Hire Avery, Dump Nellie

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[Abyss Impact]

How about Avery Johnson becoming our backup PG? Since we are lacking depth in that position... At least he'll be better than Hudson and Watson...

[uweblab]

I'm all for bringing in Avery Johnson. Johnson is most likely better then anything we can hire next year if we bring back Nellie for one last year.

Nelson loves Avery....
he could be assistant or take over from Nellie during the season, just like in Dallas.
With his help we can trade for Dirk & Bass!

[turk3d]

Actually this could be a distinct possibility. Nellie would like nothing better than to give Cuban the old shafteroo once again. Not too sure it would make Keith Smart too happy though.

edit: We could make Avery our defensive coach (then we'd have some defense next year maybe). lol.

[-bob-]

Let's hire Avery and D'Antoni to be assistant coaches.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Since W's picked up Nellie's option, they cannot fire him. He can refuse to serve, but the option is picked up & he must be paid unless HE quits.

He's got W's over a barrel & is loving every minute of it

[FNQ]

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I don't even know how you're even a Forum Mod.

Does it say forum mod, genius?

It's funny... been right all season, (and no bandwagon, they didn't collapse because they went away from smallball - they weren't playing well and Kerr knows the gimmick garbage is exactly that) and still people don't get it... smallball is a gimmick win... even the Suns, who were the best equipped smallball team I've ever seen, couldn't take it down... yet this forum hosts a specific hopeful sect of fans that think somehow their squad is different... that Baron's a leader (:rofl:) ... that Kidd isn't any good...

Cohan's leading ya'll around by the nose... the guy didn't stumble into millions, he's a shrewd cat... he'll gladly take Nellie's option for the abundance of money being brought in by the suckers for the gimmick... Cuban never had a clue what was going on... Kerr saw exactly why Colangelo bailed and tried to rectify it on the fly (still could if D'Antoni leaves or understands that the gimmick is over)... the sad thing is, of those teams wrecked by the gimmick, the W's can still recover... 3 extremely efficient and athletic players waiting in the wings...

Nuggets and Mavs are completely screwed though... no present, no future... Nuggs might be smart enough to try and deal AI (probably not Melo) but the Mavs are likely to jog in place for a while... Cuban's as stubborn and refuses to believe the obvious... I wonder if he posts here?

[Twinkie defense]

Since W's picked up Nellie's option, they cannot fire him.

Cohan could fire Nellie tomorrow. He'd just have to pay him the $5 mil (or whatever it is) he owes him.

[Left*My*Heart]

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That was Nellie who traded for Damp and it was Cuban (under Nellie) who traded Nash as well. Avery had nothing to do with trading Nash or picking up Damp.

Actually Avery sold the Mavs on Dampier and told them he could keep him motivated.

Nash was not traded....

[Mully rules]

I'd rather have Avery than Nellie. At least he's using centers. The reason why Dallas f***ed up is because Cuban had to get a superstar to draw even with LA and Phoenix. Never change a winning team! And Avery still did the best he could with the new team.

[turk3d]

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Actually Avery sold the Mavs on Dampier and told them he could keep him motivated.

Nash was not traded....

Who did he sell him to? Cohan or Nellie? I doubt that when Avery came over he had a direct line to Cohan. If he sold him to anyone, then it would have had to have been Nellie. Perhaps when asked, Avery said he believed he could motivate him. I've never seen any love lost between Avery and damp since he's been the coach there (never hesitated to bench him when Damp wasn't producing).

BTW, who got the best of that trade? Damp's still there. Who do we still have left from that trade? We got 2 draft picks, at least one of them was conditional, did we actually get any of them?

Nash was let go by Dallas to Phoenix while Nellie was the coach (probably Cuban driven). I wasn't the one who mentioned Nash, just responding. And yes you are right, Nash wasn't traded, he was let go to sign with Phoenix (which is worse imo). They didn't get anything in return for him.

