[Shams] Warriors/Thunder in Serious Talks for Oubre

[BW32]

On a related note, Fertitta is already taking shots at the Warriors for acquiring Oubre...

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-retweets-then-deletes-post-about-warriors-82400000-tax-bill/

Is it really going to cost us that much to add Oubre?

This somehow makes this trade better for me. F that guy.

[azwfan]

Well if we are beign intelectually dishonest then I'll make the argument any pick that's ever unprotected is an unprotected pick.

There is nothing you can do to guarantee you keep a top 4 protected pick trying to defend that garbage trade by saying it has protections is laughable.

So you admit youre being intellectually dishonest? Cause nobody defended the trade, they just said its not an unprotected pick. If you have a problem with the trade thats great, but misrepresenting the trade doesnt make your point stronger, it makes it weaker, cause then someone like me looks at your argument and thinks, “oh this dude doesnt even know what the trade was - disregard”

It literally is an unprotected pick in 2026.

Arguing that a top 4 protection is protection is absolutely dishonest, people that don't keep up with these thing read that and assume lotto, maybe even more. You are almost guaranteed to lose that pick, that is the point of protection that if you get hit with a bad hand atleast you don't have to pay what you owe right away in that regard top 4 does essentially nothing.

I cant tell if you know your wrong and trying to save face or really believe that a pick that has protections is unprotected. I mean you already called your own argument intellectually dishonest. Its not worth the time or energy I’d just suggest you be more specific in what your saying.

[Hopper15]

On a related note, Fertitta is already taking shots at the Warriors for acquiring Oubre...

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-retweets-then-deletes-post-about-warriors-82400000-tax-bill/

Is it really going to cost us that much to add Oubre?

Maybe Tillman wants to get into the action and add to Joe's tax bill.

We got a DPE for PJ Tucker right here Doucheface.

[InWestWeTrust]

So you admit youre being intellectually dishonest? Cause nobody defended the trade, they just said its not an unprotected pick. If you have a problem with the trade thats great, but misrepresenting the trade doesnt make your point stronger, it makes it weaker, cause then someone like me looks at your argument and thinks, “oh this dude doesnt even know what the trade was - disregard”

It literally is an unprotected pick in 2026.

Arguing that a top 4 protection is protection is absolutely dishonest, people that don't keep up with these thing read that and assume lotto, maybe even more. You are almost guaranteed to lose that pick, that is the point of protection that if you get hit with a bad hand atleast you don't have to pay what you owe right away in that regard top 4 does essentially nothing.

I cant tell if you know your wrong and trying to save face or really believe that a pick that has protections is unprotected. I mean you already called your own argument intellectually dishonest. Its not worth the time or energy I’d just suggest you be more specific in what your saying.

Take it to PM ladies, ruining my F5 vibes

[Chris Porter's Hair]

The real question should be why the F would you be upset about it.

He has no place in the rotation at this moment or even in the near future. You really think he'll crack the 5 (even 4?) rotation amongst Green, Pashcall, WISEMAN, Chriss, and Looney? I didn't think so; You can't possibly dispute this fact. Once he shown strides this offseason into his 2nd year ahead of even Wiseman in development, then we'll talk. Otherwise, back to what I was a saying earlier: SUCH A WASTE.

He's 19 years old and cost 2 2nd round picks and has shown enough to warrant it. What is the problem with that? Is the only issue a roster spot?

He turned 20 a few months ago, but yes. I'm rolling my eyes at all this outrage.

[ILOVEIT]

Keep in mind that this could be a first step in creating a package for Giannis....just put a pin on it. If the Warriors were to use the TPE in setting up the trade they would need to first acquire a player....then after a bit of time they could then combine that player with other assets plus future picks for Giannis. Just getting on the record in case it happens

[floppymoose]

It literally is an unprotected pick in 2026.

well ok. But that means we got a top3 in 2024 and the #1 pick in 2025. If that's the only scenario where we give up a 1st rounder in 2026 then I think I'll live.

