2021 Draft Thread

[Onus]

what are everyones thoughts on Isaiah Jackson?

Feels like he's getting slept on a bit due to Kentucky being such a disaster, but he's got serious potential as a Claxton/Noel type of shot blocker that is mobile enough to switch when needed. Obviously he's got no bulk and will get bullied by the top centers, but could be a great "center by committee" candidate.

There's some intrigue but I just can't see us taking another project center with Wiseman on the team.

[TB]

what are everyones thoughts on Isaiah Jackson?

Feels like he's getting slept on a bit due to Kentucky being such a disaster, but he's got serious potential as a Claxton/Noel type of shot blocker that is mobile enough to switch when needed. Obviously he's got no bulk and will get bullied by the top centers, but could be a great "center by committee" candidate.

There's some intrigue but I just can't see us taking another project center with Wiseman on the team.

Agreed. I like Sengun and Jackson as different types of center options if Wiseman gets packaged with the minny pick in a deal.

I'd probably still take them 14 if they were by far my BPA, and worry about it later. But totally agree that they aren't as needed if we have Wiseman and Loon on the roster. Even if I think Sengun is the best fit for our offense.

[ChuckDurn]

My (backup) dream scenario (assuming the Warriors don't get #1 or #4) with the Warriors at #6 and #14 I'd go Moody and Giddey and the "young" unit is:

Poole
Moody
Giddey
JTA/Paschall
Wiseman

I'd like for us to go for Moody too, but what's Justinian Jessup's status? Is he or will he be on a two-way contract?

We'd have too many SGs: Thompson, Poole, Lee, Mulder, Jessup, and possibly Moody?

That #6 pick is tough ... I'm projecting Mulder to be gone, Jessup likely on a 2-way or another year in Oz, and Lee on the bubble.

To me Poole is a combo guard not a 2 like Moody, and Klay isn't getting younger. I would rather get a wing bigger than Moody that can play 2/3/4 and be a good shooter/offensive player but right there in the draft that's a hard combo to find (assuming Kuminga and Cade are gone), and that with the #14 there are lesser players that do fit that size/skill target.

Rookie 4s and 5s seldom contribute in a big way to winning as rookies and wings and guards taken in the first half of the first round do a lot more often so it's better to go that way for the tail end of the vets prime.

I agree with pretty much all of this (despite our disagreement on another thread), with a couple of minor nuances.

I suspect Lee will be gone entirely (along with Mulder), and that Jessup will end up here (at least on a 2-way) rather than in Australia. But those are just subtle extrapolations of what you’ve noted.

I like Moody, and think he would be a good fit. This said - I’m getting strong vibes that Barnes will be taken in the top-6, and potentially even leap over Kuminga into the top-5. I think that because of the looming presence of (non-shooting) Draymond, and potentially other non-shooters such as Looney, Barnes isn’t a good fit on our roster. But if he’s there on the board at 6 (assuming the top-5 go as predicted), it’s going to be a tough decision for the Warriors as to whether to take him or to trade down a little bit to grab somebody like Moody.

I like Moody, and think he would fit well. He’s a pretty pure 3-and-D guy who plays pretty smart, and would fit our system. But I think he might be a BIT of a poor value at 6. If the more likely scenario of the Warriors ending up at 7 or 8 occurs, and Cade/Mobley/Suggs/Green/Kuminga/Barnes are all gone, I think I’d be fine with taking Moody there.

[FNQ]

what are everyones thoughts on Isaiah Jackson?

Feels like he's getting slept on a bit due to Kentucky being such a disaster, but he's got serious potential as a Claxton/Noel type of shot blocker that is mobile enough to switch when needed. Obviously he's got no bulk and will get bullied by the top centers, but could be a great "center by committee" candidate.

Felt very Boucher-like, which I love (would absolutely trade the 14 for Boucher straight up to give you an idea) but Boucher took a while to come around, and I feel like Jackson is on the same boat

[Onus]

what are everyones thoughts on Isaiah Jackson?

Feels like he's getting slept on a bit due to Kentucky being such a disaster, but he's got serious potential as a Claxton/Noel type of shot blocker that is mobile enough to switch when needed. Obviously he's got no bulk and will get bullied by the top centers, but could be a great "center by committee" candidate.

There's some intrigue but I just can't see us taking another project center with Wiseman on the team.

Agreed. I like Sengun and Jackson as different types of center options if Wiseman gets packaged with the minny pick in a deal.

I'd probably still take them 14 if they were by far my BPA, and worry about it later. But totally agree that they aren't as needed if we have Wiseman and Loon on the roster. Even if I think Sengun is the best fit for our offense.

I'm not sure where I'm at with Sengun yet but I'm not sure he might not be 5 for me

[whatisacenter]

what are everyones thoughts on Isaiah Jackson?

