Baron Davis SNUBBED

Post #301 » by **floppymoose** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:27 pm

ROWELL wrote:And you'd have folks saying Baron Davis, who cannot even lead his team to beat Atlanta without Biedrins/Jackson, was a poor choice over D.Williams and Ginobli.

meh. You can make that kind of argument about every guard in the league. Manu couldn't lead his team to a victory over the Warriors even WITH Duncan, etc etc.

Chris Cohan · Post #302 » by **Chris Cohan** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:30 pm

floppymoose wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

meh. You can make that kind of argument about every guard in the league. Manu couldn't lead his team to a victory over the Warriors even WITH Duncan, etc etc.

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Golden State of Mind · Post #303 » by **Golden State of Mind** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:33 pm

uh, if you haven't noticed portland is quickly heading toward .500 and we're 11 over

Post #304 » by **Hopper15** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:34 pm

Post #305 » by **floppymoose** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:37 pm

Chris Cohan · Post #306 » by **Chris Cohan** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:55 pm

I think I'm baiting all the usual responses here, not the other way around. And since this seems to be of interest, let's rehash.

Roy starred in the All Star game. Boo hoo. Starring in the All Star game = All Star.

Baron wasn't chosen this year for WHATEVER reason but he WAS chosen when he was in his THIRD year. Roy being a sophomore doesn't seem like a reasonable counter in the argument that, essentially, Baron should get in because he's old (and on his last chance).

Portland is being rewarded now, in part, for making a series of big decisions and adjustments that position it to be a serious contender for years to come and conform to the Stern agenda. Paul Allen pumps money into the league. Chris Cohan, historically, sucks money out of it and has made millions off of a roughly 15 year hole in the league.

Camby, Williams, Josh Howard, and Ginobli all got snubbed in a tough year. Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony STARTED from a team that is fighting the Warriors for the last playoff spot. Complain about the fans, not Roy and the coaches.

So it goes.

Post #307 » by **Sleepy51** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:20 pm

ROWELL wrote:I think Baron could have put on a very good show, yes.

But he didn't. Roy did. Williams was great in the skills contest and is now clearly getting more of substance done. Same for Ginobli.

At the season's end, the league will look like geniuses for prefiguring all of this when their voting deadline came up. Baron will need all of the revisionist apologists (like Sleepy) he can muster.

I'm not seeing an opt out likely.

What did I do?

Mylie10 · Post #308 » by **Mylie10** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:58 pm

You brought up Roy, not the other way around.

I brought up politics, and that IS the main reason that Baron didn't make it.

Next!

Thugleavy34 · Post #309 » by **Thugleavy34** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:45 pm

I don't know, I get the sense that not including Roy because he's only a 2nd year player would be "politics" as well, so I'm glad that didn't happen. I'd rather have Roy in the game because there were enough PGs already. Yes, Baron can play the 2, but he's a PG. I don't like the whole G/F set up with the voting, and wish the ballots would have each of the 5 different positions. They exist for a reason.

aznkillabeezZz · Post #310 » by **aznkillabeezZz** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:56 pm

i have no idea why baron wasn't chosen ahead of Roy. He definitely deserves it . Especially after what he did in the playoffs last season. And they still forget about him? Then it has to come down to his image. For me, I don't like it when he complains and dogs on the refs after every call against him. But i doubt its cause of that.

Thugleavy34 · Post #311 » by **Thugleavy34** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:00 pm

Last season's payoffs have nothing to do with this year, though. Seems to me that would be on the basis of "politics" as well.

Post #312 » by **Hopper15** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:55 pm

You guys are arguing the wrong guy. It's West you should be arguing.

GswStorm3 · Post #313 » by **GswStorm3** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:23 am

I can't believe people are still discussing this. Move on it's over.

Mylie10 · Post #314 » by **Mylie10** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:11 am

Hopper15 wrote:You guys are arguing the wrong guy. It's West you should be arguing.

Yeah true, but West is a big hence you'd have to argue Camby or JoHoward against West.

Baron got dissed based on politics. If Roy didn't get in because of Baron making it, would people saying that Roy deserved it over Baron? Yes. but not as much.

To me Deron Williams has a bigger argument for than roy.

Roy got in based on a strong first half. Well Baron had a strong first half. Baron erased the injury reason and also the winning team issue. Add to that the Warriors haven't been represented since Sprewell and you have a major snub.

If Roy wouldn't have made it you could look at age and numbers as a reason for him not getting in THIS YEAR. The only way Roy wouldn't make a future team would be if he had a really damaging injury or the Trailblazers were absolutely horrible in years to come. I doubt either of those things happen.

when it's between a young guy versus an older guy, usually the older guy gets the respectful nod. This year the cards were stacked against him based on the location and the coach. There's your reason.

Roy's deserving, but Baron had the better resume.

Twinkie defense · Post #315 » by **Twinkie defense** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:15 am

I don't care how well Roy did in the All-Star game, leaving Baron (and every other Warrior) out of the All-Star festivities was a major disrespect, and most people who talk about this sort of thing across the country agree. I just hope everyone responsible feels the wrath when their time comes - Hornets in the playoffs?