GSW/UTA/NJN

[Subaculta]

If you are trying to credit Mullin for anything, just stop... he inked Dunleavy/Murphy/Jrich/Foyle/Fisher...

Don't get catty man... there's no need to start forcing a "Nellie turned this around" argument with me, because we're in the same spot Musselhead brought us to as well - close but not in the playoffs.

Crediting Mullin with anything except an excellent 3point shot and being a part of the last "Nellieball" is giving him too much.

When ya'll pessmists come in here citing the past it always cracks me up though... are we going to use the drought as the yardstick forever? "You guys are just hating on Nellie, remember without him we were in the drought".

The one brought on by the last Nellieball hurricane.

if you're trying to make the point that Mullin gets funny looks at HQs when he's surrounded by low basketball IQs like Rowell and Cohan... that doesn't fly with me.

name off the coaches, list off the draft disasters, do a write up on the horrible contracts handed out... all of this between 94 and 05. Did Cohan/Rowell pull the trigger - no. But they certainly stood at the helm and look like morons in retrospect.

Dunleavy/Murphy/Foyle/JRich and Fisher? those were all bad contracts, but none were historically bad, and the roster/franchise ended up in a place then when Musselhead was here

[FNQ]

But that's just using the old measuring stick again... if we're gonna compare Mullin to the old Twardzik / St. Jean regime, then yes, Mullin smells like roses. I dunno bout you, but I'd rather drink piss than eat ... but gun to my head, I'd rather do neither

Bottom line is that something happened around the middle of last season. That's when this all started.

The case for Mullin:

There isn't one really. He had a history of overspending on his own FAs and UFAs. Had a spotty draft history where he drafted by need every single time and only once (Beans) did it ever work out.

The case for Nellie:

When he showed up, good things started happening. However, unlike previous Nellie "rebuilds", there was no tanking. He was brought in to try and win games with scrubs on the bench - his forte. He probably had to greenlight the coming of Jackson - I can't imagine any franchise would drop that bomb w/o consulting the coach - but was he responsible for it? Probably not. Otherwise the team would have been tanking like the Mavs of old in order to get him that prized Chinese of his.

It's really hard, based on both people's history, to assume that either one is responsible for the turnaround. That doesn't instantly attribute the success to Rowell, however. But IMO it paints a clear picture that neither one is the one masterminding the Warrior's newfound financial responsibility.

[Subaculta]

But that's just using the old measuring stick again... if we're gonna compare Mullin to the old Twardzik / St. Jean regime, then yes, Mullin smells like roses. I dunno bout you, but I'd rather drink piss than eat ... but gun to my head, I'd rather do neither

I think that there were enough years of ending up with a win total in the teens (yikes), thats a second round playoff run followed by a 48-34 record is hardly like comparing piss and

[FNQ]

Thats the gimmick talking... for you to really accurately compare the win totals / talent level / playoff winning, you first have to accept that the gimmick Nellie plays will get us more regular season wins.. teams simply do not defend the fast break all the time in the regular season and most of them tighten up in the playoffs (the good ones, anyways).

And I do truly believe we are the worst 48 win team in the history of the league... I mean, you saw the season... we won that much because of clutchness and outstanding resiliency. Very little structure on any side of the ball... yes we won more, but did we play better? Not at all...



You're sharp and stubborn... I have little doubt that eventually you will be on our side based on the multiple conversations we've had tonight.

But I'm too damn tired to keep going.

[Subaculta]

Thats the gimmick talking... for you to really accurately compare the win totals / talent level / playoff winning, you first have to accept that the gimmick Nellie plays will get us more regular season wins.. teams simply do not defend the fast break all the time in the regular season and most of them tighten up in the playoffs (the good ones, anyways).

And I do truly believe we are the worst 48 win team in the history of the league... I mean, you saw the season... we won that much because of clutchness and outstanding resiliency. Very little structure on any side of the ball... yes we won more, but did we play better? Not at all...



You're sharp and stubborn... I have little doubt that eventually you will be on our side based on the multiple conversations we've had tonight.

But I'm too damn tired to keep going.

I'm somewhere in between... call me an independant

I do think we were a truly flawed team, and by the last week of the season I was a little relieved that (as much as I wanted to see them in there) we didn't make the playoffs.

On the other hand I'm a happier Warrior fan then I was 7 years ago, and that counts for something.

enjoyed the civil back and forth though, you know your stuff and I have no problem debating with smart, reasonable fans with differing views.

[Mylie10]

I'll tell you all what changed on the floor, it's real simple and it provides some explanation of the FO.

When Baron came back from injury he finally got to log significant time with SJax. The rest is history.

Getting SJax for Murphleavy was a great move by Mullin in many ways, he gets credit for that.

The record of Baron and Jax together ON THE FLOOR is impressive and amongst the best in basketball for the time frame.

Would love someone to take the time and look it up.

Add to that the emergence of Monta and that will explain all you need to know about the franchise.

Baron + Jax + Monta + ON THE FLOOR TOGETHER = Winning in GS.

Add to that a player of Brands caliber or at least Boozer (GOOD LUCK ON THAT) and we could be entered into the upper echelon of the NBA.

[Subaculta]

I'll tell you all what changed on the floor, it's real simple and it provides some explanation of the FO.

When Baron came back from injury he finally got to log significant time with SJax. The rest is history.

Getting SJax for Murphleavy was a great move by Mullin in many ways, he gets credit for that.

The record of Baron and Jax together ON THE FLOOR is impressive and amongst the best in basketball for the time frame.

Would love someone to take the time and look it up.

Add to that the emergence of Monta and that will explain all you need to know about the franchise.

Baron + Jax + Monta + ON THE FLOOR TOGETHER = Winning in GS.

Add to that a player of Brands caliber or at least Boozer (GOOD LUCK ON THAT) and we could be entered into the upper echelon of the NBA.

The truth is, Baron and Jax were an effective twosome to run this team... they were run into the ground.

I have a problem with Don Nelson, but it's not with his quote/unquote "gimmick" ball... my problem is that he couldn't figure out a way to get Wright/Belinelli and yes POB a few more mins a game in order to keep his starters rested.

how many times this past season did the Warriors build up a 10+ point lead (sometimes in the closing mins), and Nelson just wouldn't rest his horses - drove them right into the ground.