Feels like he's getting slept on a bit due to Kentucky being such a disaster, but he's got serious potential as a Claxton/Noel type of shot blocker that is mobile enough to switch when needed. Obviously he's got no bulk and will get bullied by the top centers, but could be a great "center by committee" candidate.

Felt very Boucher-like, which I love (would absolutely trade the 14 for Boucher straight up to give you an idea) but Boucher took a while to come around, and I feel like Jackson is on the same boat

I looked at Jackson and Kai Jones and came away liking Kai better. I should go back and look at Jackson again.

[TB]

I havent seen any of Kai, but will take a look. Got scared off by his rebounds/block numbers for a big.

[FNQ]

I havent seen any of Kai, but will take a look. Got scared off by his rebounds/block numbers for a big.

Dont even consider him a real big. You have to have a good rebounding team to use him, or an elite offensive team. We could use him I'm pretty sure, but there's some high bust potential.

But frankly I think his defense could come around. He's not slow physically, he just was obviously thinking a lot on rotations. So he's a project for sure. But if you get him in the 14 range instead of the top 3, I dont mind drafting a C that's obviously raw

[Onus]

Kai is so raw. I can’t imagine us drafting anyone that is such a huge project.

[whatisacenter]

I havent seen any of Kai, but will take a look. Got scared off by his rebounds/block numbers for a big.

Dont even consider him a real big. You have to have a good rebounding team to use him, or an elite offensive team. We could use him I'm pretty sure, but there's some high bust potential.

But frankly I think his defense could come around. He's not slow physically, he just was obviously thinking a lot on rotations. So he's a project for sure. But if you get him in the 14 range instead of the top 3, I dont mind drafting a C that's obviously raw

yeah, I was looking at Kai before the Warriors popped up to 14 from 17. At 14 I would probably lean towards Jaden Springer and Josh Giddey, I wouldn't even consider Kai in the top 10. I do like his upside with his freakish length and quickness mixed with his ability move his feet. He has some handle and the ability to face the basket out to the 3.

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[TB]

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This kid is special. Athleticism and length are my only concerns, but I think there are enough slow movers in the NBA to prove that high IQ, skill, passion can overcome being a step behind athletically.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

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This kid is special. Athleticism and length are my only concerns, but I think there are enough slow movers in the NBA to prove that high IQ, skill, passion can overcome being a step behind athletically.

I mentioned in a post a couple back, but I'd take a look at Filip Petrusev. 6'11" PF/C (Most likely a stretch 5 when he enters the league). He's no athletic freak, but athletic enough to go above the rim for dunks and tough layups (More than Sengun). I'd say he's a more athletic version of Enes Kanter, equipped with some nifty/clever low-post player. Also, an evolving perimeter game/3 pointer -- Something Sengun doesn't have right now as he's an undersized C. Sengun might have a more advanced low-post game (Something we can use), but I just like how Petrusev can be plugged into the system and play to his strengths rather than having the ball in his hands 70% or more of the time.

Played a lil' bit with Gonzaga this past tournament, but went on to play in two international leagues in Europe and balled out, and won league MVP in the ABA league. Either Sengun or Petrusev for me, but I'm loving what Petrusev can do already and can only get better if placed in the right situation.

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I really just want them to admit Smiley was an accident/mistake and move on from the project, lol.

[TB]

Filip looks really impressive also. Nice to see he had success in both NCAA and the ABA. Kind of funny how Kispert is considered a top 10 pick when as a Junior, the Sophmore Filip was clearly gonzaga's best player. Was also better than Tillie who was older and now in the league.

Definitely a sleeper based on the mocks so far.

[Scoots1994]

I'd like for us to go for Moody too, but what's Justinian Jessup's status? Is he or will he be on a two-way contract?

We'd have too many SGs: Thompson, Poole, Lee, Mulder, Jessup, and possibly Moody?

That #6 pick is tough ... I'm projecting Mulder to be gone, Jessup likely on a 2-way or another year in Oz, and Lee on the bubble.

To me Poole is a combo guard not a 2 like Moody, and Klay isn't getting younger. I would rather get a wing bigger than Moody that can play 2/3/4 and be a good shooter/offensive player but right there in the draft that's a hard combo to find (assuming Kuminga and Cade are gone), and that with the #14 there are lesser players that do fit that size/skill target.

Rookie 4s and 5s seldom contribute in a big way to winning as rookies and wings and guards taken in the first half of the first round do a lot more often so it's better to go that way for the tail end of the vets prime.

I agree with pretty much all of this (despite our disagreement on another thread), with a couple of minor nuances.

I suspect Lee will be gone entirely (along with Mulder), and that Jessup will end up here (at least on a 2-way) rather than in Australia. But those are just subtle extrapolations of what you’ve noted.

