Dennis the Menace

[Onus]

Why is no one talking about the lack of length of a Schroder/Curry backcourt?

Because Schroeder has a 6’8” wingspan. Lack of height sure but not lack of length.

[WarriorGM]

It shouldn't be surprising if we see Schroder used in different ways the first few games as the coaching staff tries to assess what to do with him. What would be annoying is if he is glued from the start to one role that doesn't make sense and isn't working or is underwhelming.

[Twinkie defense]

Why is no one talking about the lack of length of a Schroder/Curry backcourt?

Because it doesn't matter that much anymore, it's a smallball League.

[Crazy-Canuck]

It shouldn't be surprising if we see Schroder used in different ways the first few games as the coaching staff tries to assess what to do with him. What would be annoying is if he is glued from the start to one role that doesn't make sense and isn't working or is underwhelming.

The rotations will get settled once the team figures out who jk is because that's their priority right now.

Jk as the 4? Jk as a wing? Jk as a starter? Jk off the bench? That's the first domino that needs to fall. This team badly needs some consistency.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Digging into more offense.

Schroeder averages almost 15 paint attacks per game, but not the best finisher. What it does though is that it opens the drive and kick game. Much like in Brooklyn, we will need to pair him with some shooters.

Spot up shooting stats: ranked by volume

Dray 3.9 poss 1.06 ppp 54.9 percentile rank
Jk 3.2 poss 1.06 ppp 53.9
Wiggs 3.1 poss 1.35 ppp 92.2
Steph 2.9 poss 1.14 ppp 69.2
Buddy 2.4 poss 1.02 ppp 49.8

Wiggs is one of the best spot up shooters in the league this year (top 10 w/min 3 posssessions) and along with steph, would give Schroeder some open kick out options. Wiggs and steph is an upgrade to what he had on the nets (yes, they are shooting better than cam johnson).

Buddy has been surprisingly bad in spot up situations.

[Mac1958]

Jk as the 4? Jk as a wing? Jk as a starter? Jk off the bench? That's the first domino that needs to fall. This team badly needs some consistency.

Yeah.

I could easily be reading this situation wrong, but it sure does seem like we can't figure out what to do with Kuminga, and that's throwing EVERYTHING off.

The team has to either commit to him or move him. If they're going to commit to him, it will cost them, and they'll have to add pieces around his weaknesses.

[Onus]

Digging into more offense.

Schroeder averages almost 15 paint attacks per game, but not the best finisher. What it does though is that it opens the drive and kick game. Much like in Brooklyn, we will need to pair him with some shooters.

Spot up shooting stats: ranked by volume

Dray 3.9 poss 1.06 ppp 54.9 percentile rank
Jk 3.2 poss 1.06 ppp 53.9
Wiggs 3.1 poss 1.35 ppp 92.2
Steph 2.9 poss 1.14 ppp 69.2
Buddy 2.4 poss 1.02 ppp 49.8

Wiggs is one of the best spot up shooters in the league this year (top 10 w/min 3 posssessions) and along with steph, would give Schroeder some open kick out options. Wiggs and steph is an upgrade to what he had on the nets (yes, they are shooting better than cam johnson).

Buddy has been surprisingly bad in spot up situations.

The difference is that the nets were playing 5 out or at the very least 4 out. Here were playing 3 out which means the paint is crowded. This is the reason we’re the worst finishing team in the league.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Digging into more offense.

Schroeder averages almost 15 paint attacks per game, but not the best finisher. What it does though is that it opens the drive and kick game. Much like in Brooklyn, we will need to pair him with some shooters.

Spot up shooting stats: ranked by volume

Dray 3.9 poss 1.06 ppp 54.9 percentile rank
Jk 3.2 poss 1.06 ppp 53.9
Wiggs 3.1 poss 1.35 ppp 92.2
Steph 2.9 poss 1.14 ppp 69.2
Buddy 2.4 poss 1.02 ppp 49.8

Wiggs is one of the best spot up shooters in the league this year (top 10 w/min 3 posssessions) and along with steph, would give Schroeder some open kick out options. Wiggs and steph is an upgrade to what he had on the nets (yes, they are shooting better than cam johnson).

Buddy has been surprisingly bad in spot up situations.

The difference is that the nets were playing 5 out or at the very least 4 out. Here were playing 3 out which means the paint is crowded. This is the reason we’re the worst finishing team in the league.

We can go 5 out if kerr decides to.

Steph, Schroeder, heild, wiggs, and dray. That's better shooting than most of the league. Not many teams can throw out 5 guys shooting near 40% from 3 w/4 of those guys at good volume. Dray is at almost 40% at 4 attempts.

This is our death line up, I dont think any other version is close. With Schroeder, wiggs, and dray, we might be able to defend too. Defend, play with pace, and can shoot. I want to see it.

[Onus]

Digging into more offense.

Schroeder averages almost 15 paint attacks per game, but not the best finisher. What it does though is that it opens the drive and kick game. Much like in Brooklyn, we will need to pair him with some shooters.

Spot up shooting stats: ranked by volume

Dray 3.9 poss 1.06 ppp 54.9 percentile rank
Jk 3.2 poss 1.06 ppp 53.9
Wiggs 3.1 poss 1.35 ppp 92.2
Steph 2.9 poss 1.14 ppp 69.2
Buddy 2.4 poss 1.02 ppp 49.8

Wiggs is one of the best spot up shooters in the league this year (top 10 w/min 3 posssessions) and along with steph, would give Schroeder some open kick out options. Wiggs and steph is an upgrade to what he had on the nets (yes, they are shooting better than cam johnson).

Buddy has been surprisingly bad in spot up situations.