I'd be too nervous with Avery...This is the same guy who talked Cuban into letting Nash go and signing Erika Dumpier to a 70 million contract.

[Mylie10]

Nelson was pissed when they didn't bring Nash back.

It was the proverbial straw that broke the Camels back.

He mentioned this on the Ralph and Tom show. He would have never got rid of Stevie. It was all Cuban.

[warriortone]

... Kerr saw exactly why Colangelo bailed and tried to rectify it on the fly (still could if D'Antoni leaves or understands that the gimmick is over)

Point of clarification...Colangelo (I'm assuming you are talking about the son and not the father) left because of a difference in philosophy with Robert Sarver, the owner. Elder Colangelo was grooming his son to take over his position and Sarver wanted to go in a different direction leading to the Raptors job for the son. It had nothing to do with "bailing" on a certain type of play style. BTW, I agree with you that small ball is a joke and will NEVER win a championship.

[St.Nick]

Over the past 20 years any team without a HOF big man or Michael Jordan has been incredibly unlikely to ever win a championship. Small ball is besides the point.

[turk3d]

Nelson was pissed when they didn't bring Nash back.

It was the proverbial straw that broke the Camels back.

He mentioned this on the Ralph and Tom show. He would have never got rid of Stevie. It was all Cuban.

Besides being the "King" of the drama queens, Nellie is probably one of the "best ever" at shifting blame from himself elsewhere and could probably get a job as a "Political Spin Doctor" after he retires from basketball. However, you are probably right that he didn't want to lose Nash, but I think you just always need to take what "Nellie says" with a grain of salt. The reason I believe this one is true because I don't I have ever seen him "unwilling" to spend an owners money (and not get great satisfaction).

[Twinkie defense]

Damp does not seem like a Nellie kind of player to me - for one, hands of stone. Doubt that Avery had the sway to get Damp on his own, though if Cuban is inclined to get him - which I think he probably was... big body to counter Shaq - then Avery could have helped encourage him.

As to who got the better end of the transaction... given the amount of money they're paying Damp and the production he brings, it's hard for me to argue that Dallas "won" that one. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make (that is, re-signing Damp). Dallas is WAY over the lux tax threshold (I think, second highest salary payout in the League, after NY... and a first-round exit to show for it), and Damp is no small part of that.

[Left*My*Heart]

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Avery sold Damp to Cuban and company. Nellie was not part of that decision; Nellie and Cuban were already fighting and the writing was on the wall.

Avery tried several things to motivate Damp for not producing. He benched him, he had him come off he bench etc.

This isn't insider info, there was an article in the dallas morning news regarding the Mavs interest in Damp and how Avery was backing the decision.

[-bob-]

yeah, thats old news. except to Turk I guess.

[turk3d]

I guess not. The way I remember it, I remember Nellie saying how he wanted Damp because they didn't have any size at the time (and Damp was one of the few legitimate Centers available) and they wanted to go big. He didn't say anything about Avery being the one who was responsible for it. Oh, but that's right, I forgot, you can't believe anything that Nellie says anyways.

What I can't believe is how a scrub coming over from the Warriors to be 1 of the 10 coaches under Nellie's employ (and the junior one at that) would have the influence to nail down a major acquisition like Damp at the time. But again, I don't think I've ever heard Nellie take the blame for anything. What seems more realistic is that since Avery was on the team at the time, it is likely that he was aware of Damp's situation at the time, that he was going to be a FA and was looking to go to a better team, and he simply informed Nellie (who informed Cuban).

Whether it was more Cuban than Nellie, the decision was to go big that coming season and so they took a flyer on Damp who probably was coming off his best season ever (remember second only to Shaq, lol) so I don't really see how Avery could have had that much influence, regardless of what some of the reporters might say.

New news, old news, I just can't buy that. Don't worry, I'm not serious about Avery taking over for the old drunk (no offense to anyone out there who may imbibe on occasion ), I realize that it's not realistic.

[Sid the Squid]

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