GS a destination?

[Chris Cohan]

No question talentwise.
It would be a one hit wonder of Baron, Marion, and Nellie, and it would probably be a decent shot at the Conference Final as long as everyone stayed healthy.

As long as everyone understood that it was all over as soon as the 09 harvest, no problem. They'd all be set for life on their multi-year obscenities as they decline after 30/70 for some other sucker.

Monta, Wright, and Biedrins plus $20-30 million in cap space to sign for 09 and onward?

No problem.

[FNQ]

The real Shawn Marion has stood up in Miami...

With PHX: 15.8 PPG, 52.6% FG, 34.7% 3pt, 9.9 REB (1.8 OREB), 2.1 apg, 1.0 topg, 2.0 spg, 1.5 bpg, 36 mpg

With MIA: 14.7 PPG, 46.3% FG, 26.7% 3pt, 11.1 REB (2.9 OREB), 2.5 apg, 2.1 topg, 1.9 spg, 0.9 bpg, 38 mpg

Do we run more like PHX or like MIA? The answer is MIA... PHX has ball dominators. Nash usually has the ball in his hands, if not him, than Barbosa. MIA is running like a chicken with its head cut off - streetball. Multiple ball handlers, create your own shot.

The MIA version is what we're more likely to get, but without the exceptional offensive rebounding. He gets an inordinate amount of chances for OREBs since MIA can't make a damn shot. His turnovers are doubled, his %s are way down, and without a strong interior presence his ability to block shots means nil.

Add in his "I should be the star" attitude and that guy can stay far the hell away from us.

[Chris Cohan]

The real Shawn Marion has stood up in Miami...

With PHX: 15.8 PPG, 52.6% FG, 34.7% 3pt, 9.9 REB (1.8 OREB), 2.1 apg, 1.0 topg, 2.0 spg, 1.5 bpg, 36 mpg

With MIA: 14.7 PPG, 46.3% FG, 26.7% 3pt, 11.1 REB (2.9 OREB), 2.5 apg, 2.1 topg, 1.9 spg, 0.9 bpg, 38 mpg

Do we run more like PHX or like MIA? The answer is MIA... PHX has ball dominators. Nash usually has the ball in his hands, if not him, than Barbosa. MIA is running like a chicken with its head cut off - streetball. Multiple ball handlers, create your own shot.

The MIA version is what we're more likely to get, but without the exceptional offensive rebounding. He gets an inordinate amount of chances for OREBs since MIA can't make a damn shot. His turnovers are doubled, his %s are way down, and without a strong interior presence his ability to block shots means nil.

Add in his "I should be the star" attitude and that guy can stay far the hell away from us.

Your response avoids the points I care most about. Entirely.

1. Expiring contract instead of Al's $10 million to be average at best as a PF and in Wright's way at worst come 09.
2. BETTER than Al, Pietrus, and/or Barnes on both sides of the ball.
3. I doubt his and Baron's egos could co-exist.
4. I doubt there is any chance of us getting Marion.

But you've also decided to call Nash ball dominant but not Baron when what you mean is, Marion functioned in a functional offensive model. Nothing in Miami either functions or is designed to function right now. I wouldn't be surprised to see them keep him but I would be surprised to see anything go right in Miami until the lottery balls have fallen. But the Warriors' offense is not the problem. Were you to discuss defense, I'd think you were on the way to making cogent observations about Marion's future productivity.

Meanwhile, I've seen his game plenty and if you're saying he's not good, you're not making any sense. If you're saying he's a huge prick, that's different. I don't know. I know who is for us and I know which egos would be at stake. Two would be leaving in this impossible proposed deal and the remaining dominant parties would be upset to lose Al for a guy who thinks he should be #2 at the worst while never "summering" in Vegas with them. There's no hope of the family sticking together beyond next season anyway and Barnes would have to go immediately if the Marion bomb were to be dropped on Baron's Happy Home. I have no reason to think they'd be professional about it. They've rarely been professional in their respective careers. But the PR Campaign rolls along until the contracts expire.

So if all you have to say is that a Miami player is not producing right now and the Warriors' chemistry would suffer for the final year of Baron's tenure, you're not saying much.

The expiring contract, again, is what interests me most.