I like Moody, and think he would be a good fit. This said - I’m getting strong vibes that Barnes will be taken in the top-6, and potentially even leap over Kuminga into the top-5. I think that because of the looming presence of (non-shooting) Draymond, and potentially other non-shooters such as Looney, Barnes isn’t a good fit on our roster. But if he’s there on the board at 6 (assuming the top-5 go as predicted), it’s going to be a tough decision for the Warriors as to whether to take him or to trade down a little bit to grab somebody like Moody.

I like Moody, and think he would fit well. He’s a pretty pure 3-and-D guy who plays pretty smart, and would fit our system. But I think he might be a BIT of a poor value at 6. If the more likely scenario of the Warriors ending up at 7 or 8 occurs, and Cade/Mobley/Suggs/Green/Kuminga/Barnes are all gone, I think I’d be fine with taking Moody there.

The only advantage to Lee is that we know him and he knows the system ... he also has a contract. Jessup on a 2-way makes sense only if they think he's ready to play in the NBA (I hope he is).

If the Warriors are at 6 and Kuminga is on the board that's an instant pick for me, not that I love him that much, some see him as part of a top 5 in this draft but he's closer to 6 than 4 for me. But he fits the Warriors a little better than Barnes. That said, if Barnes comes in and shows significant improvement in his shot I can easily see them going with him since he checks so many other boxes.

[Onus]

There's some intrigue but I just can't see us taking another project center with Wiseman on the team.

Agreed. I like Sengun and Jackson as different types of center options if Wiseman gets packaged with the minny pick in a deal.

I'd probably still take them 14 if they were by far my BPA, and worry about it later. But totally agree that they aren't as needed if we have Wiseman and Loon on the roster. Even if I think Sengun is the best fit for our offense.

I'm not sure where I'm at with Sengun yet but I'm not sure he might not be 5 for me

Let me clarify I think I might have him over Suggs and kuminga

[GswStorm3]

I really want Giddey. That kind of playmaking is desperately what we need with the second unit.

Agreed.

[TB]

Agreed. I like Sengun and Jackson as different types of center options if Wiseman gets packaged with the minny pick in a deal.

I'd probably still take them 14 if they were by far my BPA, and worry about it later. But totally agree that they aren't as needed if we have Wiseman and Loon on the roster. Even if I think Sengun is the best fit for our offense.

I'm not sure where I'm at with Sengun yet but I'm not sure he might not be 5 for me

Let me clarify I think I might have him over Suggs and kuminga

Right there with ya. He has solidified the 6th spot for me now, and thats mainly because the top 5 is just so incredibly good this year. I want to hop above Kuminga, but he's got serious potential at being a Tatum type of player. Every once in a while I wonder if I'm sleeping on Kuminga when his upside might be higher than anyone in the draft...

[Onus]

I'm not sure where I'm at with Sengun yet but I'm not sure he might not be 5 for me

Let me clarify I think I might have him over Suggs and kuminga

Right there with ya. He has solidified the 6th spot for me now, and thats mainly because the top 5 is just so incredibly good this year. I want to hop above Kuminga, but he's got serious potential at being a Tatum type of player. Every once in a while I wonder if I'm sleeping on Kuminga when his upside might be higher than anyone in the draft...

Kuminga is pretty far behind Tatum as a polished scorer at the same age though he did start basketball at a later stage in life. He seems much more like a Jaylen brown to me where he has the athleticism and tools but will need to polish his skills. It may take him longer to become an all star type player but he definitely has that type of potential.

I’m not sure what type of ceiling sengun has as of right now. Is it jokic, love, cousins, sabonis or valanciunas?

[GSWFan1994]

Kuminga is pretty far behind Tatum as a polished scorer at the same age though he did start basketball at a later stage in life. He seems much more like a Jaylen brown to me where he has the athleticism and tools but will need to polish his skills. It may take him longer to become an all star type player but he definitely has that type of potential.

I’m not sure what type of ceiling sengun has as of right now. Is it jokic, love, cousins, sabonis or valanciunas?

For me, the most similar player who you can compare to Sengun is a younger, smaller Pau Gasol.

[Scoots1994]

Let me clarify I think I might have him over Suggs and kuminga

Right there with ya. He has solidified the 6th spot for me now, and thats mainly because the top 5 is just so incredibly good this year. I want to hop above Kuminga, but he's got serious potential at being a Tatum type of player. Every once in a while I wonder if I'm sleeping on Kuminga when his upside might be higher than anyone in the draft...

Kuminga is pretty far behind Tatum as a polished scorer at the same age though he did start basketball at a later stage in life. He seems much more like a Jaylen brown to me where he has the athleticism and tools but will need to polish his skills. It may take him longer to become an all star type player but he definitely has that type of potential.

I’m not sure what type of ceiling sengun has as of right now. Is it jokic, love, cousins, sabonis or valanciunas?

Agreed on Kuminga. Watching Kuminga play just made me appreciate Green more. Loads of potential sure but he's not "there" yet.