[vvoland]

Keep in mind that this could be a first step in creating a package for Giannis....just put a pin on it. If the Warriors were to use the TPE in setting up the trade they would need to first acquire a player....then after a bit of time they could then combine that player with other assets plus future picks for Giannis. Just getting on the record in case it happens

THIS except this may be the last step

not sure about giannis but between now and the deadline, oubre & wiseman + minnesota pick is the best package any team can offer for a star that wants to leave. those stars may be :

giannis (prob not but bogdan just opted out and they're capped out)
harden (vomit in mouth)
beal (hmm)
embiid/simmons
devin booker (let's see how he and chris paul get along)
who am i missing?

we'll also be able to resign oubre and add to our suddenly growing young core (oubre, wiseman, wiggins, paschal). if oubre plays well and signs a reasonable deal (considering BPI and other problems that may arise, we'll see if he gets >$20m) he'll be a great asset for years. this really makes up for not getting josh richardson last night for fducking free. we still should have bought all those high 2nd round picks that were sold but this is a nice move. if we get bradley for the MLE to play a solid bench role... WE'RE BAACK!

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

He has no place in the rotation at this moment or even in the near future. You really think he'll crack the 5 (even 4?) rotation amongst Green, Pashcall, WISEMAN, Chriss, and Looney? I didn't think so; You can't possibly dispute this fact. Once he shown strides this offseason into his 2nd year ahead of even Wiseman in development, then we'll talk. Otherwise, back to what I was a saying earlier: SUCH A WASTE.

He's 19 years old and cost 2 2nd round picks and has shown enough to warrant it. What is the problem with that? Is the only issue a roster spot?

He turned 20 a few months ago, but yes. I'm rolling my eyes at all this outrage.

Not sure if you guys are getting it and ya'll didn't answer my question: Do guys really think he'll crack the 5 rotation at all (Barring any injuries)? Wiseman's 19, Looney's 24, Chriss' 23. Where are all those minutes at the 5 being allocated to? You guys guessed it -- those 3 guys.

Look, for us, I'm all for young, cheap contract players and their development, but all I'm saying is -- looking at how things are now -- there are no minutes going to Smiley (Unless he's proven to develop any elite skills.). I'm patient enough to see where he is in his progress given if we were in a rebuild mode, but we're not. And Curry and Co. would be more than welcome to have someone ready to contribute NOW.

[clyde21]

Which pick was that?

The Memphis 2024 1rst.

It's got protections.

light protections, and if it doesn't convey, no protections the following year.

it was a dumb **** trade just to "unload" Iggy, who ended up netting Memphis a + asset at the deadline.

Myers got taken to town on that trade.

[wupuck]

Keep in mind that this could be a first step in creating a package for Giannis....just put a pin on it. If the Warriors were to use the TPE in setting up the trade they would need to first acquire a player....then after a bit of time they could then combine that player with other assets plus future picks for Giannis. Just getting on the record in case it happens

THIS except this may be the last step

not sure about giannis but between now and the deadline, oubre & wiseman + minnesota pick is the best package any team can offer for a star that wants to leave. those stars may be :

giannis (prob not but bogdan just opted out and they're capped out)
harden (vomit in mouth)
beal (hmm)
embiid/simmons
devin booker (let's see how he and chris paul get along)
who am i missing?

we'll also be able to resign oubre and add to our suddenly growing young core (oubre, wiseman, wiggins, paschal). if oubre plays well and signs a reasonable deal (considering BPI and other problems that may arise, we'll see if he gets >$20m) he'll be a great asset for years. this really makes up for not getting josh richardson last night for fducking free. we still should have bought all those high 2nd round picks that were sold but this is a nice move. if we get bradley for the MLE to play a solid bench role... WE'RE BAACK!

Dubs won't have Oubre's Bird rights to exceed their cap for him next year unless he signs an impossibly generous MLE with them. The reason they can get him this year is BECAUSE of the TPE. They will have to pretty much let him walk next year, I'm not even sure they can do another S&T with him because I don't think they can get under the Hard cap again.

The bright side of picking up Oubre is because he will keep the team competitive and in the playoff hunt but if for whatever reason they fall off a cliff like they did last year, they could turn around and trade him to a contender and recoup the draft pick they (will likely) lose to acquire him.

