Andris Biedrins interview (need help translating)

[TB]

i think its only fair to take a stance somewhere between what nick thinks, and what LF thinks. Meaning, I want to think that POB is the real deal, and what ive seen in short minutes is a good sign of what he can bring. Yet, i also want to assume nellie and his assistants that watch him play everyday know that he sucks.

that being said, we need POB to get a run of minutes to see who is actually right. Until that happens, all this pointless arguing is going to happen. As of right now, POB is as good as a projected draft pick.. we just dont know what he can do.

[FNQ]

At least Fuller, who was a 6'10 slow footed white guy (an even slower version of Murphy) and a lottery pick got a chance to play (even though he didn't amount to much).

Comparing players that have nothing to do with anything is the most used argument on the PC board...

Saying POB doesn't have a future is just plain stupid... it really is... all this proves is that POB might not be a good fit for what Nellie wants to do.. so we sacrifice this potential future asset so Nellie can feel more comfortable the next 4 months or 16 months he's here...

In Nellie's offense, players who would normally be in the D-leagues and waiver wires are relevant, while players who would be developed on other teams are ignored in favor of those players... saying that he sucks because of that is just cherry-picking what you want to from Nellie...

Here's hoping Maui is really, really enticing this summer

[TB]

[quote="510Reggae"][/quote]

to be fair, these so called D-leaguers are Watson, a backup PG that was picked up when our then backup pg got injured; and Azu, who has been more than serviceable. Watson and azu have both developed greatly in the Dleague. Why didnt POB become a beast like they did while he was in the D-league??

I agree with the argument, i'm just attempting to take a different angle on this one.

[St.Nick]

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Comparing players that have nothing to do with anything is the most used argument on the PC board...

It was a comparison of 7 foot lotto picks that are both complete busts. One was lambasted, the other one is treated like a pariah. Neither of them ever did anything good in a Warriors uniform.

Saying POB doesn't have a future is just plain stupid... it really is... all this proves is that POB might not be a good fit for what Nellie wants to do.. so we sacrifice this potential future asset so Nellie can feel more comfortable the next 4 months or 16 months he's here...

Maybe he'll be a great center somewhere else (I doubt it) but if he doesn't contribute to our success here then why should we play him? Just bc fans want to see what Nellie sees every day in practice? Nitpicking a coach who is winning 62% of his games over a raw center that has earned jack is simply a petty thing to do. It reeks of a dirty agenda.

In Nellie's offense, players who would normally be in the D-leagues and waiver wires are relevant, while players who would be developed on other teams are ignored in favor of those players... saying that he sucks because of that is just cherry-picking what you want to from Nellie...

Let me restate:

Nellie's way= 62% wins.
Monty/Cowens/Winters/Carleisimo/St.Jean/Musselman/Adelman= 33% wins

If he says that POB sucks for this team, I will take him at his word. Sorry that I'm not listening to your theories about how great he should be and how Nellie has screwed him from achieving his wonderful potential.

[FNQ]

Its a guards league... have you ever watched a game of DLeague ball? Its an open tryout really..

Buke has not been more than servicable... its barely arguable that he's been even close to servicable

Regardless of situation, Nellie looked outside the organization into a league of scrubs to find people to log heavy minutes.

As for POB, hard to score when you don't get the ball, and he was rebounding and blocking shots well... a lot of post players dont do well, its just a skills-showing-off session for the undersized G trying to get a contract... I'd be willing to bet our team is the only even near playoff team with 2 former D-Leaguers on the roster and always on the active list...

[St.Nick]

I'd be willing to bet our team is the only even near playoff team with 2 former D-Leaguers on the roster and always on the active list...

This could be considered a compliment towards Nellie and his system.

[Twinkie defense]

This is what Ive got so far from one translator... Belinelli isnt playing because of a lack of quickness and defense...He's never worked out before in a gym.

No, no, no . . . we learned this weekend, He's just like Chris Mullin. That must be a translator error.

Sleepy, I thought you were saying Beli wasn't playing because he couldn't shoot? Quickness and defense are another matter, and I don't think anyone has been saying Beli is quick or a good defender.

Just cut the kid...There's no reason at all to still have him on the roster.

In the words of Terrell Owens' publicist, I can think of 2.3 million reasons for Patrick to remain on the roster.

If POB doesn't ever do anything elsewhere in the league, is Nellie vindicated?

Of course. How could he not be?

Exhibit A: Ike Diogu

ButtlessChaps.

Are there actually chaps with a butt?

Personally, if I was Mully, I might've cut Patrick immediately following his worst-seventy-second-in-NBA-history showing, 2.3 mil be damned. But that's just me.

[St.Nick]

No, no, no . . . we learned this weekend, He's just like Chris Mullin. That must be a translator error.

Oh, I didn't see this one earlier.

Who said he was just like Chris Mullin? I simply pointed out that Mully couldn't hit a 3 and couldn't rebound his rookie year, then became a great player in time (despite his lack of quickness and defensive prowess).