The difference is that the nets were playing 5 out or at the very least 4 out. Here were playing 3 out which means the paint is crowded. This is the reason we’re the worst finishing team in the league.

We can go 5 out if kerr decides to.

Steph, Schroeder, heild, wiggs, and dray. That's better shooting than most of the league. Not many teams can throw out 5 guys shooting near 40% from 3 w/4 of those guys at good volume. Dray is at almost 40% at 4 attempts.

This is our death line up, I dont think any other version is close. With Schroeder, wiggs, and dray, we might be able to defend too. Defend, play with pace, and can shoot. I want to see it.

Will Kerr actually play that lineup though? I kind of doubt it. We know Hield isn't a set closer. It could be JK, Looney, GP2, Waters as well. If Kerr actually plays Waters or Hield in that 5th spot we'll be good

[Crazy-Canuck]

The difference is that the nets were playing 5 out or at the very least 4 out. Here were playing 3 out which means the paint is crowded. This is the reason we’re the worst finishing team in the league.

We can go 5 out if kerr decides to.

Steph, Schroeder, heild, wiggs, and dray. That's better shooting than most of the league. Not many teams can throw out 5 guys shooting near 40% from 3 w/4 of those guys at good volume. Dray is at almost 40% at 4 attempts.

This is our death line up, I dont think any other version is close. With Schroeder, wiggs, and dray, we might be able to defend too. Defend, play with pace, and can shoot. I want to see it.

Will Kerr actually play that lineup though? I kind of doubt it. We know Hield isn't a set closer. It could be JK, Looney, GP2, Waters as well. If Kerr actually plays Waters or Hield in that 5th spot we'll be good

Like I mentioned in another thread, with jk as the priority, I think kerr will keep playing with rotations to maximize jk until he finds out whether its worth it or not. We just need to hope it's sooner rather than later. Its like Kerr is playing a game of chicken with lacob.

[Onus]

We can go 5 out if kerr decides to.

Steph, Schroeder, heild, wiggs, and dray. That's better shooting than most of the league. Not many teams can throw out 5 guys shooting near 40% from 3 w/4 of those guys at good volume. Dray is at almost 40% at 4 attempts.

This is our death line up, I dont think any other version is close. With Schroeder, wiggs, and dray, we might be able to defend too. Defend, play with pace, and can shoot. I want to see it.

Will Kerr actually play that lineup though? I kind of doubt it. We know Hield isn't a set closer. It could be JK, Looney, GP2, Waters as well. If Kerr actually plays Waters or Hield in that 5th spot we'll be good

Like I mentioned in another thread, with jk as the priority, I think kerr will keep playing with rotations to maximize jk until he finds out whether its worth it or not. We just need to hope it's sooner rather than later. Its like Kerr is playing a game of chicken with lacob.

Yup JK is the priority which is funny because they keep saying Steph is the priority in the media, but when they do the lineups it's JK. Excited for tonight's game to see how we feature JK.

[SpreeS]

I had huge doubts about Schroder fitting into Kerr system. And its not about pairing with Curry thing. He is huge negative with Curry or w/o him. Its like Lebron/Westbrook union, which was clearly detrimental to fail.

So Kerr doesn’t have understanding who will fit into his system and who won’t. In 10 years of coaching you need to take lessons from Wiseman/Oubre/Cousins/D-Lo/Paul and how your sistem works with other “types” of players.

By my understanding, Kerr should block these types of trades, b/c it’s hurting his system and team. He has no glue how incorporate other players, who can’t move ball properly.

[Onus]

Really it seems like Dennis was brought in as a stealth tank commander. Why did we trade 2nds to tank?!? Just brilliant

[jozef]

In this thread there were 21 optimists loving the trade and 3 us pessimists hating it.

[Crazy-Canuck]

How useful would dray be if we used him like klay?

That's what's happening with shroeder. He's getting shoved into a role that he can't play. It's clear as day to anyone with a brain.

[Anderson Hunt]

Schroeder was never a good fit next to Curry.

I mentioned in this thread that Schroeder is too short to play next to Curry. Someone replied that he had long arms which is true.

The elephant in the room is that whichever point guard plays next to Curry must be defensive and must be able to effectively guard large two-guards.

Schroeder is a defensive guard, but he's a good defender of point guards. He's good a picking guys up full court. This is where his mojo lies, not in guarding Devin Booker or even Klau Thompson.

It's a bad fit, also, because the defensive guard that needs to play alongside Curry needs to be able to defend big guards, but he also needs to be able to run an offense (Schroeder can) and contribute off-ball as a rebounder, slasher, and/or shooter. Schroeder doesn't do any of that.

People flame me for this, but I've been saying for two years now that Markelle Fultz is the perfect backcourt foil to Curry.

If Markelle Fultz were to start alongside Curry in a third option role, he'd average 16 a game on solid efficiency with great defense.

Can he shoot the three? No, he can't, but neither could Shaun Livingston, and that's what you hope Fultz could become -- a souped-up version of Livingston.

Matter of fact I'd consider bringing in Livingston to coach up Fultz and teach him the ins and outs of how to be effective in Kerr's system as a guard who doesn't possess a deep-ball.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I dont think I've ever seen a trade go bad so quickly.

[SpreeS]

I dont think I've ever seen a trade go bad so quickly.

Is it surprising for you? Knowing Kerr and Schroder playing style, it was so obvious.

[cpower]

base on BPM Schroder is the worst starter in the NBA at -7.5 BPM
his on off has been crazy bad too -15.9 net rating...geez

[Jester_]

base on BPM Schroder is the worst starter in the NBA at -7.5 BPM
his on off has been crazy bad too -15.9 net rating...geez

only an idiot would think playing shroeder next to curry is a good idea

unfortunately that idiot is our "hall of fame" coach