The Rebuild Thread

[wco81]

These lineup and Fire Kerr threads, as if optimizing lineups would make a huge difference, rather than admitting the roster is weak.

EVERY team forum has threads complaining about their coach not using the best lineups.

Lineups don't matter when players who were making shots in the first dozen games are no longer making them.

Teams have scouted what the Warriors were doing at the beginning of the season and have taken those away.

So using data which includes those first dozen or so games to argue for different lineups is pointless.

The league has adapted to Warriors personnel. JK for instance is way down on 2P% compared to last year because he's not getting mismatches as often inside the paint. Teams were leaving Buddy open now they're not, instead leaving Podz open.

Problem is lack of talent, especially longer wings who can shoot and defend, including maybe create shots when the shot clock is winding down.

Instead of wide open looks the players who can actually shoot are getting contested and rarely get clean looks now.

Time to admit it's over. Apparently Curry isn't playing tonight, probably a tacit admission of reality.

If the Warriors drop into the 5-8 range for lottery odds -- they're #13 now and dropping -- before the trade deadline, time to go all-in on the tank, trade away good players.

[CDM_Stats]

There are literally 30pt/100poss gaps in very easy changes... lineups dont matter and using data is pointless

The Warriors played the easiest teams to start the season and now they're playing some of the toughest... the league has adjusted

JK isn't getting mismatches in the paint anymore.. he's there against SFs or below at a higher rate than last year and has a lower contested shot rate

Teams were leaving Buddy open.. except they werent, unless you count the first 3 games of the year, where we played terrible teams. He gets open with Steph and doesnt without him

2024, coming on 2025, after literal decades of stats and analytics being right time after time after time... and still the argument is 'nuh-uh, let me make some things up to justify why nuh-uh'

give it a rest

[wco81]

If it were only as simple as getting Sloan Analytics Conference attendees to set lineups ...

Let's hire some nerd who's never played beyond high school, if that, to be the coach then.

How many titles has teams built by Morey won?

[CDM_Stats]

Each team just throwing millions and millions at a department that is pointless.. someone ought to tell them

[wco81]

Yeah I'm sure optimizing the lineups which have the best net ratings or whatever metric will get this team to a title.



That's all teams have to do, always maximize their best lineups and then profit!

[watch1958]

If it were only as simple as getting Sloan Analytics Conference attendees to set lineups ...

Let's hire some nerd who's never played beyond high school, if that, to be the coach then.

How many titles has teams built by Morey won?

The problem with Kerr is that he may be an HOF coach, but he’s not a real coaching guy.

He played for great coaches, but he never coached himself. He’s never built a program, much less rebuilt one. He’s never rolled over a roster, had to adapt to integrate new guys.

I don’t know how many times he’s even played on a bad or rebuilding team.

So to me, the fact that he was the right guy to tweak a unique roster into champions doesn’t mean he had any skil, talent or experience for a team like this.

[CDM_Stats]

Changed tunes really quick from "this wont matter" and "its pointless" to 'oh yeah, it wont win a title'

Stick to making up stats that aren't true... leave analytics out of it. They at least tell the truth

[wco81]

There's no change of tunes. Every team is trying to win it all.

If tweaking lineups won't turn the Warriors from a team which has been well below .500 into a championship contender what is the point?

Optimizing lineups may not even get the team above a play in.

[KevinMcreynolds]

It’s time

Trade Steph for a gazillion picks, trade Dray for a bag of balls, tell Kerr to pound sand, and get rid of everyone else too except maybe Podz and TJD

Hello darkness my old friend

[Twinkie defense]

What we have here is a lack of talent. Draft picks have come up mostly empty since Steph, Dray, and Klay were drafted. Might as well send out all those future picks to get some proven talent if you can't get franchise player in the draft anymore.

[floppymoose]

From 1st to 11th in the west. Start the youth movement!

[floppymoose]

Maybe ATL would like an upgrade? They are in the home court hunt in the east.

Wiggins for
Bogdan, Zeller, and the LAL 2025 draft pick

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8823410

[floppymoose]

Crickets?

Its time. I dont care about getting Steph a second round playoff exit.

[superunknown]

Crickets?

Its time. I dont care about getting Steph a second round playoff exit.

yes, it's time to trade everyone except steph.
starting with the youngsters. they are utter shite. there is no future whatsoever with (any of) them.

[CDM_Stats]

I think Wiggins should be worth more than the most recent proposed deal but I'm at the point where sure, put him on the block in a rebuild offer.. there's very little to believe in that Kerr will get more out of the roster than he is now

A real bummer because ideally he could coax some minor value out of Hield/SloMo, but likely wont get anything now that SloMo was out of the rotation recently and that putting Hield on the court as the best perimeter threat is why his value was already super low in the first place

[floppymoose]

GSW owns all their future firsts except 2030. And they probably get to keep 2030… its 1-20 protected.

They are in a good position to start adding in a couple more firsts via trades and get a nice rebuild going.

[Crazy-Canuck]

GSW owns all their future firsts except 2030. And they probably get to keep 2030… its 1-20 protected.

They are in a good position to start adding in a couple more firsts via trades and get a nice rebuild going.

Outside of steph, I'm not sure who gets a 1st in return.

Maybe a well protected first for jk?
Maybe podz?
Just saw a trase post with Wiggins being worse than ty jerome.
Can't see anyone wanting dray.

[DonaldSanders]

I wonder if there is any version of a Lavine/2xfiller for Wiggins/Schroder/filler trade where we net a lightly protected 1st? As much as I do like Wiggins, you'd get someone who can beat their man off the dribble & hit 3s while netting an asset.

[whatisacenter]

I wonder if there is any version of a Lavine/2xfiller for Wiggins/Schroder/filler trade where we net a lightly protected 1st? As much as I do like Wiggins, you'd get someone who can beat their man off the dribble & hit 3s while netting an asset.

Lavine is having a bounce back season and has been healthy all year. I can't see the bulls adding a pick in a deal that moves him.

[SpreeS]

Pipe dream

Green/Schroder/Waiters for Lavine

Looney/Davis
Kuminga/Anderson
Wiggs/Moody/GP2
Lavine/Hield
Curry/Podz

It open place to Looney to start and this team way more balanced