Just a little reference for people that like to write off Belinelli bc he is lacking in the same skills as a rookie.

[Sleepy51]

Sleepy, I thought you were saying Beli wasn't playing because he couldn't shoot? Quickness and defense are another matter, and I don't think anyone has been saying Beli is quick or a good defender.

That was kind of my whole point. He doesn't defend or rebound well enough to get by on what amounts to iffy streak shooting. If he were a pure shooter, if he disciplined his game to get away from the fadeaways and had a consistent release (as you yourself pointed out?) his defense would be as irrelevant as it is for most of our other guards.

My whole position in that thread was that Belli ain't no "sniper" or "sharpshooter." He is not the quality of shooter who can succeed in the league as a one tool player (which is all he has shown in SL, pre season and his limited minutes.) What Dre has said only confirms exactly what I was saying. He has to become a complete player because he IS NOT qualified as a 3ball specialist as advertised.

[Mylie10]

There's been one instance where POB has absolutely sucked. The 70 second stinit against the Lakers. He wasn't ready and to be honest Nellie set him up in the game. But the kid should have been ready.

But Alot of us have seen things that the kid does that are a positive to the team.

Length is needed.

Rebounding is needed.

Post play is needed.

For the Haters to say that the guy sucks, means they don't have a clue what they're seeing.

It's totally possible that Nellie would not play a guy based on something personal. Nellie can hold a grudge, just ask Mark Cuban. It's not a conspiracy theory to think that an old coach who is not in developement mode would hold certain guys out based on character traits.

The REAL issue is when you have players, you need to give them ample time on the floor in games to truly evaluate. He hasn't been given that very often and when he did he played well.

As for his stint in the D-League, he started slow and then played very well. check the game logs if you can find them.

He owned Bynum in the preseason. It seems to me that if you have a guy that holds his own against the future of the Lakers, then you might want to find a way to develope the kid.

But that's just me.

To think that Nellie is incapable of holding a grudge against someone is more of a conspiracy theory.

Skippy!

[turk3d]

After a very slow start in D league, he wound up either tied for 1st in rebounds (or a close second) and tops in average blocks per minutes played if I'm not mistaken (to go along with his strong showing this spring) which is what "forced" Nellie to bring him up last year.

Let's not have any POB revisitionist history please

[warriortone]

Just to throw fuel on this fire, I heard from a friend who knows a W's employee that Nellie occassionally refers to POB as "fool's gold" to his face and POB is one of the softest individuals on the planet.

That said, I think it is hilarious that we a sweating the minutes of a so far do nothing center on a 32-20 team. That's laughable, man...

[ButtlessChaps]

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Are there actually chaps with a butt?

I don't think so, but I was having trouble finding another word that I could put "Buttless" or "A$$less" in front of... if they were smart, they would use the material they cut out from the chaps to make hot pants or something...

but who's to say they don't....

[Twinkie defense]

The REAL issue is when you have players, you need to give them ample time on the floor in games to truly evaluate. He hasn't been given that very often...

That's a valid point of view. I don't necessarily agree with it, because I think players have to do a lot off the game floor before they can earn the right to play on the game floor. But it's a valid opinion.

To think that Nellie is incapable of holding a grudge against someone is more of a conspiracy theory.

But here is where I don't buy the "Nellie hates POB" stuff...

Maybe he does hate POB's game, BBall IQ, or effort - but I don't get why people think Nellie hates Patrick, the person, or that he'd want to put him down for some nefarious reasons, instead of the more simple explanation that he just doesn't think (whether he's right or wrong) that Patrick is going to help him win games.

It seems like basically what you're saying is Patrick isn't playing (while you and some others think he should be), and therefore Nellie hates Patrick. But there are a lot of other guys not playing, for instance Wright, Belinelli, and Kosta. Does he hate them, too?

Certainly Nellie has high expectations, is frank and outspoken, and can be hard on players, especially young players, who by definition have the most they need to learn. Guys have been feeling that for years, from Tom Tolbert to Al and Monta.

So what is it that's special about Patrick's so-called bad treatment? Can anyone point to a single really bad thing Nellie has said about or done to Patrick, other than not give him PT? Aren't you POB fans really just taking your own crashed hopes and projecting them on Nellie so that the only logical explanation is - forget the extra wins he could bring - that Nellie has some personal grudge against Patrick?

[turk3d]

Nellie's just an a$$hole, plain and simple. I'm sure if you asked him that, he'd agree.

[Mylie10]

[quote="jrhester"][/quote]

Thanks for the tempered response Hester.

I'm putting Beans thoughts, "Nellie's doghouse" with him also stating that Patricks working hard in practice. Then he says that once your in it's hard to get out.

To me that, also lumped with him playing well and then immediately getting forgotten, leans towards theirs something that Nellie really doesn't like about the person.

But you could be right that Nellie just can't stand to watch him on the floor.

whatever it is, I'd really like Nellie or Mullin to clearly speak to it.