Seriously though I hope they don't part w/ a pick in '21 or '22 to get him. I'd much rather part w/ a Paschal or Looney even though that would mean they gave them away for a 1 year rental because I believe they can do so much w/ more picks in next years draft (i.e. move up)

[SAKURABA216]

Dubs won't have Oubre's Bird rights to exceed their cap for him next year unless he signs an impossibly generous MLE with them. The reason they can get him this year is BECAUSE of the TPE. They will have to pretty much let him walk next year, I'm not even sure they can do another S&T with him because I don't think they can get under the Hard cap again.

The bright side of picking up Oubre is because he will keep the team competitive and in the playoff hunt but if for whatever reason they fall off a cliff like they did last year, they could turn around and trade him to a contender and recoup the draft pick they (will likely) lose to acquire him.

Seriously though I hope they don't part w/ a pick in '21 or '22 to get him. I'd much rather part w/ a Paschal or Looney even though that would mean they gave them away for a 1 year rental because I believe they can do so much w/ more picks in next years draft (i.e. move up)

No way, that sucks. I thought he would've been able to stick around longer than that. No wonder the Dubz never seriously considered trading the #2 pick to Phoenix for him.

I guess we can re-sign him at 120% of his salary up to 4 years under as a "non-qualifying free agent" so $17.4 mil for up to 4 years.

Non-Bird exception
"Non-qualifying free agents" (those who do not qualify under either the Larry Bird exception or the early Bird exception) are subject to the non-Bird exception. Under this exception, teams can re-sign a player to a contract beginning at either 120% of his salary for the previous season, or 120% of the league's minimum salary, whichever amount is higher. Contracts signed under the Non-Bird exception can last up to four years (down from six under the 2005 CBA).

[Hopper15]

Dubs won't have Oubre's Bird rights to exceed their cap for him next year

Not true.

Stopped reading after that. So can't vouch for the rest of it.

[Quazza]

So if it happens ....

Steph
Wiggins
Sexy Kelly
Draybeast
Wisemen

While I don't think it can TRULY contend for a title (unless Steph goes nuclear) we are all of a sudden huge and long. Should be a fun team

[whatisacenter]

Dubs won't have Oubre's Bird rights to exceed their cap for him next year

Not true.

Stopped reading after that. So can't vouch for the rest of it.

Yeah, I was under the impression that they would be able to resign him if they choose to pay the hefty price tag moving forward. I was just pouring over the TPE rules and did not see anything indicating they would not inherit his bird rights.

I know it was different scenario when the Warriors signed Boogie using the MLE.

[TinoDubs]

On a related note, Fertitta is already taking shots at the Warriors for acquiring Oubre...

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-retweets-then-deletes-post-about-warriors-82400000-tax-bill/

Is it really going to cost us that much to add Oubre?

Yes, because we are over the Cap.

[Scoots1994]

The Memphis 2024 1rst.

It's got protections.

light protections, and if it doesn't convey, no protections the following year.

it was a dumb **** trade just to "unload" Iggy, who ended up netting Memphis a + asset at the deadline.

Myers got taken to town on that trade.

It's what happens when you have to move NOW and everybody knows it. Iguodala and a #1 5 years in the future for Wiggins and next years Minny #1? It works for me.

[Scoots1994]

On a related note, Fertitta is already taking shots at the Warriors for acquiring Oubre...

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-retweets-then-deletes-post-about-warriors-82400000-tax-bill/

Is it really going to cost us that much to add Oubre?

Yes, because we are over the Cap.

Some of the numbers I've seen don't make sense to me. The Warriors reset the tax repeat so it shouldn't be as big as they are saying it seems to me.

[Little Digger]

1 shooter on the team

[a8bil]

On a related note, Fertitta is already taking shots at the Warriors for acquiring Oubre...

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-retweets-then-deletes-post-about-warriors-82400000-tax-bill/

Is it really going to cost us that much to add Oubre?

Owners who are willing to go deep into tax to field a winning team is a badge of honor, not shame. Top players around the league take notice of moves like that and they're going to want to come play for Lacob instead of cheap ass penny-pinching owners like Fertitta.

I dunno...I think Fertitta is just showing his butt hurt from having his multiple efforts at unseating GSW fail, then followed by this pandemic which must be crushing his businesses (hotels, restaurants, casinos). He funded some pretty interesting teams that ultimately showed fans why an all star team of Harden and Paul, or Harden and Westbrook is not a winning combination, no matter what the stats say.