara, he'd be instantly more valuable. That's not something Kerr can just put him in a position to do, that's something JK has to do. Like if JK could shoot he'd be instantly more valuable but that's on JK to become a better spot up shooter. Kerr has constantly told him to be Shawn Marion to play defense, run the floor and get easy baskets let the offense flow, if he did that he'd be more valuable to us and he might have even gotten a contract he wanted. There was a 5 game stretch last year where things just clicked for JK on offense and he was thriving but then he got hurt and he reverted back to who he is. It's on JK to make things work or to raise his value as a player. JK is passing the ball well this preseason so he's trying to improve. Kerr is trying to showcase him by allowing him to play without jimmy or steph. So let's just give it a few games to see what it can look like.
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Post#4033 » by HiRez » Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:02 pm

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wco81 wrote:Kings are trying to trade Devin Carter.

Also said to be interested in signing Westbrook.

So the team drafts Carter #13 last year and then sign Schroeder in free agency and now may be signing Westbrook. That says a lot about how they look at a FRP in just his second year.

Probably wouldn't be surprised if he's outright cut. May struggle to get minutes, which is a really bad sign for a FRP only in his second season.

Dumping the team's #13 pick (Devin Carter) after only one year in order to sign a 36 year old Westbrook to play backup point guard to Schroeder is dumb. Kings gonna King.

Yeah but you just know Schroder and Westbrook are gonna torch us in the 4 games they play.
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Post#4034 » by Larry Ellison » Tue Oct 14, 2025 7:36 pm

300 pages by January 15! LFG
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Post#4035 » by vvoland » Tue Oct 14, 2025 10:31 pm

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Onus wrote:I agree that JK has played well and has been moving the ball. The turnovers though are insane, which kind of just offsets any good that he is doing by moving the ball. The 2nd unit without Jimmy or Steph has been terrible so far in the preseason, which is being led by JK and secondarily by Podz.

Yeah... if he wasn't trying to do anything differently, I'd say we were doomed. But it does look to me like he's trying to do different (better) things, and just not doing them very well yet. So now we get to see if he can improve in those areas.

TBH JK is playing the way we would want him to play, but the issue is that the way he gets his offense, unless JK becomes a midrange assassin, relentlessly attacks the rim while becoming a foul merchant it's not going to lead to great offense. His midrange shot this year isn't it so he has to relentlessly attack the rim while drawing fouls consistently for the team to get great offense for the team. He has Jimmy's blueprint but the refs don't call fouls for jk. I think Jimmy hangs in the air longer to draw contact and then shoots the ball, whereas JK feels contact and then flails? But the way Jimmy draws fouls is crazy.


JK has the best FT rate of anyone on the team not named Jimmy. What are you talking about? Jimmy FTr is like 65%, both an indication of how good he is at drawing fouls and how little he shoots. Of all the things to nitpick about JK's game, getting to the line is one of the few things he does at an elite level.
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Post#4036 » by Onus » Tue Oct 14, 2025 10:47 pm

vvoland wrote:
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Chris Porter's Hair wrote:Yeah... if he wasn't trying to do anything differently, I'd say we were doomed. But it does look to me like he's trying to do different (better) things, and just not doing them very well yet. So now we get to see if he can improve in those areas.

TBH JK is playing the way we would want him to play, but the issue is that the way he gets his offense, unless JK becomes a midrange assassin, relentlessly attacks the rim while becoming a foul merchant it's not going to lead to great offense. His midrange shot this year isn't it so he has to relentlessly attack the rim while drawing fouls consistently for the team to get great offense for the team. He has Jimmy's blueprint but the refs don't call fouls for jk. I think Jimmy hangs in the air longer to draw contact and then shoots the ball, whereas JK feels contact and then flails? But the way Jimmy draws fouls is crazy.


JK has the best FT rate of anyone on the team not named Jimmy. What are you talking about? Jimmy FTr is like 65%, both an indication of how good he is at drawing fouls and how little he shoots. Of all the things to nitpick about JK's game, getting to the line is one of the few things he does at an elite level.

Jimmy does it at an elite level. Jk has 4 fta in 3 games. There’s nothing elite about that.

If jk got to the line like SGA or Jimmy he probably could be a no 1 option.
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Post#4037 » by vvoland » Wed Oct 15, 2025 1:01 am

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Onus wrote:TBH JK is playing the way we would want him to play, but the issue is that the way he gets his offense, unless JK becomes a midrange assassin, relentlessly attacks the rim while becoming a foul merchant it's not going to lead to great offense. His midrange shot this year isn't it so he has to relentlessly attack the rim while drawing fouls consistently for the team to get great offense for the team. He has Jimmy's blueprint but the refs don't call fouls for jk. I think Jimmy hangs in the air longer to draw contact and then shoots the ball, whereas JK feels contact and then flails? But the way Jimmy draws fouls is crazy.


JK has the best FT rate of anyone on the team not named Jimmy. What are you talking about? Jimmy FTr is like 65%, both an indication of how good he is at drawing fouls and how little he shoots. Of all the things to nitpick about JK's game, getting to the line is one of the few things he does at an elite level.

Jimmy does it at an elite level. Jk has 4 fta in 3 games. There’s nothing elite about that.

If jk got to the line like SGA or Jimmy he probably could be a no 1 option.


I'm too lazy to look it up now but, JK's regular season free throw rate was ~40% . That's an elite number, similar to sga. Jimmy has been over 60% and is in another stratosphere. It's a metric that calculates fta as a % of fga, so Jimmy shooting so little from the field and getting to the line as often as he does really warps that stat. JB is a truly unique player.

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Post#4038 » by whatisacenter » Wed Oct 15, 2025 1:43 am

vvoland wrote:
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JK has the best FT rate of anyone on the team not named Jimmy. What are you talking about? Jimmy FTr is like 65%, both an indication of how good he is at drawing fouls and how little he shoots. Of all the things to nitpick about JK's game, getting to the line is one of the few things he does at an elite level.

Jimmy does it at an elite level. Jk has 4 fta in 3 games. There’s nothing elite about that.

If jk got to the line like SGA or Jimmy he probably could be a no 1 option.


I'm too lazy to look it up now but, JK's regular season free throw rate was ~40% . That's an elite number, similar to sga. Jimmy has been over 60% and is in another stratosphere. It's a metric that calculates fta as a % of fga, so Jimmy shooting so little from the field and getting to the line as often as he does really warps that stat. JB is a truly unique player.

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vvoland wrote:
Onus wrote:Jimmy does it at an elite level. Jk has 4 fta in 3 games. There’s nothing elite about that.

If jk got to the line like SGA or Jimmy he probably could be a no 1 option.


I'm too lazy to look it up now but, JK's regular season free throw rate was ~40% . That's an elite number, similar to sga. Jimmy has been over 60% and is in another stratosphere. It's a metric that calculates fta as a % of fga, so Jimmy shooting so little from the field and getting to the line as often as he does really warps that stat. JB is a truly unique player.

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vvoland wrote:
I'm too lazy to look it up now but, JK's regular season free throw rate was ~40% . That's an elite number, similar to sga. Jimmy has been over 60% and is in another stratosphere. It's a metric that calculates fta as a % of fga, so Jimmy shooting so little from the field and getting to the line as often as he does really warps that stat. JB is a truly unique player.

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