[FNQ]

Marion's value and perceived value are the result of being on a team that basically spoonfed him #s and the fact that he's a top 5 choice in fantasy basketball. I could care less why you personally want him or don't... I'm pointing out that Marion's become a vastly overrated player and in addition to that, a potential malcontent... if you'd like I can go into 9 or 10 paragraphs why I think so, but oddly enough bud, I wasn't just speaking to you

And yes, a functional offensive model.. we don't have one either... Baron's not creating shots for us every time down. Tay creates for himself, Jax creates for himself... whereas PHX tends to give the ball to Nash and let him find something, a lot more often than we do. And that plays directly into Marion's strengths - wide open shooting with an option to slash.

BTW, wasnt trying to take away from your point of trading for ECs... just that this particular player does not interest me at all, I'd much rather trade for a scrub on a EC (Jarron Collins? Stromile Swift?) than someone who could be as potentially volatile and such a poor fit.

[Chris Cohan]

Marion's value and perceived value are the result of being on a team that basically spoonfed him #s and the fact that he's a top 5 choice in fantasy basketball. I could care less why you personally want him or don't... I'm pointing out that Marion's become a vastly overrated player and in addition to that, a potential malcontent... if you'd like I can go into 9 or 10 paragraphs why I think so, but oddly enough bud, I wasn't just speaking to you

And yes, a functional offensive model.. we don't have one either... Baron's not creating shots for us every time down. Tay creates for himself, Jax creates for himself... whereas PHX tends to give the ball to Nash and let him find something, a lot more often than we do. And that plays directly into Marion's strengths - wide open shooting with an option to slash.

BTW, wasnt trying to take away from your point of trading for ECs... just that this particular player does not interest me at all, I'd much rather trade for a scrub on a EC (Jarron Collins? Stromile Swift?) than someone who could be as potentially volatile and such a poor fit.

Marion is more than a product of a system.

If anything, Stephen Jackson has been the glaring product of Nelson's system and a seemingly fading one, at that, besides the copious three hoisting and hitting. Marion has a clear advantage of athleticism over Jackson and Marion over Harrington in terms of contribution to team play is simply no contest. Marion's talent for Harrington's longer and larger total cash commitment and Pietrus' dumb a$$,for example, is the sort of dumb homer trade proposal that simply won't happen. Miami can get a higher draft pick out of it, for starters.

I couldn't care less about his effect upon the team since I'd only want him as a Warrior if it meant cap room the year after when Nellie and Baron are gone. And since there will be issues with whomever Harrington is traded for if there are to be issues with anyone, the chemistry concerns about a standard NBA Max Attitude are moot.

He would thrive under Nelson and anyone who says otherwise is a silly ninny. So there.

[turk3d]

What Marion would do is give us a defensive presence at the 4 position (which is something we haven't had for the past two years under Nellie) who would fit in perfectly under Nellie's system (he's even undersized which is an "added" bonus). Plus he can run, score and even is proficient behind the arc. I think Nellie would "kill" for a player of his caliber and I believe the same holds for Marion in Golden State (would include the added benefit for him of being able to "get even" with the Suns).

As for he and Baron, what do you think the two were talking about for so long at the end of the Suns game?

[Twinkie defense]

"Out of all the teams in the league, I like to watch that team play," Nuggets center Marcus Camby said. "I like the style Nellie plays, I like the small ball. Those guys play a lot of up-and-down basketball, and it's fun to play that way."

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_8587968

How good would Camby look on the Dubs?

[Subaculta]

How good would Camby look on the Dubs?

he's apparently already drinking the kool aid, so he would probably fit in just fine.

[floppymoose]

I hear he's been working on his 3ball.

[old rem]

A beat up All Star Mark Price is one of the only free agents I ever remember comming to Golden State.

GS in not a title contender

The Hall of Fame Coach Nelson is not here for the long haul.

These are all reasons why I doubt a player chooses GS unless signed and traded.

We also got an over the hill Jerome Kersey. Mostly it seems to be about Cohen having a recent money pinch. We are letting cost effective FA's exit or at least have plenty of chance to escape. I doubt we go bidding more to get less,and we ain't close to having the cap room to sign anyone major.

If in a couple years we let Baron-Jax-Harrington walk...we can spend on.....something. Will we be better off? Will we get in a bidding war and desperately overpay to justify letting half the team walk off while we waste our drafts? It happens. Look at the Knicks. You need to be flexible but that has to include not going out on the opposite limb.

Cal Taxes? Still seems people come here and not to Minneapolis or Detroit or Cleveland. The higher housing cost is perhaps a bigger factor-but then if your income is $5 mill or more...WTF...you go where you feel good because you can afford to.